OH Pike Co., 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue, 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested #59

[Dudly]

We haven’t even seen a list of guns retrieved from the Rhodens homes yet, all you Sluthers know that the Rhodens was owner of guns, so why haven’t LE said anything about them????

Would anyone left alive know how many guns the Rs had or if any were missing?

 

[Johnny B Bad]

Would anyone left alive know how many guns the Rs had or if any were missing?

All their homes was put into protective storage, so it only be right that the county would inventory personnel belonging ????

 

[Covert Operative]

All their homes was put into protective storage, so it only be right that the county would inventory personnel belonging ????

They would inventory the homes but I am not sure they would know what was missing. Also not sure why/if they would mention the R guns if they were not related to the murders.

 

[Puzzles8]

I believe they also thoroughly documented the crime scenes (trailers) using FARO technology.

A picture is worth a thousand words.
https://www.faro.com/en/Application...e-incident-Planning/Crime-Scene-Investigation
JMO, MOO, etc.

 

[Dudly]

All their homes was put into protective storage, so it only be right that the county would inventory personnel belonging ????

It very likely that everything in the homes were inventoried and everything recorded but under seal like everything else.
But, if it is not known how many guns the Rs had before the murders, an inventory after won’t determine how many if any is missing...

 

[OhioBlues]

You are correct, there could be several reasons for a single shot. I have thought of quite a few myself. It does seem to me he was probably in the original plan. Timing is everything they say.

I think it was planned because they removed all of the cameras:

Cameras set up at the home of one of the Ohio massacre victims were removed by the killers, it was claimed on Thursday.

Kenneth Rhoden, who was shot once in the head as he lay in bed, was paranoid about security and had bought a pit bull terrier and installed CCTV cameras around his home.

But the killer carefully dismantled several cameras that would have been capable of recording images of all visitors and helped detectives.

Security cameras set up inside home of Ohio massacre victim could have helped identify killers | Daily Mail Online

 

[Chelly]

I think it was planned because they removed all of the cameras:

Cameras set up at the home of one of the Ohio massacre victims were removed by the killers, it was claimed on Thursday.

Kenneth Rhoden, who was shot once in the head as he lay in bed, was paranoid about security and had bought a pit bull terrier and installed CCTV cameras around his home.

But the killer carefully dismantled several cameras that would have been capable of recording images of all visitors and helped detectives.

Security cameras set up inside home of Ohio massacre victim could have helped identify killers | Daily Mail Online

To long time followers of the Rhoden murders:
Does all that reporting in above link from Daily Mail jive with the evidence as we know it?

 

[Covert Operative]

To long time followers of the Rhoden murders:
Does all that reporting in above link from Daily Mail jive with the evidence as we know it?

I think most of it does. I think the number of plants had been reported to be 200 and in some articles. I think the money left on KR had changed in some articles and was not listed as 1000 dollars, just as money strewn. Many articles have some details differently. Seems some articles said grow ops found at 2 scenes and some said 3.

 

[Betty P]

To long time followers of the Rhoden murders:
Does all that reporting in above link from Daily Mail jive with the evidence as we know it?

Most of it does. I think the info about cameras at KR's came from DS, who was interviewed for another Daily Mail story. Since DM didn't interview anyone regarding Chris Sr's trailer, they probably didn't include anything about his security cameras.

DS probably looked after finding KR and noticed his cameras were missing, hence the article says all were removed by the killers. We've since learned some were removed from Chris Sr's, but also that some cameras were either missed or video was somehow retrieved based on evidence listed in discovery.

In a way, it was probably good that the DM ran that story because it may have made the Wagner's feel confident they had removed all the security cameras, when in reality they hadn't. JMO

Yes, the story changed re the number of pot plants, etc. as did the amount of money left on KR's body.

ETA: It's interesting to read some of the comments in the article. In those early days, there was always someone posting comments under a fake name, blaming the Rhodens for their own murders, calling them bullies, claiming they were doing all kinds of terrible illegal things. Always someone who claimed to be a local who knew the back story.

I've always wondered if that was Jake Wagner or any of the other Wags trying to direct attention away from their own guilty behavior.

 

[Covert Operative]

We know the front door was locked at CRsr and at FR from BJM interviews in articles. We do not know about back doors or about DR door. We know KR's was unlocked from DS interview. KR had to padlock his from outside. What would be the purpose of locking the doors when they left? If someone came by, unless it was just an acquaintance they probably were not just gonna leave knowing that the vehicles were there and nobody came to door.

 

[Covert Operative]

I think it is assumed that the doors were unlocked and that is how entry was gained. Since we do not know, let's assume none were unlocked except at KR's, since his had to be padlocked from outside. How would they get in the other homes if any of them happened to be locked? Would they not need a backup plan in case?

 

[OhioBlues]

We know the front door was locked at CRsr and at FR from BJM interviews in articles. We do not know about back doors or about DR door. We know KR's was unlocked from DS interview. KR had to padlock his from outside. What would be the purpose of locking the doors when they left? If someone came by, unless it was just an acquaintance they probably were not just gonna leave knowing that the vehicles were there and nobody came to door.

The door at FR may have been locked to prevent any young children from leaving the home.

 

[OhioBlues]

I think it is assumed that the doors were unlocked and that is how entry was gained. Since we do not know, let's assume none were unlocked except at KR's, since his had to be padlocked from outside. How would they get in the other homes if any of them happened to be locked? Would they not need a backup plan in case?

I think JW would have had a key to FR and CR's home from when they lived together. jmo

Corrected to FR initials.

 

[Antimony]

What would be the purpose of locking the doors when you left?

Really?

 

[Cool Cats]

We know the front door was locked at CRsr and at FR from BJM interviews in articles. We do not know about back doors or about DR door. We know KR's was unlocked from DS interview. KR had to padlock his from outside. What would be the purpose of locking the doors when they left? If someone came by, unless it was just an acquaintance they probably were not just gonna leave knowing that the vehicles were there and nobody came to door.

2 Cent Theory

Both bodies were "hidden" in a back bedroom because they were being extra cautious, not wanting to take the chance of bodies being seen too early. Not only did they want to finish what they started but they needed time to get rid of all those security cameras (maybe phones if they stole them) and the guns, brass catchers, bug detector, shoes, masks, all their clothes etc...all those murder kit purchases.

If someone went to Chris's too early and the door was unlocked they could go right in then be calling 911, way before the Wagners were ready for that.

With the door locked a visitor could assume they are sleeping and not want to wake them, at least not until BJM showed up around 7:00am. The longer it took to get into the houses means the longer it took to call LE.

Note that Frankie and HG were already in the bedroom and their door was locked.

My theory is contingent on Dana's door being locked also.

 

[Puzzles8]

I think it is assumed that the doors were unlocked and that is how entry was gained. Since we do not know, let's assume none were unlocked except at KR's, since his had to be padlocked from outside. How would they get in the other homes if any of them happened to be locked? Would they not need a backup plan in case?

Cell phone jammer as a useful tool? We don't know what purpose that served yet.

Knocking on the door, then forcing their way in. No one could call 911 or any other source of help.

Just throwing out some possible ideas.

 

[Dudly]

What would be the purpose of locking the doors when you left?

Really?

I believe at CRsr’s house it was to delay discovery of the crimes. In FR’s case it may have been to keep the boys from wondering outside before an adult was present. They cared enough to leave them alive so they may have wanted them contained...

 

[Cool Cats]

I think JW would have had a key to FR and CR's home from when they lived together. jmo

Corrected to FR initials.

Exactly. Simply have the key.

There is no reason for Jake not to have a key to the Rhoden home he lived on and off in. No reason he could not get a key to Chris's. He lived next to Chris I believe, and could have been given a key because he was like family and even spent Christmas every year at LM's. Or he could have been helping Chris with something... etc.....

Also, he could have known where the spare key was kept outside, BJM knew.

As for Dana's, all he had to do was borrow Chris Jr's car or Dana's car or Hanna's car. He could have simply offered to put gas in their car or offered to drive their car to a tire shop to replace a tire or offered to drive their car to his house to replace some parts or tune it up.

Remember, he was fixing a woman's car at his house before and after their aggravated crimes that night. People always turn their keys over to someone fixing their cars.

Why do I say car keys?

Ok, raise your hands ... LOL ... How many posters on here have their house keys and car keys on the same key chain?

 

[Johnny B Bad]

2 Cent Theory

Both bodies were "hidden" in a back bedroom because they were being extra cautious, not wanting to take the chance of bodies being seen too early. Not only did they want to finish what they started but they needed time to get rid of all those security cameras (maybe phones if they stole them) and the guns, brass catchers, bug detector, shoes, masks, all their clothes etc...all those murder kit purchases.

If someone went to Chris's too early and the door was unlocked they could go right in then be calling 911, way before the Wagners were ready for that.

With the door locked a visitor could assume they are sleeping and not want to wake them, at least not until BJM showed up around 7:00am. The longer it took to get into the houses means the longer it took to call LE.

Note that Frankie and HG were already in the bedroom and their door was locked.

My theory is contingent on Dana's door being locked also.

Am I missing something but didn’t Mike DeWine or the Discover talk about a cell phone jammer and a next door neighbor trail cam photo????

 

[Johnny B Bad]

Exactly. Simply have the key.

There is no reason for Jake not to have a key to the Rhoden home he lived on and off in. No reason he could not get a key to Chris's. He lived next to Chris I believe, and could have been given a key because he was like family and even spent Christmas every year at LM's. Or he could have been helping Chris with something... etc.....

Also, he could have known where the spare key was kept outside, BJM knew.

As for Dana's, all he had to do was borrow Chris Jr's car or Dana's car or Hanna's car. He could have simply offered to put gas in their car or offered to drive their car to a tire shop to replace a tire or offered to drive their car to his house to replace some parts or tune it up.

Remember, he was fixing a woman's car at his house before and after their aggravated crimes that night. People always turn their keys over to someone fixing their cars.

Why do I say car keys?

Ok, raise your hands ... LOL ... How many posters on here have their house keys and car keys on the same key chain?

The only way Jake could have gained entrance to Dana’s home was to knock on the door, because Hanna May, Little Chris & Dana had just moved into the new house in April, the Rhodens where already having trouble from the Wagners about SW custody, so I doubt the Rhodens would have let Jake have a chance to get a key to the new house, JMO