OH - Pike Co - 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue - 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested #76

[Myland]

Those brief phone convos gave good insight into Wagner family dynamics. Seems to be much discord within that tight knit group

Jmo kinda blows up the state theory of a tight knit family almost cult like. Billy couldn’t stand the little Bxxxx. And Jake wanted George to see if he could get the R to help him, who I took as Billy. State maybe shouldn’t have shown that conversation. And if that was the best of the conversation they had to prove conspiracy they may have problems. But of course is just foundation I guess.

 

[SuziQ]

Jmo kinda blows up the state theory of a tight knit family almost cult like. Billy couldn’t stand the little Bxxxx. And Jake wanted George to see if he could get the R to help him, who I took as Billy. State maybe shouldn’t have shown that conversation. And if that was the best of the conversation they had to prove conspiracy they may have problems. But of course is just foundation I guess.

Have you heard the term keep your friends close and your enemies closer? Don't forget they were close enough to plan and commit mass murder together.

 

[sunshineray]

DBM

 

[Chelly]

Jmo kinda blows up the state theory of a tight knit family almost cult like. Billy couldn’t stand the little Bxxxx. And Jake wanted George to see if he could get the R to help him, who I took as Billy. State maybe shouldn’t have shown that conversation. And if that was the best of the conversation they had to prove conspiracy they may have problems. But of course is just foundation I guess.

From those convos: Sounded like Billy had a great desire for Angela, physically and emotionally. I think Angela was already "over" Billy, keeping him at a distance, stringing him on, manipulating him. We already heard her opinion on marital intimacy.
For AW, it was all about WITFM....What's In It For Me...which was the grandkids and related $$$ gov child care payments and financial support from her sons and whatever she managed to get from Billy. My opinion

 

[sunshineray]

DBM

 

[dgfred]

Not a wise decision IMO to plan on killing someone... but ride with them knowing they have at least one weapon of their own. If the plan was murder/suicide (killing JW) the plan would likely not involve JW being armed. At least I would think so.

 

[Betty P]

Jmo kinda blows up the state theory of a tight knit family almost cult like.

I think it proves the state's case. Just like members of the Mafia or any other criminal enterprise, the members don't always get along. There are internal rivalries and disagreements, but the key factor is that everyone sticks together.

JMO, the Wagners pathological "enmeshed" family structure had it's origins in the elder Wagner family, also a group whose members were rumored to have engaged in criminal activities. Billy's parents exerted a tight control over their children and, likely, the people who worked for them. There were benefits to being in that group, but everyone had to stay together and share the workload.

 

[Betty P]

Jeez they're just ordering separation of witnesses now!? Can you say grounds for mistrial!!

Nevermind! No problem! It's a long, complicated trial with many moving parts!

 

[sunshineray]

Jeez they're just ordering separation of witnesses now!? Can you say grounds for mistrial!!?

Sorry about last two posts, will delete, I was watching back testimony from this morning and when I fast forwarded it just jumped to the first day's proceeding! Who's the n*mn*t now, my bad

 

[rescuemom]

Jeez they're just ordering separation of witnesses now!? Can you say grounds for mistrial!!?

look what day you are looking at -- I saw that too I believe that was day 1 because they're talking about opening statements

 

[dgfred]

AW cared for her 'boys' too. Regrets about just her and Billy doing the killings show that somewhat.
'too much for them' ... well, a little late.

 

[sunshineray]

Where did you see or hear that?

My BIG mistake...thought I was FF to the wait screen for today but went too far, youtube bounced me to trial's first day

 

[sunshineray]

look what day you are looking at -- I saw that too I believe that was day 1 because they're talking about opening statements

Ohhh you don't know how that warms my heart to know someone else actually did it too, thank you <3

 

[ColMustard]

Defense wants the monitors removed.

 

[rescuemom]

I think it proves the state's case. Just like members of the Mafia or any other criminal enterprise, the members don't always get along. There are internal rivalries and disagreements, but the key factor is that everyone sticks together.

JMO, the Wagners pathological "enmeshed" family structure had it's origins in the elder Wagner family, also a group whose members were rumored to have engaged in criminal activities. Billy's parents exerted a tight control over their children and, likely, the people who worked for them. There were benefits to being in that group, but everyone had to stay together and share the workload.

I viewed it as AW ran the show and the rest followed. I don't think any of them could go out ..and survive..on their own

 

[rescuemom]

Ohhh you don't know how that warms my heart to know someone else actually did it too, thank you <3

Life is always a test, isn't it

 

[twall]

They are back, don't know what is up with law&crime feed.

The Week As It Happened

www.wcpo.com

 

[Myland]

From those convos: Sounded like Billy had a great desire for Angela, physically and emotionally. I think Angela was already "over" Billy, keeping him at a distance, stringing him on, manipulating him. We already heard her opinion on marital intimacy.
For AW, it was all about WITFM....What's In It For Me...which was the grandkids and related $$$ gov child care payments and financial support from her sons and whatever she managed to get from Billy. My opinion

I completely agree with that. Where does George fit? The state said they started planning in Jan however Billy was still thinking court in February. To me and just my opinion I can see with only what I have seen so far Jake and Angela committing theses murders. Who’s to say that footprint wasn’t Angela. She had some serious issues.

 

[twall]

There it goes, finally!

 

[justtrish]

look what day you are looking at -- I saw that too I believe that was day 1 because they're talking about opening statements

Law and Crime on YouTube must have ended their live and started a new one. When I leave it up over breaks it's usually the same live when they come back. I had the same thing happen when they came back from lunch. It was instead playing something from the first day.