OH - Pike Co - 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue - 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested #78

[Berrybell]

BIBM
I would not doubt that he'd not snag one outside season! I got the impression, though, that JW would have been more of the lazy, spotlight using, sort of hunter (who'd then likely brag about having sat in a tree all day).

The way CN spoke, about how much G4 loved to hunt, and had even dreamed of having his own hunting show, made me see a different side of G4. A side more valuable, than just being the big ole boy who went along to help move a body or protect JW, if needed. CN also noted that he felt that G4 was smart enough to have made his dream happen, had he broken away from the other three.

Planning, planting, and rotating out the food plots. If the crop rotation was set up the way that I understood CN's description, G4 would have probably had deer migrating through his food plot almost year 'round. Food plots take much more time and dedication than simple baiting. Then there's the sitting, waiting, tracking, being patient and quiet, all are qualities that can cross over to surveillance. I'd mentioned in the beginning that rather than the cartel, I felt it was locals with hunting skills. I think ole G4 might have proven me at least partially right.

It reminds that GW used his deer hunting skills of waiting, tracking, and the patience to hunt and kill the Rhoden/Gilley family. I believe he is more involved in the planning stages than what is being shown.

 

[CIA Team Member]

For Hannah to have actually been a child she was smart enough to see thru Jake then carry out her beliefs.

Shocking to see the emoji's with a female head followed by the gun emojis; all the way back in 2014.

 

[CIA Team Member]

In for a penny, in for a pound. I don't see GW4 taking a plea at this point.

same

 

[Betty P]

"You're not coming back? You will regret it."

Hanna: You used to smack me in the face and lay your hands on me

Jake: I'm not doing it anymore (paraphrasing)

She left then. I'd always suspected that. She left when he became violent with her.

What does he mean she should come back, it's almost too late.

 

[dgfred]

I wish the DP was still on the table for both of them... really wasting taxpayer's money is all they are doing IMO.
I bet if it was they would plead out of it.

 

[altojack]

They didn't have much of a close relationship like I thought they had. Jake was continually harassing and threatening Hanna Mae. She was very mature for her years.

 

[Pru2U]

I don't agree. She shops and buys the shoes, boys are in the car, loads purchases, takes them out when they get home, they try on and don't like them.

Could be possible.

Did you hear AW in the same interview I heard? The one in Montana? She was changing her story on the spot, with each and every piece of evidence they showed her.

 

[justtrish]

Agree. Hanna just wanted to have a normal family, live a normal life with friends and family. Jake wants her inside their cult family.

Then we saw what happened with Tabatha felt the same way as Hannah.. chased her off with Angela threatening to get a gun.

Now we hear Jake telling Hannah that she needs to get farm animals and teach her responsibility.. a chicken, duck, cow, and pot belly pig?? This is when Sophia is 16 months old.

 

[Betty P]

Jake doesn't want Hanna to use day care for S while she's working/in school.

Hanna keeps letting him know that she's not going back to him, its over.

Jake keeps saying he will always stay on his farm, so wonder about interest in moving to AK. JMO

Hanna: I don't want to be with you. He has Brianna (?)

Ohh, he keeps bugging her to take him back. Guys who are in controlling relationships with younger partners just can't let go of that control.

 

[Betty P]

He's bugging her to sign papers, she's refusing.

He's trashing her, saying she's a bad parent, living day to day (while getting her nursing certification and working?). Jake says he spanks Sophia.

 

[justtrish]

Who is Briana?

 

[Betty P]

Who is Briana?

Some girl he's going to church with.

Jake: I don't have a girlfriend
Hanna: Well, I know your mom will get you one

 

[ColMustard]

Does anyone know the date of the texts between HR and TC's mom? The "they'll have to kill me" text.

 

[Betty P]

Does anyone know the date of the texts between HR and TC's mom? The "they'll have to kill me" text.

IIRC, just a few weeks before the murders?

AC says source is Montana laptop and back up from Jake's I phone

 

[ColMustard]

IIRC, just a few weeks before the murders?

I think so.

March 2016?

Edit: These texts shown now didn't go that far.

 

[justtrish]

Does anyone know the date of the texts between HR and TC's mom? The "they'll have to kill me" text.

I will go look, but nearly positive it was in Dec 2015 just before Christmas.

 

[Niner]

I shall go ahead & post this & continue with another one.


James Pilcher
@jamespilcher
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Some of the early ones about where they are going to live may not be relevant going to take that out. But defense wants none of it allowed - it was before the indictment and is hearsay.

So they will be introduced, although prosecution is to make sure BCI's Julia Eveslage will read them monotone - defense was complaining that she had laughed once or twice before.

Eveslage back on the stand ... these texts were taken from two backups of iPhones from the laptop taken at the Montana border.

This is the first string between Jake and Hanna @Local12
October 2013 when Hanna pregnant with Sophia. Jake saying she won’t see Sophie 2 weeks at a time - she wants them to get their own place



Hanna says Jake may have to find out she's in labor another way. Hanna says Sophia will be living with her. Nov. 4 2013 Jake says he will take Sophia by force if necessary.

Hanna says they won't be able to control her like they did Tabitha (George's ex-wife).

Apparently Jake also didn't want Chris Rhoden Jr to hold the baby per messages before Sophia is born.

These started in 2013 and are going through early 2014. Now into March 2014. Another one where Jake says he will take Sophia and Hanna will never see her again.

At one point Jake says she is a bad example to Sophia and he is ashamed of her. He also accuses her of being rude to his mother Angela. Also says "you better cut off your finger now" when Hanna says she won't move in with Wagners on the farm.

October 2014 - Hanna talking about the relationship showing cracks. She says she feels like Jake is treating her like a dog or a robot to serve him.

Jake says he aims to make her a country girl like she says she wants to be. Says she's good 4 days out of 7

Later in October - Hanna says she's done ... that the Wagners probably got a lawyer. And that Jake probably wishes girl emoji with gun emojis.

Now onto March 2015. Arguing about brand of diapers. Jake saying they can make it work. Hanna says she doesn't want to be with him - saying he hurt her.

Later she says it's over. And Jake gives her a deadline to comeback.

Jake writes "Idk when but at some point you will regret it." Hanna later says he smacked her in the face and laid her his hands on her. [my correction]

Jake keeps trying to get her back in March - Hanna says "you destroyed me" and that she isn't coming back.

Jake now demanding that Hanna gets Sophia farm animals to take care of to make sure she doesn't turn into a "city slicker"

Jake says he needs to protect Suds (Sophia) by raising her his way - and that he won't have any children with anyone other than Hanna.

Jake says he is the decision maker - and that Sophia is not going to daycare.

In June 2015 - Hanna says living at the Wagner farm "is a living hell" Jake also asking for any texts from Tabitha (George's ex-wife) or pictures of her smoking pot.




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[Betty P]

I will go look, but nearly positive it was in Dec 2015 just before Christmas.

Yes, that sounds about right. Early on, DeWine said the plan to kill the Rhodens really officially started in January 2016.

 

[ColMustard]

Court received an email stating Jake's attorneys want to be present in the courtroom or have additional audio when JW testifies.

Judge said he expected AW's may also.

 

[Betty P]

Court received an email stating Jake's attorneys want to be present in the courtroom or have additional audio when JW testifies.

Judge said he expected AW's may also.

The more the merrier, I guess. Is this why they're pausing?

I got a phone call and missed the last part