OH Pike Co., 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue, 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested #59

[Caylee Advocate]

This issue keeps appearing and we are all trying to keep up with the correct information.

What specific people do you think have a court ordered gag order?

The Wagner 4 and their attorneys, all LE and investigators involved in these cases as well as DeWine. Jakes attorneys along with Rob Junk asked for and were granted a gag order by Judge Deering.


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"Then, his court-appointed attorneys, Wagner William Moody and Gregory Myers, and Pike County Prosecutor Rob Junk requested and received a gag order in the case.

"It bars everyone involved in the case, including law enforcement and attorneys, from speaking to the media."

‘Not Guilty’ plea, gag order in first Wagner court appearance for execution-style murders
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LM, et al were under a gag order in reference to the minor great grandchildren SW and baby K.


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'Leonard Manley said a court gag order limits what he can share about his great-grandchildren."

"I can tell you they're growing like weeds, and we get to see them," he said. "That's all I can tell you."

https://www.wcpo.com/news/local-new...acre-update-heres-what-we-know-one-year-later

 

[Betty P]

We haven't seen/hear how far out the blood spatter was nearest that front door. IMO, if CSR was shot right at the front door BJM would've seen it right off and been alerted, but was not until she entered. Perhaps they forced their way further into the trailer once CSR opened the door. ???

As I recall from the release of the preliminary autopsy reports, Chris, Sr. was shot through a door and that he was the only victim who "saw the killers coming". From all that's publicly known, he would have been shot while inside the home, so blood would only be inside.

https://www.wcpo.com/news/state/sta...reporters-to-inspect-slain-family-s-autopsies

Although officials had said all the victims were shot in their sleep, the way his head was tilted indicates that Christopher Rhoden Sr. was shot through a door. He also may have been shot first as his body was the most decomposed when it was discovered by the coroner's office.

Three years after killings, Rhoden murder case works way through court

Chris Sr. and Gary were found in Chris’ trailer on Union Hill Road. They were the only two not shot while in their beds, and authorities have said the killers dragged their bodies through the house. Chris had been shot at least once through a door, scene evidence and wood fragments on his body found during an autopsy showed. He also had been shot more than any other victim: nine times.

It sounded like BJM saw the bloody mess as soon as she opened the door. "There's blood all over the place!" from the 911 call.

What a nightmare that must have been for her - having to go to two different crime scenes that day, the second to rescue Frankie's children. Then she was immediately cuffed and taken to be questioned by LE who accused her of murdering her family. Poor woman.

 

[Cool Cats]

We haven't seen/hear how far out the blood spatter was nearest that front door. IMO, if CSR was shot right at the front door BJM would've seen it right off and been alerted, but was not until she entered. Perhaps they forced their way further into the trailer once CSR opened the door. ???

It's a quote from my post, it was my opinion that Chris saw them coming and opened the door while they were walking up onto his porch, and then they started shooting because why else would casings be on the porch?

I don't think Chris was on the porch, only just in the doorway. Your right, had Chris been shot right on the porch there would be blood.

And when they were shooting the door was open, that indicates Chris opened the door, otherwise BJM would have seen bullet holes in the door.

Just my take on it only. It would be interesting to hear different opinions.

 

[Betty P]

It's a quote from my post, it was my opinion that Chris saw them coming and opened the door while they were walking up onto his porch, and then they started shooting because why else would casings be on the porch?

I don't think Chris was on the porch, only just in the doorway. Your right, had Chris been shot right on the porch there would be blood.

And when they were shooting the door was open, that indicates Chris opened the door, otherwise BJM would have seen bullet holes in the door.

Just my take on it only. It would be interesting to hear different opinions.

Yeah, its confusing because the news media only states that Chris Sr. was shot through "a door", with wooden bits found on him. It could be an internal or external door.

JMO, these questions can't be answered until something more comes out in pretrial hearings or at the trial.

 

[Betty P]

The Wagner 4 and their attorneys, all LE and investigators involved in these cases as well as DeWine. Jakes attorneys along with Rob Junk asked for and were granted a gag order by Judge Deering.


Snipped:

"Then, his court-appointed attorneys, Wagner William Moody and Gregory Myers, and Pike County Prosecutor Rob Junk requested and received a gag order in the case.

"It bars everyone involved in the case, including law enforcement and attorneys, from speaking to the media."

‘Not Guilty’ plea, gag order in first Wagner court appearance for execution-style murders
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LM, et al were under a gag order in reference to the minor great grandchildren SW and baby K.


Snipped:

'Leonard Manley said a court gag order limits what he can share about his great-grandchildren."

"I can tell you they're growing like weeds, and we get to see them," he said. "That's all I can tell you."

https://www.wcpo.com/news/local-new...acre-update-heres-what-we-know-one-year-later

Yes, that's my recollection. Most everyone who knows inside information about the case is prevented from talking due to the gag order. Anyone else who has first hand inside information would be people who were at the crime scene or handled evidence.

Unless a podcaster is interviewing someone who was verified to be at the crime scene, any inside information they're sharing should be verified.

Here's a suggestion: If there's some inside information about the case being shared by a podcaster, etc., how about having them go through the process of becoming a verified insider here at WS. They can do so under an anonymous name.

JMO, it's too close to the first trial to allow members to post "inside information" without solid verification.

 

[Caylee Advocate]

Yes, that's my recollection. Most everyone who knows inside information about the case is prevented from talking due to the gag order. Anyone else who has first hand inside information would be people who were at the crime scene or handled evidence.

Unless a podcaster is interviewing someone who was verified to be at the crime scene, any inside information they're sharing should be verified.

Here's a suggestion: If there's some inside information about the case being shared by a podcaster, etc., how about having them go through the process of becoming a verified insider here at WS. They can do so under an anonymous name.

JMO, it's too close to the first trial to allow members to post "inside information" without solid verification.

Again, I'll agree to disagree as there is NO gag order on these families or friends. If you find it, please do post the order or link and I'll eat crow. TIA.

 

[Betty P]

Again, I'll agree to disagree as there is NO gag order on these families or friends. If you find it, please do post the order or link and I'll eat crow. TIA.

There is a rule at Websleuths, though, that people sharing inside information about a criminal investigation that is not known to the public or in the news media need to be verified as insiders.

Verification Process for Professional or Insider Posters

 

[Johnny B Bad]

Yeah, its confusing because the news media only states that Chris Sr. was shot through "a door", with wooden bits found on him. It could be an internal or external door.

JMO, these questions can't be answered until something more comes out in pretrial hearings or at the trial.

Chris Sr was found in a bedroom Gary’s Farther stayed that Gary was one way and Chris was the other way and was laid across Chris Sr s legs

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[Johnny B Bad]

 

[Johnny B Bad]

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[Johnny B Bad]

To let’s others know a little bit of what went on with the Wagners family, JMO

 

[Caylee Advocate]

There is a rule at Websleuths, though, that people sharing inside information about a criminal investigation that is not known to the public or in the news media need to be verified as insiders.

Verification Process for Professional or Insider Posters

To my knowledge there is no one on here that is sharing inside information, most posters here share a link if there is one available. So I don't understand the need for anyone to register as an insider. That would be their choice IMO

 

[Cool Cats]

Chris Sr was found in a bedroom Gary’s Farther stayed that Gary was one way and Chris was the other way and was laid across Chris Sr s legs

Family investigated in Rhoden murders say they're being harassed

'A man can't bear it,' relative of Pike County victims says

Thanks for the reminder. Gary being on Chris's legs means Chris was already in the bedroom. I think Chris was shot in the head in the bedroom and Gary was shot in the head in the LR.

My theory has changed a little now that we know a Wagner shell casing (or casings) was found on the front porch. THEORY:

I think Chris opened the front door then they started shooting (casings on porch). He was then shot in the torso because they aimed for the biggest "target" which is the torso and even police aim for the torso. They were in a hurry, they needed to quickly stop him from getting a gun or escaping out a back door or calling someone etc... This is why he was shot 9 times and why he was the only one shot in his torso and extremity.

He made it to the bedroom and they shot him through the bedroom door not front
door. The door threw out splinters which BJM would have noticed if the bullets went through the front door. Alot of blood was in the LR so I think there was blood splatter from both Chris and Gary.

Trying to protect himself he was shot in the forearm either in the LR or in the bedroom. Lastly, they then shot him in the head in the bedroom leaving him on the floor. Then they let the dogs outside or one of them let the dogs out while the others chased after Chris.

Chris was more decomposed so it was later Gary walked in and they shot him in the LR getting blood all over. They didn't want someone to come over and then look through windows and see Gary because they were not done that night.

So they dragged Gary to the bedroom (drag marks) and dumped him on
Chris's legs because Chris was already on the bedroom floor.

After they shot Gary and removed all of Chris's secutity cameras that were inside the house they left through the front door locking it behind them.
They removed the outside security if nessessary to cover their tracks.

Frankie's house was next then Dana's then Kennys. After Kenny they ditched their guns some place that was possible for someone to retrieve them. I think this because of what George texted his family about the gun and silencer. In other words the guns were not very far away or in the middle of a lake or buried in a huge city dump etc...

 

[Betty P]

To my knowledge there is no one on here that is sharing inside information, most posters here share a link if there is one available. So I don't understand the need for anyone to register as an insider. That would be their choice IMO

No problem then, if no one is sharing new unsourced information about the Rhoden-Gilley murders.

 

[sunshineray]

There is a rule at Websleuths, though, that people sharing inside information about a criminal investigation that is not known to the public or in the news media need to be verified as insiders.

Verification Process for Professional or Insider Posters

Wasn't there one, before the arrests, that was verified and posted on Websleuths but then they were encouraged to stop posting because if was thought to be too dangerous for them to continue? So long ago...maybe I got it wrong?

 

[sunshineray]

Thanks for the reminder. Gary being on Chris's legs means Chris was already in the bedroom. I think Chris was shot in the head in the bedroom and Gary was shot in the head in the LR.

My theory has changed a little now that we know a Wagner shell casing (or casings) was found on the front porch. THEORY:

I think Chris opened the front door then they started shooting (casings on porch). He was then shot in the torso because they aimed for the biggest "target" which is the torso and even police aim for the torso. They were in a hurry, they needed to quickly stop him from getting a gun or escaping out a back door or calling someone etc... This is why he was shot 9 times and why he was the only one shot in his torso and extremity.

He made it to the bedroom and they shot him through the bedroom door not front
door. The door threw out splinters which BJM would have noticed if the bullets went through the front door. Alot of blood was in the LR so I think there was blood splatter from both Chris and Gary.

Trying to protect himself he was shot in the forearm either in the LR or in the bedroom. Lastly, they then shot him in the head in the bedroom leaving him on the floor. Then they let the dogs outside or one of them let the dogs out while the others chased after Chris.

Chris was more decomposed so it was later Gary walked in and they shot him in the LR getting blood all over. They didn't want someone to come over and then look through windows and see Gary because they were not done that night.

So they dragged Gary to the bedroom (drag marks) and dumped him on
Chris's legs because Chris was already on the bedroom floor.

After they shot Gary and removed all of Chris's secutity cameras that were inside the house they left through the front door locking it behind them.
They removed the outside security if nessessary to cover their tracks.

Frankie's house was next then Dana's then Kennys. After Kenny they ditched their guns some place that was possible for someone to retrieve them. I think this because of what George texted his family about the gun and silencer. In other words the guns were not very far away or in the middle of a lake or buried in a huge city dump etc...

I think they may have kept GR alive for a bit of time. If CRSR was awake and had a chance to try and flee, then was shot multiple times and killed...if the killers wanted to take money and valuables they may have questioned GR first before killing him. Robbing CRSR would just be one more way of destroying him. AJMO

 

[IType]

they just added that April 12th hearing - here's from the court site. And Thank You for pointing that out! I would have missed it - well maybe....

Jake:

Docket:
03/15/2021
Judge: DEERING, RANDY D
Event: MOTION HEARING
Date: 04/12/2021 Time: 09:00 AM


Hearings:
04/12/2021 09:00 AM MOTION HEARING DEERING, RANDY D

05/12/2021 09:00 AM MOTION HEARING DEERING, RANDY D

08/30/2021 08:30 AM JURY TRIAL DEERING, RANDY D

link: https://www.pikecountycpcourt.org/e...RD-qNQSY43xELJ1s6wtXK54-Nm*7y31qW4i*oZalXPIOA

Thanks for clarifying!

 

[Betty P]

I think they may have kept GR alive for a bit of time. If CRSR was awake and had a chance to try and flee, then was shot multiple times and killed...if the killers wanted to take money and valuables they may have questioned GR first before killing him. Robbing CRSR would just be one more way of destroying him. AJMO

All 4 of the Wagners were charged with burglary, but it was assumed it was in the context of breaking into the victims' homes for the purpose of killing them and for the theft of security cameras and equipment. Was anything else stolen? Did they question Chris Sr. and Gary about the location of all the cameras before killing them?

ETA: WRT bullets found under the mobile home (new information), could those have come from shooting one of the victims while they were lying on the floor? I assume those subfloors are plywood or particleboard.

https://mobilehomeliving.org/how-to-replace-flooring-in-a-mobile-home/

Shells outdoors on the front porch could have come when they shot at Chris Sr. when he opened the door. He may have seen them outside and thought they were coming to fight again, so he may have opened the door without a weapon.

As for the rest, its long been the consensus here that Chris Sr. ran into a bedroom, possibly to retrieve a weapon, and was shot through that door.

Considering how much of a fight he put up, he came close to preventing the massacre. Sad.