OH - Pike Co, 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue, 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested #70

[Tiff23fr]

JW will testify. Id bet my monthly retirement check on it. He can claim 4 didnt shoot anyone all he wants, it doesn't matter. You lie you die. It is that simple.

I hope EW isnt needed as a witness. I still say if JW and AW testify to the family dynamics she isnt needed. She can only corroborate what AW and JW testify about. Im sure the prosecutors have already nailed down any inconsistencies.

So, if EW says one thing and AW and JW says another, who is to believed? Will the death penalty be brought back on the table?

None of this family dynamic crap means anything anyway. JW and AW implicated 4 in the planning and at a minimum being on the scene of the murders. He is on tape threatening LEO and authorities. I dont know what else is needed. It is just my simple minded opinion. KISS

While the family dynamics is an interesting angle for the defense team to lean on, IMO it comes down to a clear distinction between morals/ethics and what is legally right or wrong. The family may have been insular and had their own set of morals and beliefs, but I feel in the end, the boys knew the difference in legally right and wrong.

They may have been homeschooled, but they still interacted in society. They participated in social media, they were exposed to the outside world, and even drove trucks cross country. These were not two boys that lived in a cave of complete isolation only influenced from birth by their parents. The planning and coverup is evidence of a clear understanding of ”not getting caught”. An attempt “not to be caught” is a clear understanding that you know what you are doing is wrong.

The offspring of gang members, abusers and others who grow up in cultures where violence is morally acceptable human behavior on the inside of their circle still have the basic grounding and understanding of a separation between personal morals or values, laws and human behavior. Those that grow up in families where crime is viewed by them as morally acceptable behavior are still held accountable by the court of law for their actions. The attempt to conceal one’s identity with a ski mask before robbing a bank is in my mind no different than GW dying his hair. In both examples there is a recognition that the action is legally wrong and an effort is made to conceal ones identity.

I see the family dynamic angle as an attempt to create empathy/sympathy. I have trouble seeing it hold any weight. I look forward to seeing the prosecution begin to unwind the threads of George and his decisions to show he was well aware he was part of the act of committing murder which is both morally and legally wrong.

 

[joe jones]

any updates when opening statements begin

 

[twall]

any updates when opening statements begin

Tuesday Sept. 6

 

[pcrum12]

Are they in court today?

 

[Ann99]

Are they in court today?

Not today.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1565713807267225601

 

[Betty P]

Interesting Tweet from Angenette Levy

https://twitter.com/x/status/1565715922769289220

NEW INFO: Prosecutors in the #GeorgeWagnerIV trial have agreed to not introduce possible hearsay evidence that there was a physical fight between Chris #Rhoden Sr. and Billy Wagner a few weeks before the Rhodens and Hannah Gilley were murdered. (cont) 1/3
@LawCrimeNetwork

I was told about this fight by a Rhoden/Manley family member in May 2017. I was told it was over the Wagners wanting Hanna May Rhoden to sign over custody of the daughter she had with Jake Wagner. I was told, despite Chris Sr. being (cont) 2/3

much smaller in size, the he beat up Billy and basically won the fight. Then, 2 or 3 weeks later, the Rhodens and HG were murdered. It doesn't seem there's anyone to directly testify to this. Prosecutors have agreed to not bring this up 3/3

There's no one to directly testify to this fight because the Wagners killed all of them. JMO

 

[Betty P]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1565728484575543298

Derek Myers posted a new photo on Twitter showing new chain link fencing that has been installed around the Pike County Court House.

 

[Betty P]

Patty Newberry of Cincinnati Enquirer giving her update on the #PikeCountyMassacre today. She says its quiet today, jurors haven't been called in. Opening statements will begin next Tuesday.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1565713807267225601

Based on Angenette Levy's post upthread, there are some meetings going on, though

 

[Betty P]

ETA: Found the docket entry. Thanks!

 

[Chelly]

I was also just noticing on the Pike County, OH Court View web site that on George Wagner IV's docket, there's no listing showing that Motion#109 was filed. It doesn't appear anywhere in the records for his case.

The copies of the motion we received came from Twitter posts of one of the reporters on the trial. I wonder if this is some kind of information that reporter is getting from GW4's defense team? Is the Motion document genuine? Was it filed, then removed? Is Pike County just late in getting it posted to the web site?

I'm keeping it filed away under "what's up with that reporter and the GW4 defense team?"

Thanks so much @Betty P for keeping us updated. There is a so much misinformation in this case, even professional news reporters are struggling to to provide facts.

 

[Birdnerd71]

I was also just noticing on the Pike County, OH Court View web site that on George Wagner IV's docket, there's no listing showing that Motion#109 was filed. It doesn't appear anywhere in the records for his case.

The copies of the motion we received came from Twitter posts of one of the reporters on the trial. I wonder if this is some kind of information that reporter is getting from GW4's defense team? Is the Motion document genuine? Was it filed, then removed? Is Pike County just late in getting it posted to the web site?

https://cpcourt.pikecounty.oh.gov/eservices/home.page.13

ETA: Here's the original Tweet, from an account called TheDocket

https://twitter.com/x/status/1565054901083934722

If it doesn't show up on the docket next week, I'll ask the Mods to remove anything related to it. There have been a couple of instances in the past where people posted fake info about the Rhoden massacre on social media. Apparently, there's some dark web-type social media related to this case. JMO

Interesting. It is stamped as received 08.31.

 

[Betty P]

Interesting. It is stamped as received 08.31.

Nevermind, I found it. The new formatting of the PC Court View site is confusing.

Let's see if this works. When you view the docket, you used to scroll to the bottom for the latest entry. Now you have to
look in the lower right corner for arrows to go to the next page. The next entry shows the Judge granting defense Motion 96, to prevent the prosecution from using evidence of Chris Sr and Billy Wagner getting in a big fight a couple weeks before the murders. It's considered hearsay because all those who witnessed it are deceased with the exception of the killers.

The judge also denied the defense's motion to not allow the state to use Hannah's text message stating "they will have to kill me first" re giving up custody of her daughter. The text message is still admissible evidence.

 

[IType]

I was also just noticing on the Pike County, OH Court View web site that on George Wagner IV's docket, there's no listing showing that Motion#109 was filed. It doesn't appear anywhere in the records for his case.

The copies of the motion we received came from Twitter posts of one of the reporters on the trial. I wonder if this is some kind of information that reporter is getting from GW4's defense team? Is the Motion document genuine? Was it filed, then removed? Is Pike County just late in getting it posted to the web site?

https://cpcourt.pikecounty.oh.gov/eservices/home.page.13

ETA: Here's the original Tweet, from an account called TheDocket

https://twitter.com/x/status/1565054901083934722

If it doesn't show up on the docket next week, I'll ask the Mods to remove anything related to it. There have been a couple of instances in the past where people posted fake info about the Rhoden massacre on social media. Apparently, there's some dark web-type social media related to this case. JMO

Motion 109 is listed in the docket. If you look at the bottom left corner of the docket screen, it says
Showing 1 to 500 of 503.
If you look in the right bottom corner of the screen there is

<< < 1 2 > >>

Click on the two and it will go to the next page of entries. Motion 109 is the first item listed, posted on 8/31/22

Sorry for the duplicate information. I was typing this post at the same time BP was posting that she found the second page of docket listings.

 

[CIA Team Member]

Is anyone personally attending the trial? It would be interesting to have first hand information on the perspective within the courtroom; with families, attorneys, etc in the gallery.

 

[Dudly]

While the family dynamics is an interesting angle for the defense team to lean on, IMO it comes down to a clear distinction between morals/ethics and what is legally right or wrong. The family may have been insular and had their own set of morals and beliefs, but I feel in the end, the boys knew the difference in legally right and wrong.

They may have been homeschooled, but they still interacted in society. They participated in social media, they were exposed to the outside world, and even drove trucks cross country. These were not two boys that lived in a cave of complete isolation only influenced from birth by their parents. The planning and coverup is evidence of a clear understanding of ”not getting caught”. An attempt “not to be caught” is a clear understanding that you know what you are doing is wrong.

The offspring of gang members, abusers and others who grow up in cultures where violence is morally acceptable human behavior on the inside of their circle still have the basic grounding and understanding of a separation between personal morals or values, laws and human behavior. Those that grow up in families where crime is viewed by them as morally acceptable behavior are still held accountable by the court of law for their actions. The attempt to conceal one’s identity with a ski mask before robbing a bank is in my mind no different than GW dying his hair. In both examples there is a recognition that the action is legally wrong and an effort is made to conceal ones identity.

I see the family dynamic angle as an attempt to create empathy/sympathy. I have trouble seeing it hold any weight. I look forward to seeing the prosecution begin to unwind the threads of George and his decisions to show he was well aware he was part of the act of committing murder which is both morally and legally wrong.

Very well said. There are no excuses…

 

[Chelly]

Do we have a list of verified news sources?

 

[Seattle1]

I was also just noticing on the Pike County, OH Court View web site that on George Wagner IV's docket, there's no listing showing that Motion#109 was filed. It doesn't appear anywhere in the records for his case.

The copies of the motion we received came from Twitter posts of one of the reporters on the trial. I wonder if this is some kind of information that reporter is getting from GW4's defense team? Is the Motion document genuine? Was it filed, then removed? Is Pike County just late in getting it posted to the web site?


https://cpcourt.pikecounty.oh.gov/eservices/home.page.13

08/31/2022

MOTION NO. 109 DEFENDANT'S MOTION TO COMPEL DISCOVERY FILED Attorney: PARKER, JOHN PATRICK Attorney: NASH, JR, RICHARD M

@Betty P --It's posted on the 2nd page of the docket.

 

[Betty P]

Motion 109 is listed in the docket. If you look at the bottom left corner of the docket screen, it says
Showing 1 to 500 of 503.
If you look in the right bottom corner of the screen there is

<< < 1 2 > >>

Click on the two and it will go to the next page of entries. Motion 109 is the first item listed, posted on 8/31/22

Sorry for the duplicate information. I was typing this post at the same time BP was posting that she found the second page of docket listings.

No problem! I updated my post. The new format in the Pike County Court View docket section is different.
I'm always leery of court and other evidence documents I find about this case on social media. There have been some imitations in the past. Getting this close to the trial, it pays to look closely at everything new that pops up on social media.

 

[Betty P]

08/31/2022

MOTION NO. 109 DEFENDANT'S MOTION TO COMPEL DISCOVERY FILED Attorney: PARKER, JOHN PATRICK Attorney: NASH, JR, RICHARD M

@Betty P --It's posted on the 2nd page of the docket.

Thanks, I discovered the new pagination feature.

 

[Betty P]

Do we have a list of verified news sources?

Personally, I'm going to stick with regular news media sources - like the major newspapers and television news. A lot of you watch CourtTV and Law and Crime, so I assume they're ok. Maybe we should ask mods if they want to give us a list.

For Twitter, I've been following Patty Newberry with Cincinnati Engquirer and Angenette Levy with Law and Crime (she used to work for Columbus Dispatch, right?) Someone shared a Tweet that Chris Graves is going to report again.

This trial is starting to get coverage from media in Europe, too.