OH - Pike Co - 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue - 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested #78

[Chelly]

Interesting location of the cistern?
Witness testifies that the cistern was located inside the old barn and shell casings were found in it.. Cistern was covered by debris.

 

[sunshineray]

I missed this. What is this about?

The forensic accountant didn't know, didn't find in his investigation, that JW had started a GoFundMe account to pay for his lawyer's fees in getting custody of his daughter after the murders.

 

[sunshineray]

I thought that Jake was small enough to fit under the truck and that George had to hide behind the mower because he was to big to get underneath the truck, JMO

I'm going to try and rewatch that part again, I'm remember both places coming into play also but that would mean, in my mind, that shots were fired from both JW and GWIV at CRSR.

 

[Skully67]

The forensic accountant didn't know, didn't find in his investigation, that JW had started a account to pay for his lawyer's fees in getting custody of his daughter after the murders.

Is that the go fund me thing.

 

[sunshineray]

Is that the go fund me thing.

Yes

 

[Niner]

James Pilcher
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Starting new thread for testimony of BCI special agent Ryan Scheiderer - who led the investigation into the Rhoden homicides.

Took several months from fall 2017 into early 2018 to go through the data that was on the family laptop seized at Montana border.

It also took awhile to get it moved from Montana to Ohio and then get search warrant to access it.

Agents by this time knew one of the probable murder weapons was a 1911 Walther Colt .22 - and then they found the pictures of that make and model in the backup of Jake's phone on the laptop.

He also got daily updates as lead agent on the wiretaps either in the SUV of the Wagners or on their phones. They also would provoke them with investigative activities to hopefully spark them to talk on the phone.

They removed the bugs in the SUV when the family went back to Alaska while it was on a ferry going north.

Now onto that new barn at Peterson Road. They knew it had been built in stages and concrete was used - concerned that possibly the murder weapon was put underneath or buried using that concrete.

Also says they could tear it down if they wanted and build another one after - got permission from AG DeWine at the time.

Another sidebar after defense objects to the form of the prosecution question on wiretaps and intercepts.

Says homeowner at the time was "very cooperative" with BCI in June 14-15 for the extensive search. Granted consent to search property - that's not what George and Jake told their mother at that time. Homeowner was communicating with Wagners - because BCI asked him too.

George and Jake told their mother on the wiretaps that the homeowner wasn't cooperating and that he wanted to get a warrant. But Scheiderer says they told the homeowner to tell them that. And that they didn't need to tear down the barn.

They did another search of property in 2018 - including the cistern in the old barn. Shell casing was removed from cistern. There was also a well closer to the house.



They brought in a dive team from Franklin Co. sheriff. That was it for direct - defense asks about the new homeowner and how BCI "used" him to communicate with Wagners.

Defense lawyer Parker asks about Gofundme set up by Jake Wagner asking for $20,000 for legal expenses for his daughter after the murder. Learned about it from the media - but didn't see it on the laptop.

The cistern was filled with sludge and black water and bricks - had been there for a very long time.

Homeowner only communicated with Wagners during June 2017 search, not the one in 2018

The homeowner communicated with Jake. But later Jake George and Angela talked on phone as did Billy. Defense tries to ask whether it was George worried about being sued but objection that is sustained - then another sidebar.

They are done with Scheiderer - breaking for lunch until 1:15 p.m.


link: https://twitter.com/jamespilcher

 

[sunshineray]

Yes, I recall that. I just want the exact facts. Was the Bethel Hill Rd. property ever in AW and BW name? I looked at the property website and FW and her deceased husband's trust are current owners. It is 845 Bethel Hill Rd correct? 117 acres last sale date 11/23/1993 with no sales history listed. Don't know how BW and AW could get insurance payouts on property that is not in their name.

I think it was owned by FW and her husband.

 

[justtrish]

Wow the defense objects to leading questions and then he gets going with George being concerned about being sued. He got rather riled up on this one!

I wondered after the testimony about the W's communicating with the new home owner and them saying they didn't have warrants and all and I thought it was said back then that they had the permission of the new home owner.

Seems BCI had warrants for the first searches in May 2017, but also was having cooperation from the new home owner by having him continue to communicate with the W's and maybe by playing dumb.. (not letting on he was okay with the searches) to see what they would say in conversations and texts).

Then the second search in 2018 BCI had permission when they went in looking in the cistern.

 

[joe jones]

Could this happen?

If the prosecution can prove G4 is a shooter, and he's found guilty, DP comes back on the table, evidence from G4's trial convicts BW on the DP, then AW and JW ... or at least JW faces the DP for lying in his proffer.

JW proffer whether he is lying or not doesn't matter, the state decides if JW has testified to their satisfaction, whether the defense provides evidence or elicits lies from him on the stand is irrelevant, the state will decide if JW has fulfilled his side of the bargain, and they have already said in open court that he has lied (not verbatim) during the making of the proffer, and that some of what he said does not match the evidence (not verbatim)

JW is all that they have left to put GW at the scene, as I have previously posted he has to put the Walmart shoes on GW feet walking through blood at the crime scene, so I expect the state will accept that he has fulfilled his bargain if he just regurgitates the proffer that he and the state have agreed upon

the state has bolstered JW throughout this trial, which is why we got to hear AW audio of her lying over and over to LE at the border, and her utter stupefaction when they began to reveal all the evidence they had collected, she then asked for a lawyer, we did not get to hear JW audio, where I expect he lied as frequently as AW, AC and the state appear to think that AW testimony is not as important to their case

 

[ColMustard]

Wow, Niner posted the lunch tweet and my feed is still on Sheiderer.

Edit: Disregard... I got behind on the feed when I went back and got that part number for the filter.

...and my feed just ended at 12:27pm

Lunch until 1:15!

 

[rsd1200]

Could this happen?

If the prosecution can prove G4 is a shooter, and he's found guilty, DP comes back on the table, evidence from G4's trial convicts BW on the DP, then AW and JW ... or at least JW faces the DP for lying in his proffer.

Would that mean that JW and if AW's doesn't line up, that a trial would be in play for them?

 

[justtrish]

They tried to chase her down? I thought they were trying to lose her.

I thought from the conversations played they were trying to catch up to her because they were trying to see if this was a BCI agent. (it sounded like he thought this car was trying to get away from them because they might have noticed it, like the random car that was a BCI agent wanted to run and hide so the W's didn't know she was there??) I remember him saying it was a certain plate and there was no luggage in the car or something like that. Pretty darn creepy and shows how paranoid they were.

 

[ohioexpat63]

I don't know why they keep emphasing the go fund me account. It has nothing to do with the actual murders. It just seems like another attempt to deflect. I don't know. Anyway, jmo

 

[ohioexpat63]

I think the only way the DP comes back into play is if JW refuses to testify. Jmo

 

[justtrish]

The forensic accountant didn't know, didn't find in his investigation, that JW had started a account to pay for his lawyer's fees in getting custody of his daughter after the murders.

The thing is I'm not sure it would be something that would show up as a bank account until it was put into an actual bank account. I wonder if a Gofundme shows up as a bank account on it's own? I assumed funds would need to be transferred out in order to use them or have them show up as belonging to a person. Anyone could start a Gofundme in someone's name. It happens a lot in these high profile cases to scam people out of money. Sometimes the Gofundme creators aren't even in contact with the person they are saying it's for.. just trying to scam smypathetic people out of money.

 

[joe jones]

Interesting location of the cistern?
Witness testifies that the cistern was located inside the old barn and shell casings were found in it.. Cistern was covered by debris.

one casing and the new owners had lived there for well over a year, so it might be their debris

 

[ohioexpat63]

As far as not knowing of different accounts, wouldn't a credit report list all open and closed accounts going back forever? I know my reports lists accounts that have been closed for a couple of decades

 

[ColMustard]

JW proffer whether he is lying or not doesn't matter, the state decides if JW has testified to their satisfaction, whether the defense provides evidence or elicits lies from him on the stand is irrelevant, the state will decide if JW has fulfilled his side of the bargain, and they have already said in open court that he has lied (not verbatim) during the making of the proffer, and that some of what he said does not match the evidence (not verbatim)

JW is all that they have left to put GW at the scene, as I have previously posted he has to put the Walmart shoes on GW feet walking through blood at the crime scene, so I expect the state will accept that he has fulfilled his bargain if he just regurgitates the proffer that he and the state have agreed upon

the state has bolstered JW throughout this trial, which is why we got to hear AW audio of her lying over and over to LE at the border, and her utter stupefaction when they began to reveal all the evidence they had collected, she then asked for a lawyer, we did not get to hear JW audio, where I expect he lied as frequently as AW, AC and the state appear to think that AW testimony is not as important to their case

Thank you.

Would that mean that JW and if AW's doesn't line up, that a trial would be in play for them?

After reading joe's analysis, I think the state will accept their plea agreements.

 

[joe jones]

I don't know why they keep emphasing the go fund me account. It has nothing to do with the actual murders. It just seems like another attempt to deflect. I don't know. Anyway, jmo

I don't know why the state keeps going over and over testimony, we finally appear to be getting to evidence that points to GW but I am still waiting to hear things he did in furtherance of any conspiracy

 

[sunshineray]

I don't know why they keep emphasing the go fund me account. It has nothing to do with the actual murders. It just seems like another attempt to deflect. I don't know. Anyway, jmo

I think it was just the fact that the forensic accountant guy never found it nor did the investigators tell him about it. So two strikes against that forensic accountant witness today because he also was testifying that purchases in one joint account with AW were GWIV's purchase but the account was really GWIII's joint account with AW.

Otherwise, in the scheme of things for this trial, JW's GoFundMe really only goes to show JW's depravity IMO.