OH - Pike Co - 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue - 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested #76

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  • #481
Defense wants the monitors removed.

This is the media hearing held first thing this morning.

I posted it thinking it was a new live feed. My mistake.


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On BW doing it on his own the only real problem I see is him trying/having to get thru a mobile home window. A slight distraction is all he would need at CR's and the rest might be done secretly/silently.
I don't know if he had the you know whats tho to do it on his own... especially vs CR.
 
  • #483
Jmo they couldn’t even live together
 
  • #484
So my question right now is why did LE not collect GWIV's phone? Did he not had a single one after the murders except the one he kept from when he and TC were together? Has this been addressed by the prosecution?
 
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James Pilcher

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Talking about the moment when the Wagners became official suspects. Says they knew someone had shot a gun at Peterson Road that was later used to kill 5 people, plus the falsehoods from Billy.
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  • #486
Why wouldn't BCI intercept, separate and interview the 4 W's at the border going to, not coming back? That gives them opportunity to dump evidence in a foreign country or even flee from that country. AJMO
 
  • #487
I will grab more tweets in awhile so I have the one person testifying on one post.
 
  • #488
So, now we know the Wagners are suspects. Will prosecution begin narrowing guilt down to George?

The testimony is now back to Wagners crossing border.
 
  • #489
Why wouldn't BCI intercept, separate and interview the 4 W's at the border going to, not coming back? That gives them opportunity to dump evidence in a foreign country or even flee from that country. AJMO

At the risk of being incorrect ....

Didn't the "laser focus" happen after they were all in Alaska?
 
  • #490
I will grab more tweets in awhile so I have the one person testifying on one post.
You're awesome niner, thanks for all you do, it helps greatly!
 
  • #491
At the risk of being incorrect ....

Didn't the "laser focus" happen after they were all in Alaska?
I don't remember when Dewine said it? Scheider just said they decided the way to get them together but it was after they had that ballistics report
 
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Now where are we with the feeds?

Judge just adjourned on the media hearing and the current feed switched back to this morning.

Guess I'll be looking.....

Wow, embarrassing, I posted the wrong feed above.. I think.

I sure did and missed a lot of Scheiderer's testimony.

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  • #494
BCI was in the wrong state!! Who told them to go to ND?
 
  • #495
Why wouldn't BCI intercept, separate and interview the 4 W's at the border going to, not coming back? That gives them opportunity to dump evidence in a foreign country or even flee from that country. AJMO
I think it was the timing.. it was after the Ws left Ohio and after maybe when the information was retrieved after the raids. Also maybe they wanted to see what they did in AK,JMO
 
  • #496
Now where are we with the feeds?

Judge just adjourned on the media hearing and the current feed switched back to this morning.

Guess I'll be looking.....
On youtube tv app the live feed shows up right at beggining
 
  • #497

I am curious if their previous criminal activity made them paranoid. They seemed to really take it to another level. Assuming everything was bugged and they were being tracked. Not talking in the cars, using burner phones, using code words. I guess they didn't think about how suspicious it would seem that they were overly paranoid.
Yet they were talking in front of a female witness about incriminating things. And talking at Fred's.

Why not just have all normal conversations like your innocent? To be scared to talk shows guilt.

I've said it before and will say it again, the Wagner's learned about committing murder through shows like CSI in my opinion because...

They were extra careful about the crime scenes, not being seen at the crime scenes, killing witnesses, not bringing their phones, getting rid of evidence, tampering with the crime scenes, taking down security cameras, buying a truck for that night, using suppressors, phone jammers, sneaking around with people in bed, leaving no fingerprints or DNA. Getting past dogs and getting into the homes. On and on.....

But I think what happened and why they got caught and the other 2 will get caught, is because they did not plan enough about the before and after. They were so busy not to leave evidence at the scenes or to be seen that night that what they did before and after the crimes is sinking them. They didn't think enough about the before and after.

Such as:

Many Murder Kit purchases easy to trace, running to AK, admitting they can't talk freely, gun lists and gun purchases, custody fights, fake custody documents, threats to Hanna, the stuff on Jake's phone and keeping his phone, lying to BCI, lying to Chris Graves, incriminating statements, silencer in the cistern, casings on their property, keeping Angela's laptop with - gun list, plus TX downloaded custody documents with the wrong dates plus many screenshots of hacked Facebook conversations, all on Angela's laptop.

Hacking into Facebook accounts, planning to accuse Tabby of abandonment, abusing Jake's EX and threatening to kill her family, the 4 phones together, using Jake's address and rewards card, leaving custody documents and receipt for shoes, buying shoes at the store with the most security, the photo of Angie, Jake, George and kids in truck in Walmart parking lot when Angie bought the shoes......

The list goes on and on......I want to add, they seemed to forget murder has no statue of limitations and that there is this thing called BCI, not just local pike county LE. They thought the local LE would consider it unsolvable, Cartel drug related etc....and then stop investing it, considering it's a cold case.

They didn't bank on 8 murders down in very rual Pike County -- looking like they could be related to marijuana and drugs whatever -- as bringing in so much attention. Not just from LE and the Attorney General but also from a ton of social media. They saw the investigation wasn't going away and that's probably why they sold the Peterson Rd. farm and got passports.
 
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I believe crossing the border would have many restrictions... Maybe clothes could get thru easily but weapons would have to be inspected/restricted.

Their idea of getting rid of evidence is crumbling, burning, breaking and then burying/sinking on their property.

Doc Sleuther Holliday- Maybe smarts ain't your game Ike... I know let's have a spelling contest.
 
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James Pilcher

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Also got a wiretap warrant to put in their Suburban Yukon. This is June 2017 All four were in the same vehicle along with Sophia and Bulvine. Were planning to intecept them in North Dakota
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  • #500
I viewed it as AW ran the show and the rest followed. I don't think any of them could go out ..and survive..on their own
Their own little organized crime syndicate, controlled by AW. Not really an exaggeration as the conspiracy charges are often used for organized crime.
 
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