OH - Pike Co - 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue - 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested #75

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  • #721
Does any of you Sleuthers remember the first few days after the murders, it was posted on a social media site the Pike county Police Department had a Officer posted at the Rhodens homes making sure nobody messed with them and one night a Officer saw a couple people trying to sneak around the hillside towards the homes but they got away it was said they was dressed in dark clothing and ski mask, JMO
 
  • #722
Does any of you Sleuthers remember the first few days after the murders, it was posted on a social media site the Pike county Police Department had a Officer posted at the Rhodens homes making sure nobody messed with them and one night a Officer saw a couple people trying to sneak around the hillside towards the homes but they got away it was said they was dressed in dark clothing and ski mask, JMO

Yes, I remember that story, but it wasn't in legit news, so we couldn't discuss it here. It was in the news, though, that PCSD posted deputies at the crime scenes for a while after the murders. Spooky to think about someone trying to get in there. There were also people with ski masks on at the home of Kenny's ex-wife.
 
  • #723
I don't think GW4 cared at all about the Rhoden family and Hannah Gilley. The loss of their lives meant nothing to him. If he had mustered the courage to talk his family out of the murder spree, it would have been to save his own family, not to prevent the deaths of others.

Wagners were raised to believe they were better than everyone else, big narcissists, elitists. They did as they pleased without consequences and considered it a weakness to feel compassion.
Yup. Billy bragging to BCI on having it easy growing up compared to Chris, making sure the agents knew he had trust fund money, stealing a bunch of items found in his shed then asking if he could just pay a fine.

So many civil lawsuits the Wagner's filed using the best attorneys. FW using the best attorney for her criminal Case, then giving videos for YouTube and interviews for the most read Ohio newspaper using her attorney in her own kitchen.

Billy always having good attorneys supplied to him for his slap on the wrist or lack of speedy trial dismissals for his thefts etc....

We have land and money to keep us insulated in one of the poorest Ohio Counties. Big fish small pond.
 
  • #724
Fair warning on that podcast: A large portion of it is garbage, but you can probably trust the recording they played of Agent Scheiderer's testimony and, of course, an interview with a family member. I'm sure Angela's brother was slightly biased about his cousins, though. They obviously weren't nice guys.

There was a trash pull at a Days Inn Motel on June 18. We looked around and assumed it was the Days Inn in Jackson, OH. That was the location closest to Pike County. It's possible it was a different Days Inn, if they were on their way to AK. ETA: It was the Days Inn in Jackson, OH. It was assumed then the 4 Wagners were staying there as they prepared to leave for AK, after selling their house and moving out.

June 8, 2017
BCI searches trash at Days Inn, Jackson, OH (presume this hotel where GW3 and family stayed) https://html2-f.scribdassets.com/5zbix3y0ow6tp04l/images/7-f66b74f151.jpg
It seemed to me his opinion was his sister could 100% do this and he knew she was off since he was little. I'd have to listen again, but I recall George he thought was the nicest of all and Jake was always a little shady. He was not saying they didn't do it, but he was surprised about the boys, not at all about his sister.
 
  • #725
Yesterday 7:09 PM

BCI special agent Todd Fortner identified what the state hoped would be damning evidence, such as what is known in the gun trade as a brass catcher.

"It's mounted on a weapon at the ejection port to catch any cartridge cases that are ejected, usually by re-loaders to reload the casings. But it catches all that brass," Fortner explained.

Investigators also recovered a black ski mask from a gray truck that was registered to the Wagner family.

The property in Adams County was searched 13 months after the bodies of the Rhoden family were discovered.
There were so many items, it's no wonder that this is the largest and most expensive homicide investigation in Ohio history.

Firearms accessories were shown. So were grips for the front and rear of a Glock as well as a magazine loader.
The state was trying to tie Wagner to the evidence that was gathered on that Spring day in 2017.

But under cross-examination, defense attorney John Parker quizzed Fortner about a blue ski mask that was shown.

"You recognize that, right? Correct?" the prosecutor asked.
"Yes," Fortner responded.
"And where was that from?"
"This was in the black trailer, scene number three," Fortner said.
"OK. Are you saying that's related to the homicide?"
"I don't know if it's related or not," said Fortner, adding, "But it was an item of interest. Ski masks are often used in criminal offenses."

Sketches were also a part of the state's case today as prosecutors tried to draw a straight line between the Wagners and the victims.

BCI analyst Julia Eveslage examined the meaning of one drawing.

"Two colts, handguns, a tool kit, a cleaning kit, and two protectors, ammunition, clip, and two flashlights," Eveslage said.

The state showed a Walmart receipt for two athletic shoes and a surveillance image of Angela Wagner in the store on the date of purchase.

"Both of the shoes were gray in color," testified Jonathan Jenkins, another BCI special agent. "One was a size 10 and a half and the other was a size 11."

The state intends to show that even without the physical shoes themselves, the evidence they found matches prints at the crime scene.

Out of a tote pulled from the Wagner truck, there was some chilling printed copy that spoke to the enormity of the case.
"Three copies of a newspaper with the headline: Pike County, That's All We Got Left Just Those Kids," Fortner said.
 

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BCI special agent Todd Fortner identified what the state hoped would be damning evidence, such as what is known in the gun trade as a brass catcher.

"It's mounted on a weapon at the ejection port to catch any cartridge cases that are ejected, usually by re-loaders to reload the casings. But it catches all that brass," Fortner explained.

Investigators also recovered a black ski mask from a gray truck that was registered to the Wagner family.

The property in Adams County was searched 13 months after the bodies of the Rhoden family were discovered.

There were so many items, it's no wonder that this is the largest and most expensive homicide investigation in Ohio history.

Firearms accessories were shown. So were grips for the front and rear of a Glock as well as a magazine loader.

The state was trying to tie Wagner to the evidence that was gathered on that Spring day in 2017.

But under cross-examination, defense attorney John Parker quizzed Fortner about a blue ski mask that was shown.

"You recognize that, right? Correct?" the prosecutor asked.

"Yes," Fortner responded.

"And where was that from?"

"This was in the black trailer, scene number three," Fortner said.

"OK. Are you saying that's related to the homicide?"

"I don't know if it's related or not," said Fortner, adding, "But it was an item of interest. Ski masks are often used in criminal offenses."

Sketches were also a part of the state's case today as prosecutors tried to draw a straight line between the Wagners and the victims.

BCI analyst Julia Eveslage examined the meaning of one drawing.

"Two colts, handguns, a tool kit, a cleaning kit, and two protectors, ammunition, clip, and two flashlights," Eveslage said.

The state showed a Walmart receipt for two athletic shoes and a surveillance image of Angela Wagner in the store on the date of purchase.

"Both of the shoes were gray in color," testified Jonathan Jenkins, another BCI special agent. "One was a size 10 and a half and the other was a size 11."

The state intends to show that even without the physical shoes themselves, the evidence they found matches prints at the crime scene.

Out of a tote pulled from the Wagner truck, there was some chilling printed copy that spoke to the enormity of the case.

"Three copies of a newspaper with the headline: Pike County, That's All We Got Left Just Those Kids," Fortner said.

So far, the nine women and three men on the jury have only heard testimony from the state in a trial that was originally set to go six to eight weeks, but seems to be running behind.

Figure drawn in pic 4 (second row second pic) has "Keltec 12ga" at the waist, back view. That's not an average shotgun.

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  • #727
Figure drawn in pic 4 (second row second pic) has "Keltec 12ga" at the waist, back view. That's not an average shotgun.
Wagner's collected guns. Probably had a wish list. Sound obsessive over guns. Now they get none. Even bought a gun for a 2 year old. Cricket gun. Family gun lists on paper, phone, laptop.

Some guns mentioned belonged to George. George even
bought and tried to shoot a suppressor at Chris.

Totality of evidence. More and more likely George was at crime scenes and at least brought, held, and tried to shoot a gun at Chris.

Was a lookout, dragged bodies, and hid evidence, plus so much more including leaving footprints and buying and modifying and hiding in murder truck. Didn't he ditch the murder truck with some relative in another County? Plus his incriminating statements etc....

Evidence against George adding up.
 
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  • #728
W4 were obsessed with everything in their lives, so it appears.
 
  • #729
Does any of you Sleuthers remember the first few days after the murders, it was posted on a social media site the Pike county Police Department had a Officer posted at the Rhodens homes making sure nobody messed with them and one night a Officer saw a couple people trying to sneak around the hillside towards the homes but they got away it was said they was dressed in dark clothing and ski mask, JMO
Yes, I remember thinking someone wants to set those trailers ablaze.
 
  • #730
With all that they owned in vehicles, trailers, electronic gadgets, etc...where did they get their cash to fund these items?
 
  • #731
Yes, I remember that story, but it wasn't in legit news, so we couldn't discuss it here. It was in the news, though, that PCSD posted deputies at the crime scenes for a while after the murders. Spooky to think about someone trying to get in there. There were also people with ski masks on at the home of Kenny's ex-wife.

The 'people with flashlights coming through the woods' was reported in the local news, was that retracted? It was right before the trailers were moved. It should have been in articles about them moving everything.

That blue ski mask is the wrong color, isn't it?
 
  • #732
With all that they owned in vehicles, trailers, electronic gadgets, etc...where did they get their cash to fund these items?
The calendars read in court mentioned numerous trucking jobs for all three of the W males.
 
  • #733
Wagner's collected guns. Probably had a wish list. Sound obsessive over guns. Now they get none. Even bought a gun for a 2 year old. Cricket gun. Family gun lists on paper, phone, laptop.

Some guns mentioned belonged to George. George even
bought and tried to shoot a suppressor at Chris.

Totality of evidence. More and more likely George was at crime scenes and at least brought, held, and tried to shoot a gun at Chris.

Was a lookout, dragged bodies, and hid evidence, plus so much more including leaving footprints and buying and modifying and hiding in murder truck. Didn't he ditch the murder truck with some relative in another County? Plus his incriminating statements etc....

Evidence against George adding up.

Gave the murder truck to a relative in Athens county, before dawn.
 
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With all that they owned in vehicles, trailers, electronic gadgets, etc...where did they get their cash to fund these items?

Bethel Hill Rd house/property arson insurance money. Jobs - Jake and George did trucking and vehicle repairing - selling Peterson Rd. house and property, disability money, working for FWF and probably being gifted items from FW. Also they committed theft and would have sold those goods. Selling animals from Defiance farms.

Probably being given trailers for hauling from FWF.

Billy ran drugs and probably had drug deals going.

Trust funds. Loans.......FW bought alot of stuff for her kids on ebay, on line. Angie had worked for FWF at one point and she was into selling things. Even tried selling in AK.

Angie inherited her dad's house so that saved her money. Maybe Angie got some money from her mom.

Opinion.
 
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  • #736
I'll bet those trucks made money, some loads pay more than others.
 
  • #737
I'll bet those trucks made money, some loads pay more than others.
They transported cattle and probably many different items which, yes, some pay more.
 
  • #738
The calendars read in court mentioned numerous trucking jobs for all three of the W males.
It was interesting Billy, G & J's source of employment seemed to the Wagner Trucking Co, a family business. Maybe just enough income reported to collect Medicaid or other Govt. benefits?? An incentive to file minimal taxes? Govt benefits had been denied before for both G & J because they had no reportable income.

Per their calendar they certainly didn't have a lot of trucking work, only sporadically through-out the year of 2015. Would that income be enough to support their lifestyle?

Also noted, several supposed trips to Pennsylvania, Missouri, Nebraska and Kansas. Wonder what they were legally/illegally hauling? The property they tried to fraudulently purchase was in Missouri.

JMO, IMO and etc.
 
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  • #739
Yesterday 7:09 PM

BCI special agent Todd Fortner identified what the state hoped would be damning evidence, such as what is known in the gun trade as a brass catcher.

"It's mounted on a weapon at the ejection port to catch any cartridge cases that are ejected, usually by re-loaders to reload the casings. But it catches all that brass," Fortner explained.

Investigators also recovered a black ski mask from a gray truck that was registered to the Wagner family.

The property in Adams County was searched 13 months after the bodies of the Rhoden family were discovered.
There were so many items, it's no wonder that this is the largest and most expensive homicide investigation in Ohio history.

Firearms accessories were shown. So were grips for the front and rear of a Glock as well as a magazine loader.
The state was trying to tie Wagner to the evidence that was gathered on that Spring day in 2017.

But under cross-examination, defense attorney John Parker quizzed Fortner about a blue ski mask that was shown.

"You recognize that, right? Correct?" the prosecutor asked.
"Yes," Fortner responded.
"And where was that from?"
"This was in the black trailer, scene number three," Fortner said.
"OK. Are you saying that's related to the homicide?"
"I don't know if it's related or not," said Fortner, adding, "But it was an item of interest. Ski masks are often used in criminal offenses."

Sketches were also a part of the state's case today as prosecutors tried to draw a straight line between the Wagners and the victims.

BCI analyst Julia Eveslage examined the meaning of one drawing.

"Two colts, handguns, a tool kit, a cleaning kit, and two protectors, ammunition, clip, and two flashlights," Eveslage said.

The state showed a Walmart receipt for two athletic shoes and a surveillance image of Angela Wagner in the store on the date of purchase.

"Both of the shoes were gray in color," testified Jonathan Jenkins, another BCI special agent. "One was a size 10 and a half and the other was a size 11."

The state intends to show that even without the physical shoes themselves, the evidence they found matches prints at the crime scene.

Out of a tote pulled from the Wagner truck, there was some chilling printed copy that spoke to the enormity of the case.
"Three copies of a newspaper with the headline: Pike County, That's All We Got Left Just Those Kids," Fortner said.
There was another couple drawings yesterday that showed what appeared to be a layout of a house or space because it said 6 foot hallway. I wanted to try to compare the houses to that to see if any of them fit. That was rather disturbing to me. If they were gathering evidence like the layout and mapping it out to see maybe who should go in each and how much room they would have, it's just another piece that shows how evilly calculated this all was. I took a photo of my laptop showing it when I watched on YouTube, but I'll see if I can find a news photo to share. There were 2 drawings right after that drawing of the people with all the guns.
 
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