OH - Pike Co - 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue - 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested #77

[Chelly]

@jamespilcher
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14m

Showing timeline of purchases. Includes thread adapter allowing silencer for Colt 1911 bought by Jake in Feb 16
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[Chelly]

https://twitter.com/jamespilcher
@jamespilcher
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5m

Also bought a bug detector shipped to Angela using George’s Visa card in March 2016
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[sunshineray]

Only the audio tapes are in evidence.
Judge has not allowed transcripts of audio tapes to be entered into evidence. Judge has ruled for the defense.
Transcripts prepared by prosecution witness are open to her interpretation, thus the ruling.

Then why are they entered into evidence? If nobody is allowed to see them?

 

[justtrish]

I think it is because there is so much room for error in transcribing recordings that are so poor, our brains have learned patterns of speech, so we expect certain words to follow on from each other,

some Judges do allow transcripts, but that is usually when both sides have agreed that the transcripts accurately match what is being spoken, here the defense is not in agreement as to the accuracy of the transcripts

Why would they not submit their own edits then or be allowed to listen and disagree on some of them, but allow others. There were some played that were very clearly able to be understood and other maybe not exactly, but the gist of the conversation was very clear.

Canepa said the truck recordings will be more damming against George. Read this yesterday but lost track of where I read it.

I am guessing it's when BCI bugged their work long road hauler semi.

I hope this is true. Will post link if I find it.

I believe it was outside of the jury being there when they were on record talking about these recordings. She told the judge what was to come was 3-4 times more damning. I'll look for this exact info in the recording from yesterday and post it I find it.

 

[Chelly]

@Angenette5
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5m

phone calls were placed to the Cabela's Visa card fraud department on the same date: 3/16 and 3/17. That seems odd.
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@Angenette5
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59s

So, was George Wagner's Cabela's Visa used to purchase items without his knowledge? Remember, it appeared his Cabela's VISA and bill were found in the belongings on 41 on May 12, 2017 search. Did Angela have his card?
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OH v. #GeorgeWagnerIV

 

[joe jones]

are the computers playing up again, switch them off then back on again, it might work

 

[Chelly]

Why would they not submit their own edits then or be allowed to listen and disagree on some of them, but allow others. There were some played that were very clearly able to be understood and other maybe not exactly, but the gist of the conversation was very clear.

I believe it was outside of the jury being there when they were on record talking about these recordings. She told the judge what was to come was 3-4 times more damning. I'll look for this exact info in the recording from yesterday and post it I find it.

The law works in mysterious ways.

 

[joe jones]

@Angenette5
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59s

So, was George Wagner's Cabela's Visa used to purchase items without his knowledge? Remember, it appeared his Cabela's VISA and bill were found in the belongings on 41 on May 12, 2017 search. Did Angela have his card?
@LawCrimeNetwork
OH v. #GeorgeWagnerIV

I want to know why the fraud department called GW and then he called them in relation to his card, AW called the company about the jammer but there has been no evidence she purchased one

 

[Chelly]

@jamespilcher
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7m

One of potential purchases was for cell phone signal jammer for $500 plus - don’t know if purchase went through
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[sunshineray]

That's important. Who was he telling this to?

Little SR was showing him around the new home and DR was there talking also

 

[Pru2U]

The law works in mysterious ways.

Yet, knowing how frustrating it wold be to listeners, specifically the jury, I believe the judge could and should have arbitrated between state & defense. But I'm no attorney, jmo.

 

[sunshineray]

I want to know why the fraud department called GW and then he called them in relation to his card, AW called the company about the jammer but there has been no evidence she purchased one

Maybe she called for GWIV? Maybe they said they didn't buy it, someone hacked them? Fraud department, thats what comes to mind

 

[ColMustard]

Why would they not submit their own edits then or be allowed to listen and disagree on some of them, but allow others. There were some played that were very clearly able to be understood and other maybe not exactly, but the gist of the conversation was very clear.

I believe it was outside of the jury being there when they were on record talking about these recordings. She told the judge what was to come was 3-4 times more damning. I'll look for this exact info in the recording from yesterday and post it I find it.

I think it was in the morning, just before the jury was brought in, during those arguments about the defense playing the complete recordings.

 

[Chelly]

@jamespilcher
A $600 plus receipt to a Chinese Company HX to George's card in March 2016. Jake's card and email linked to brass catcher. Another order for a "Winter Soldier/Bucky Barnes" mask that was later linked to George Wagner based on later wiretaps.
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[sunshineray]

@Angenette5
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5m

phone calls were placed to the Cabela's Visa card fraud department on the same date: 3/16 and 3/17. That seems odd.
@LawCrimeNetwork

@Angenette5
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59s

So, was George Wagner's Cabela's Visa used to purchase items without his knowledge? Remember, it appeared his Cabela's VISA and bill were found in the belongings on 41 on May 12, 2017 search. Did Angela have his card?
@LawCrimeNetwork
OH v. #GeorgeWagnerIV

A scam to get something for nothing maybe?

 

[ColMustard]

Maybe she called for GWIV? Maybe they said they didn't buy it, someone hacked them? Fraud department, thats what comes to mind

Had me thinking the jammer didn't work and they wanted to dispute payment?

Like.. Hello, jammer company? I have your jammer in one hand and my phone in the other, how ya doin'?

 

[sunshineray]

How much does the defense team get paid by the hour, from Ohio taxpayers?

HA! ...that's a sarcastic laugh

 

[sunshineray]

Had me thinking the jammer didn't work and they wanted to dispute payment?

That would be customer service though wouldn't it? Fraud Department is just to dispute a charge that you're billed for and you're saying you didnt purchase. My card was stolen and somebody used it etc...

 

[arielilane]

Back for afternoon session of Wagner murder trial - Everslage back on the stand for cross examination. She picked out 10 videos out of more than 30.

She says that there were no more recordings after the one at the Rhodens' new house. Prosecutors now recall Eveslage for direct testimony.

They are now discussing the purchases and other financial records made by the Wagners.

Showing timeline of purchases. Includes thread adapter allowing silencer for Colt 1911 bought by Jake in Feb 16 https://twitter.com/jamespilcher

Email linked to Jake also ordered items such as drill bits, flashlights, and fillers for possible silencer parts.

Also bought a bug detector shipped to Angela using George’s Visa card in March 2016 https://twitter.com/jamespilcher


Calls into George’s phone indicated someone talked to Visa fraud unit about purchases
https://twitter.com/jamespilcher

One of potential purchases was for cell phone signal jammer for $500 plus - don’t know if purchase went through

Prosecutors having computer glitch with presentation - rebooting now it appears.

A $600 plus receipt to a Chinese Company HX to George's card in March 2016. Jake's card and email linked to brass catcher. Another order for a "Winter Soldier/Bucky Barnes" mask that was later linked to George Wagner based on later wiretaps.

Eveslage also reviews the shoe purchase at Walmart etc.

On cross - Eveslage can't say what that $500 plus purchase was from China, nor can she say the content of the calls to and from the fraud department with George's Visa.

Those calls came in as Angela was calling the customer service number of the company with the cell jammer.

That purchase from China was $630 - Eveslage says it was close to the purchase price of the cell jammer.

On re-cross - the amount is the only thing they know for sure. They couldn't find an invoice. And they tried to serve the websie legal process - that company also located in China and didn't respond.

On a 15 minute break.

https://twitter.com/jamespilcher

 

[sunshineray]

Ohhhh was it ordered from China? My kid once ordered sports jersey's from China, they took his money, nothing came.