OH - Pike Co - 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue - 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested #75

[Ann99]

Docket update for GW4:

10/07/2022 SUBPOENA ISSUED TO BARBARA MOORE
Attorney: NASH, JR, RICHARD M

link: https://cpcourt.pikecounty.oh.gov/e...AXjtysgcD7Q22DTtkKPTeUyp16CUyRFZ4J8SFSHRrzGuw


How come her name sounds familiar??

? G4 custody Attorney?

 

[Ann99]

remember they had 289000 from the fire- even if this was used to buy peterson a healthy amount would be left over. im sure that would be used as capital for further criminal deals- drugs, guns, funding stolen rings. but id say alot of the illegal activity would center around transportation. having a legit semi able to travel for texas for "cattle" would be a wonderful asset for anyone interested in purchasing and moving fentanyl, meth, cocaine etc. was peterson title actually moved for 1 dollar and other considerations? this is a situation pops up alot in the murdaugh money theft/drug ring islands. its usually a sign of collaboration outside the law

I was interested in the fact that the Peterson property was so very large. If I understand, actually 2 parcels.
Then! I thought maybe this group of W’s was planning on claiming Farm subsidies.
Long ago, I researched Wagner name for subsidies and I found a public document indicating amounts paid out since ? 1990. The Elder Wagner had collected a very large sum of money over approx. 20 years from farm subsidies. Not saying it was illegal, because I don’t understand it.
I will try to find that post from long ago.
Anyway he point is, the Wagners have many different ways of collecting money that do not include a real job.
I would put nothing past them .
Awful thought - I have even begun to wonder if thy took out life insurance policies on the young children.
Also, Why have a life insurance policy on Jake and G4.? They produce no income, etc.
No life insurance on AW or Billy? Odd.

 

[Lilttledoggie]

WOW, sure glad I’m not a nosey person.

BBM
I think all of us on WS would fit under the nosy if not curious umbrella, else what are we all doing on here?

How many everyday citizens knows about this law?
I don't know but you can bet every IRS agent does, and more than a few CPA's.

JMO

Your right RAISINBACK, guess I am nosey,
but not so much as to go looking through things I have no business in.

 

[24Roses]

Docket update for GW4:

10/07/2022 SUBPOENA ISSUED TO BARBARA MOORE
Attorney: NASH, JR, RICHARD M

link: https://cpcourt.pikecounty.oh.gov/e...AXjtysgcD7Q22DTtkKPTeUyp16CUyRFZ4J8SFSHRrzGuw


How come her name sounds familiar??

Thank you so much for the link. I finally can search for some of this info. on my own! I was trying to figure out the website for a while now.

 

[sunshineray]

I gather they will NOT be in court on Monday, 10/10 - Indigenous People's Day?

I did not see anything on James' tweets. Anyone? TIA!

I did a Scooby Doo and that's a good question. Two Presidental Proclamations were released on October 8th.

One says Mobday October 10th (formerly the scheduled Columbus Day) is now Indigenous Peoples Day.

The second one says Tuesday October 11th is now Columbus Day.

Both proclamations say nice things about both Indigenous Peoples and Italians but neither says if the 10th or 11th is either a National holiday (which some states can acknowledge or not) or a Federal holiday(all states)?

I'm confused whether courts are open on Monday.

 

[Niner]

Okay - found this article!

Pike County murder trial: Jury shown forged custody documents, Walmart receipt, other Wagner belongings

After hearing about evidence collected during an extensive two-day search of the Wagner property, jurors will hear more evidence collected against the family as George Wagner IV stands trial.

www.wcpo.com

Oct. 7, 2022
....
Court adjourned for the day after Jenkins stepped down; it will reconvene on Tuesday, Oct. 11, after breaking Monday for Columbus Day.

 

[skyedaze]

I did a Scooby Doo and that's a good question. Two Presidental Proclamations were released on October 8th.

One says Mobday October 10th (formerly the scheduled Columbus Day) is now Indigenous Peoples Day.

The second one says Tuesday October 11th is now Columbus Day.

Both proclamations say nice things about both Indigenous Peoples and Italians but neither says if the 10th or 11th is either a National holiday (which some states can acknowledge or not) or a Federal holiday(all states)?

I'm confused whether courts are open on Monday.

Federal Holiday is Monday 10/10/22

 

[ColMustard]

he denied they had a fight in the interview. It wasn't made a big deal of and the conversation moved on to something else. He said they had lunch together that week and according to Billy, something was bothering Chris sr, but they had no fight.

Was the deal they won't discuss any fight including that recording? I don't recall if the prosecution asked the BCI agent about any fight. I don't think he did.

When they played the BW interview in court, there was a defense objection that was sustained and instructions given to the jury about the recent altercation between CRsr and BW. Jury was to disregard that statement by BW, if I'm not mistaken. BW admits to the altercation on the recording.

I revisited the interview last night ... it needs to be a greatest hits recording.

edit coming: Link to the interview..... Iink below starts with the interview, not the start of the court session. The looks on GW4's face are intense.

Edit 2 .. The first objection is resolved without any ruling. ...trying to find that ruling on the fight.

...sounds like BW expected the "Feds and DEA" .to be.. "in on it".

... tells BCI "I got no credit, I use prepaid phones."

At 57:50 of the video, BCI asks BW about the fight.... BCI said they got a tip that BW got into a fight with CR and BW pulled a gun on him.

The interview ends at 2:22:00. ... still looking. AC asks about a break, and there's a sidebar... 15 minute break. Jury dismissed.

Back at 2:52:00 .... 2:53:00 The judge rules the audio recording is not evidence. It's simply to show how the investigation was conducted.

2:58:00 Defense objection to question about CR holding money for BW. Sidebar... AC continues with the question.

3:04:00 AC asks the witness about the fight that they heard about through tips.

 

[ColMustard]

Jake has had a lot of time to think. moo

Will we see a brotherly confrontation? Or more lies?

Edit... ran out of edit time above.

 

[joe jones]

AC's all for one and one for all case is falling apart IMO. She claimed they all shared bank accounts and finances yet there were two bank statements for George from two different banks in those documents.

One looked to be a business account for the trucking company with signatory privileges by several of the W's which is not that uncommon for people who own businesses. I have several people on my business account that can sign checks to vendors or payroll checks in case I am unavailable, including family members.

A second one was in George's name only and probably his personal account.

JMO

and so far, we have only had TC testify to what happened at the house they shared, she testified that BW was "seldom" there, GW was away for a week at a time hauling cattle, so even though they lived together they were not always at home together at the same time, post the murders it seems they were together more especially when they went to Alaska,

AC is desperately trying to prove her one for all theory with little to no evidence so far, she is IMO relying heavily on AW and JW testimony, I wonder if they will be coming up next week,

 

[joe jones]

I was thinking about the family sitting round the table taking a vote on whatever issue. Did the outcome have to be unanimous, or was it majority rules? What if it was a tie? Did Angela have the deciding vote? What if, (not saying it happened) but what if George voted NO?

the only testimony so far about family meetings came from Tabitha who says they happened, but she wasn't allowed to attend, she also did not know if they took a vote,

 

[sunshineray]

Okay - found this article!

Pike County murder trial: Jury shown forged custody documents, Walmart receipt, other Wagner belongings

After hearing about evidence collected during an extensive two-day search of the Wagner property, jurors will hear more evidence collected against the family as George Wagner IV stands trial.

www.wcpo.com

Oct. 7, 2022
....
Court adjourned for the day after Jenkins stepped down; it will reconvene on Tuesday, Oct. 11, after breaking Monday for Columbus Day.

Haha and that was news on Oct 7th, so before the Oct 8th Presidential Proclamations......?

 

[Niner]

and so far, we have only had TC testify to what happened at the house they shared, she testified that BW was "seldom" there, GW was away for a week at a time hauling cattle, so even though they lived together they were not always at home together at the same time, post the murders it seems they were together more especially when they went to Alaska,

AC is desperately trying to prove her one for all theory with little to no evidence so far, she is IMO relying heavily on AW and JW testimony, I wonder if they will be coming up next week,

I looked on both their cases & nothing has been added on the docket about transport. I was curious too! I guess they will post that on the court side when they get moved.

 

[ColMustard]

When they played the BW interview in court, there was a defense objection that was sustained and instructions given to the jury about the recent altercation between CRsr and BW. Jury was to disregard that statement by BW, if I'm not mistaken. BW admits to the altercation on the recording.

I revisited the interview last night ... it needs to be a greatest hits recording.

edit coming: Link to the interview..... Iink below starts with the interview, not the start of the court session. The looks on GW4's face are intense.

Edit 2 .. The first objection is resolved without any ruling. ...trying to find that ruling on the fight.

...sounds like BW expected the "Feds and DEA" .to be.. "in on it".

... tells BCI "I got no credit, I use prepaid phones."

At 57:50 of the video, BCI asks BW about the fight.... BCI said they got a tip that BW got into a fight with CR and BW pulled a gun on him.

The interview ends at 2:22:00. ... still looking. AC asks about a break, and there's a sidebar... 15 minute break. Jury dismissed.

Back at 2:52:00 .... 2:53:00 The judge rules the audio recording is not evidence. It's simply to show how the investigation was conducted.

2:58:00 Defense objection to question about CR holding money for BW. Sidebar... AC continues with the question.

3:04:00 AC asks the witness about the fight that they heard about through tips.

After the break there's a long sidebar. After the jury is brought in, the judge reminds the jury that there's an agreement not to mention the altercation between BW and CRsr. 4:24:16

They also acknowledged discussing this in chambers.

Edited to add: Like the defense said, the tape speaks for itself. On the tape they said the tip was that BW got in a fight with CRsr, BW pulled a gun and CRsr took it from him.

 

[sunshineray]

I was interested in the fact that the Peterson property was so very large. If I understand, actually 2 parcels.
Then! I thought maybe this group of W’s was planning on claiming Farm subsidies.
Long ago, I researched Wagner name for subsidies and I found a public document indicating amounts paid out since ? 1990. The Elder Wagner had collected a very large sum of money over approx. 20 years from farm subsidies. Not saying it was illegal, because I don’t understand it.
I will try to find that post from long ago.
Anyway he point is, the Wagners have many different ways of collecting money that do not include a real job.
I would put nothing past them .
Awful thought - I have even begun to wonder if thy took out life insurance policies on the young children.
Also, Why have a life insurance policy on Jake and G4.? They produce no income, etc.
No life insurance on AW or Billy? Odd.

Life insurance on the fathers of the young children, it makes sense, they were truckers on the road a lot. IMO

 

[joe jones]

I looked on both their cases & nothing has been added on the docket about transport. I was curious too! I guess they will post that on the court side when they get moved.

I wonder if they have to let the defense attorneys know when they will call AW and JW, I imagine they will need at least a day if not more for both AW and JW as they will both be subject to very long, detailed cross examinations

 

[arielilane]

IMO, thinking along the lines that G4 will seek a plea deal but is waiting until AG and JW testimonies.
This is Nash's 1st capital murder trial, and other attorney is older than dirt (LOL, me too) and seems to be only concerned about daunting the witnesses.

 

[joe jones]

IMO, thinking along the lines that G4 will seek a plea deal but is waiting until AG and JW testimonies.
This is Nash's 1st capital murder trial, and other attorney is older than dirt (LOL, me too) and seems to be only concerned about daunting the witnesses.

If as we suspect AW and JW do not allow recording of their testimony, then he like us will only get a glimpse of what was said or how they fared on cross examination, he already knows what's in their proffer,

he has nothing to offer the state so all he has left is pleading guilty and getting LWOP, if I was him, I would roll the dice, he has nothing to lose, and by not pleading G all hope is not lost, as you can spend your long years behind bars researching into and looking for appellate issues, which is why I also think GW3 went to trial, it just leaves that sliver of hope, they may never find issues that they can appeal on but it gives them something to do

I think GW3 will look to appeal on probative v prejudicial evidence, especially the states use of crime scene and autopsy photos, I also think HR messages to TC may be an issue, the confrontation clause isn't met as HR is dead, Mark Jensen is awaiting a retrial due to the fact the state used a letter from his dead wife in his trial, supreme court overturned his conviction as his wife was dead and couldn't testify about her letter, the state try to argue often that a person cannot testify due to the defendant having killed them, but that is not the law, and Mark Jensen was on trial for murdering his wife who wrote the letter before her death saying if anything happens to me he did it (not verbatim)

 

[Cool Cats]

IMO, thinking along the lines that G4 will seek a plea deal but is waiting until AG and JW testimonies.
This is Nash's 1st capital murder trial, and other attorney is older than dirt (LOL, me too) and seems to be only concerned about daunting the witnesses.

I don't think the prosecution would let him do a plea deal. Not if Jake and Angela's testimony is what the prosecution hopes for. Prosecutors do not have to allow pleas. I think they will let the jury decide.

 

[joe jones]

I don't think the prosecution would let him do a plea deal. Not if Jake and Angela's testimony is what the prosecution hopes for. Prosecutors do not have to allow pleas. I think they will let the jury decide.

he can plead guilty if he chooses up till trial starts, I think he could also plead guilty once trial has started, state would love it if he did, saves them a huge amount of time and money