OH - Pike Co - 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue - 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested #80

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Good afternoon from Pike Co. massacre murder trial. Quick lunchtime thread on continuing testimony from Jake Wagner, the younger brother of defendant George Wagner IV.
@local12

First up however more legal wrangling. George's defense lawyers subpoenaed the notes and files of Jake's defense lawyers - who in turn filed a motion to quash. Hearing at 12:45 on that.
@local12

@jamespilcher
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Defense lawyer John Parker has been much less aggressive and almost chatty with Jake - getting him to talk about his family and upbringing. This is most we've heard from Jake with long involved answers.
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@jamespilcher
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Defense lawyer John Parker has been much less aggressive and almost chatty with Jake - getting him to talk about his family and upbringing. This is most we've heard from Jake with long involved answers.
@local12
 
  • #963

[…]
The Guardian received a portion of Jake Wagner’s testimony on his first day on the witness stand. The Guardian wants to disclose that the audio was not recorded by a member of the media and was submitted to the Guardian’s newsroom by a courthouse source who is authorized to have their cell phone in the room.

[…]

The Guardian has closed-captioned the recording to the best of its abilities; some words may be omitted, cut short, or not properly transcribed. Listening discretion is advised.

Oops. Sounds like someone is about to lose their job. Do we have any way to verify the accuracy of this recording?
 
  • #964
There is no hearing of JW testifying, I will try to find the tweet I read
I believe it was dark clothes, mask and old man tennies/boots IIRC.

Of course not needed at CR's house really.
 
  • #965
@jamespilcher
But he got Jake to talk about how father Billy taught him to pick locks, steal and commit other crimes. Says his mother ran dog breeding business that faked where supposedly purebred puppies came from
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@jamespilcher
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Jake also admitted telling George he was going to hell because of his lifestyle almost daily. "I spoke my mind and people labeled me as an a-hole because of that."
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  • #967
@jamespilcher
Jake agreed with Parker he was "consumed" with possibility of abuse or rape of his daughter Sophia, even before she was born. Says he knew lot of women who were victims including his mother and sister in law
@local12
 
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@jamespilcher
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Says he wanted to stay in Missouri but George was insistent they go back to Ohio for higher paying driving jobs with R&L. So entire family moved back.
@local12
 
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Jake also said on wedding night with Elizabeth Armer, he used her phone to watch anime and saw searches for "white witch spells" and other witchcraft on YouTube. Says it raised red flags
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Oops. Sounds like someone is about to lose their job. Do we have any way to verify the accuracy of this recording?
The judge is going to lose his mind over these shenanigans.
 
  • #971
The judge is going to lose his mind over these shenanigans.

This is why they're so careful with these trials and hearings. They're probably familiar with these defense tactics.
 
  • #972
@jamespilcher
Jake said his father Billy was part of group called "super truckers" who took pills to stay awake and drive for days and violate rest rules. Says it made Billy "irrational ... more angry ... more ready for violence."
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  • #973
Well duh family... didn't BW read the warning lable on the pill bottle? He acts like he was on them still in that recording. Haha
 
  • #974
https://twitter.com/CFranciscoWCPO

Pike Co. massacre trial will begin soon for day two of defense cross examining Jake Wagner.
Since he has opted out of allowing us to record him… I will be stuck in the courtroom, and I will have to bring you the latest on Twitter during breaks.

Here's what's happened so far. It was a slow morning with Defense attorney John Parker questioning Jake Wagner. He was asking Jake to describe his childhood at first.

Jake said as a child, he was taught to pick locks. "I was very good." He carried a pick set with him at all times. He said his dad taught him to steal vehicles, evade detection, enter a house, locate surveillance systems.

He said his dad, Billy, was preparing for an apocalypse. Said Billy buried a bread truck on Grandma Wagner's farm, The Flying W... like a bomb shelter.

Jake said Billy taught him to steal. Jake said Billly taught him how to break in to vending machines to get change, shoptlift, steal vehicles and disassemble them for chop shops. Billy taught him to steal fuel from semis, stole semi trailers with contents like washing machines, hot tubs, food, shoes. He said he and his dad stole cattle from stockyards.

Jake said his mom home schooled him but would do most of the studies for him except for math and science. He was raised to avoid going to doctors. He said his mom bred dogs but would fraud customers by selling them pound puppies.

Jake said his family taught him how to commit arson. His mom taught him to burn down homes for money. He described burning down three homes and a garage. he said the last one they burnt down didn't cost them much to build because a lot of the material was stolen.

He said his dad was the type of trucker who would take illegal drugs to stay awake and drive longer than permitted.

Alaska: First time he went, Jake was 14. 2017, after the murders, they went to scope out properties. He said he would follow the murders online and at one point he commented on a post with a fake profile.

In Alaska, he met his ex-wife, Beth. He said he was looking for a wife to help raise Sophia. Defense attorney said, "Because you killed the other one, didn't you?" and Jake said, "Yes.”

He said Beth lied to him on their wedding light. He said he was an anime fan, and he wanted to watch the last episode on YouTube. He used her phone. He said her youtube history showed she had looked up witch craft spells.

When asked if he raped her on their wedding night, Jake said no.

As for Sophia, jake said he wanted her to grow up Christian, go to college and get a good career, husband and become a mom. "I just wanted a good life for her.”

He said "I loved Hanna, and it was not love at first sight. She grew on me." "She wanted babies." "I felt she needed to finish school, get a little older.”

He said they didn't want any of their children to be "dudtards". When defense asked him what that meant, he said a mixing the word "dud" and a slur or offensive word used for someone with an intellectual disability.

Jake said he didn't want his child to go to public school and be exposed to bad examples like premarital sex and drugs. He acknowledged to the jury that he knows he was exposed to that stuff, too, although he was home schooled.

He told jurors he thought Hanna gave up her parenting standards. Although, he said he would have taken her back even though she was pregnant with another man's baby. He went so far as to ask her to pretend it was his baby.

Jake told jurors he had fears someone would molest his daughter based on past experiences people he knew had like Hanna, Tabitha, a cousin and his mother.
Would like to hear how any of this testimony helps George, who was raised by the same criminals.
 
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https://twitter.com/jamespilcher

Good afternoon from Pike Co. massacre murder trial. Quick lunchtime thread on continuing testimony from Jake Wagner, the younger brother of defendant George Wagner IV.

First up however more legal wrangling. George's defense lawyers subpoenaed the notes and files of Jake's defense lawyers - who in turn filed a motion to quash. Hearing at 12:45 on that.
In addition, https://twitter.com/jamespilcher followed up with more tweets:

Defense lawyer John Parker has been much less aggressive and almost chatty with Jake - getting him to talk about his family and upbringing. This is most we've heard from Jake with long involved answers.

But he got Jake to talk about how father Billy taught him to pick locks, steal and commit other crimes. Says his mother ran dog breeding business that faked where supposedly purebred puppies came from

Jake also admitted telling George he was going to hell because of his lifestyle almost daily. "I spoke my mind and people labeled me as an a-hole because of that.”

Jake agreed with Parker he was "consumed" with possibility of abuse or rape of his daughter Sophia, even before she was born. Says he knew lot of women who were victims including his mother and sister in law

Says he wanted to stay in Missouri but George was insistent they go back to Ohio for higher paying driving jobs with R&L. So entire family moved back.

Jake also said on wedding night with Elizabeth Armer, he used her phone to watch anime and saw searches for "white witch spells" and other witchcraft on YouTube. Says it raised red flags

Jake said his father Billy was part of group called "super truckers" who took pills to stay awake and drive for days and violate rest rules. Says it made Billy "irrational ... more angry ... more ready for violence.”
 
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Jake said he and Hanna May didn't want their children in certain environments and didn't want them to be "dudtards." What's that? A dud is when you fire a gun and it doesn't work. "And tard is part of 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬."
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  • #978
@Chelly - I just wanted to let you know the @arielilane is gathering tweets from James I believe. Just thought I would let you know. :)
 
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Jake said when she started dating other men, "I guess you could say I was jealous." When asked. He said he was consumed and "overcome with fear" that Sophia would be molested.
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