OH - Pike Co - 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue - 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested #83

[Myland]

More big evidence: The state has shown an established pattern of family conspiracy to obtain and retain custody of the two minors. George signed the forged custody papers bypassing the natural mother, giving Angela full custody in event of his death; dated the exact same date as Jake signed the forged custody paper bypassing the natural mother and giving Angela custody in event of his death. Both natural mothers were living on the date those papers were signed. That forged paperwork is indeed solid evidence pointing out George was involved in that conspiracy. On Wednesday, we heard in George’s own words how that particular conspiracy was ongoing as the whole family was “laying low” until June 7 in order to claim a defense of child abandonment by Tabi.

This is solid evidence the whole family was all in on whatever it took to obtain and retain custody of those babies. Isn’t that the definition of conspiracy?

Jmo George signed paperwork to give his mother sole custody. He didn’t sign T signature. We don’t know that Angela stamped it in front of him. We don’t know how Angela presented it to him. In many custody cases, legal and legit ones, you hear one party state remain calm and let the other party hang themselves. Not against the law. T waited until the bci suggested to file before she did. Not blaming her but it was stated in court.

 

[arielilane]

The crime scene will tell you what happened, IMO. Did the state put GW4 at the any of the crime scenes? What will the defense have in store for next week? Curious if GW4 will take the stand...have an alibi?

Deliberation will be a lot, the ballistics, shoe evidence and AW & JW testimonies will be key factors. So much info, and a bit overwhelming. I’d be surprised if a verdict is quickly reached. This will be something each juror will remember forever. I don’t envy them.

This narrative is in my opinion only.

 

[ColMustard]

Oops, I missed that somehow, sorry..

Oh no problem, just agreeing... Did they? Doesn't seem like the whole story of the shoes is known.

And how do you only leave one print and not at least one more on the next step?

I even asked if they carried a shoe around with them to make stamps in blood. There's a lone shoeprint outside Chris Jr's room, and if I recall a smudged print in DR's kitchen (?). One in CR's and some blood found in the grass outside CR's ... Carried the shoe outside and wiped it off in the grass? How did the blood get deposited in the grass?

Rhetorical questions, not really looking for debate. Typing on the phone is tedious for me, PC died this morning.

 

[rescuemom]

After the judge didn't allow the audio of GW threatening the BCI agent saying he was ranting, makes me feel he wouldn't give him the DP! I still cannot believe he didn't allow that audio! Very disappointed.

I'm worried about that too! Assuming BCI agent listened to the audio himself and heard GW4's threat or Julia E heard the threat, then why couldn't either one of them testify to hearing it?? Then you'd think it would have to be played. Just wrong it was not played and like what has been decided on other evidence, let the jury decide what weight they want to give it.

Judge Deering lives in that community. He is retiring. Does he want that legacy?? This trial for him has been a whole different ball game. Is the law such that he has no choice but to put the DP back or is it up to his discretion or interpretation?

 

[RAISINISBACK]

I'm curious, by the evidence presented so far...
Do you believe that GWIV was home that night?
Do you believe JW and AW outright lied about everything they testified to? Do you also believe GWIV had absolutely nothing to do with any preparation or subsequent cover-up of the crimes?

I do not believe there is enough evidence to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that he planned or participated in the murders.

As far as covering up or finding out later his brother and mother was guilty of the murders, I believe he was shown the evidence against those two by BCI in MT. After that, hundreds of years of believing loyalty to family is the most important thing there is in life took over.

By the time of the 2018 screaming matches with jake he obviously knew Jake killed the victims, because he said "I should go to BCI and rat you out". George was plainly threatening Jake with going to BCI and telling on him.

I don't know how people got that statement turned around in their head. Maybe they should go back and listen to it again, with a better pair of earphones perhaps?

JMO

 

[Pru2U]

Oh no problem, just agreeing... Did they? Doesn't seem like the whole story of the shoes is known.

And how do you only leave one print and not at least one more on the next step?

I even asked if they carried a shoe around with them to make stamps in blood. There's a lone shoeprint outside Chris Jr's room, and if I recall a smudged print in DR's kitchen (?). One in CR's and some blood found in the grass outside CR's ... Carried the shoe outside and wiped it off in the grass? How did the blood get deposited in the grass?

Rhetorical questions, not really looking for debate. Typing on the phone is tedious for me, PC died this morning.

I think it might be important to note they only presented 2 full and CLEAR prints. It is highly probable there were partial and/or indistinguishable, unusable prints.

 

[RAISINISBACK]

Are you saying you think LE planted them there?

I don't think LE planted them there. I think Jake did.

JMO

 

[rescuemom]

It is supposed to be, but most of what I heard was evidence against jake and Angie.

JMO

Unless you ignore the conspiracy charge and they can't. I think they have proven conspiracy with all of them.

 

[RAISINISBACK]

It seems the biggest evidence tying GW4 to the murders is the shoe evidence and the testimony of two murderers who have plead guilty.

Then that makes me wonder why Canepa had the BCI agent to say they called in Jake, Billy and George to make molds of their left foot, but yet never told us if the molds of George's foot matched either of the left shoe prints.

<modsnip: accusations with no supporting factual link>

JMO

 

[RAISINISBACK]

One More Question Sleuthers?
Has anyone of you heard GW4 say on all those recordings that we have listened to that he has admitted to of ( I’m Not Guilty, Never Did Anything)
JMO

With all the screaming by him and Jake can any of us say with complete certainty that he DID NOT say that?

JMO

 

[ColMustard]

I think it might be important to note they only presented 2 full and CLEAR prints. It is highly probable there were partial and/or indistinguishable, unusable prints.

True but wouldn't they at least mention partial prints? Like, a clear print was made here and heads in this direction as it fades.

The one print was nearly perfect, with a fair amount of blood. On the next step there's nothing left on the shoe? I know it doesn't work like that on my shoes.

I think there's testimony from at least one witness that no other shoe prints were found. At Dana's maybe and by one of the LEOs, not the shoe expert?

 

[rescuemom]

Judge Deering, the prosecution and the defense attorneys has a private court Monday the first thing the the attorneys gets to do is, to go over all the evidence and photos then the defense get to make a motion to the judge that there is not enough evidence to convict GW4, that is the one time the judge can say he doesn’t think there is enough evidence to proceed to trial GW4 is innocent and free GW4 or he can proceed wit the trial Tuesday so I guess we will be setting on pens and needles until Tuesday! JMO

I'll admit I did not watch all of GW4's hearings. Was there never a hearing where the judge wanted to have an idea of what the evidence was against GW4 only?? I guess I'm wrong in thinking he was part of the 4 who were suspected of murdering the Rs and HG so there wasn't a need to separate the evidence. Why now??

 

[RAISINISBACK]

More big evidence: The state has shown an established pattern of family conspiracy to obtain and retain custody of the two minors. George signed the forged custody papers bypassing the natural mother, giving Angela full custody in event of his death; dated the exact same date as Jake signed the forged custody paper bypassing the natural mother and giving Angela custody in event of his death. Both natural mothers were living on the date those papers were signed. That forged paperwork is indeed solid evidence pointing out George was involved in that conspiracy. On Wednesday, we heard in George’s own words how that particular conspiracy was ongoing as the whole family was “laying low” until June 7 in order to claim a defense of child abandonment by Tabi.

This is solid evidence the whole family was all in on whatever it took to obtain and retain custody of those babies. Isn’t that the definition of conspiracy?

You have to be careful about established patterns. If I go to the store every day at 1PM does that mean I will for certain, without a doubt go to the store tomorrow at 1PM?

Conspiring to bypass custody going to a child's mother is a huge leap from conspiring to murder 8 people.

There are a lot of people who conspire with family members to get and keep custody of a child. You probably have someone like that in your own family or circle of friends. I know a girl who got her sister and BIL to go sit in a tree in 100 degree temps for 6 hours just to get a video of her ex husband hanging out with known drug addicts so she could get sole custody of the kids. I think we all know a family that would conspire to help a family member get and keep custody of a child.

But does that mean those people would conspire to kill 8 victims? No it does not.

Like I said, it is a huge leap from conspiring to get or keep custody to murdering 8 people in their sleep.

JMO

 

[rescuemom]

it is the Jurors who have sat through almost 3 months of sheer BS

That is what I have been saying.

None of us here are on the jury. We have no say in any of it. All we can do is post on here what we think. But people who have not been in that courtroom every day have missed tons of testimony because of opt outs. It's like trying to tell about the ending of a movie you have only seen the first 15 minutes of.

The people who have been there in the courtroom heard it all so they know better than any of us how the jury is reacting to all of the testimony and evidence. We would do well to listen to their thoughts and opinions.

Also the people who have lived in Pike County OH for years know way more about the area than those of us who have not lived there. They know the culture and the thoughts of the people in that area. We would do well to listen to them.

Add to that BS all the red herrings that Canepa has thrown in like the burned DVR, the endless hours of testimony about guns and casings she knew were not involved in the murders, those shoes set prominently in front of the court room, the tattoo, the wolf picture, all of which she dropped like a hot rock.

I know the jury has to be thinking "Yo what happened with that burned DVR? What's up with that and why have we never heard how that tied into the murders? And all those guns that were not the murder weapons? What about those thousands of casings we had to sit through that were not even the right caliber? what happened with those tests they did on George's feet and do the shoes match the tests? How about all those phone calls where George was not even in them? and all those screaming matches with Jake where he never admitted anything or confessed to anything?"

You know that jury has to be so confused right now.

If Canepa had just presented the evidence against George alone and not tried to present all the evidence against Jake and Angie and try them all 3 in the same trial, this trial would have been over in a week.

JMO

How could she not give them the whole picture of the W4?

 

[RAISINISBACK]

I think GW4's family thought George was too dumb to take part in any planning, plotting and coverup. All I learned about George in those tapes is he yells loud and a lot.

Yeppers. he is certainly guilty of having a good set of lungs.

JMO

 

[Pru2U]

Jmo George signed paperwork to give his mother sole custody. He didn’t sign T signature. We don’t know that Angela stamped it in front of him. We don’t know how Angela presented it to him. In many custody cases, legal and legit ones, you hear one party state remain calm and let the other party hang themselves. Not against the law. T waited until the bci suggested to file before she did. Not blaming her but it was stated in court.

Ahhh, but there is a lot we DO know.

*We DO know George had an attorney AND a judge already handling the custody of his son.
*We DO know it was Angela - NOT George's attorney - who provided George the paperwork giving her sole custody in the event of George's death.
*We DO know the natural mother's input was excluded.
*We DO know George signed it.
*And we DO know it was dated the same date Jake signed his.

Edit: We also know, in order for the document to be legally notarized, the notary must actually witness George's signature.

 

[rescuemom]

You just made my point as to why Jake and Angie threw George and Billy under the bus and took a deal to get him and his angel mommy out of being sentenced to the DP.

100% Jake knew they had enough evidence on him and Angie to sentence them to death. Plus he stated he was afraid of dying.

He sure wasn't afraid of sending 8 people to their death though. I think Jake killed all 8 of them with Angie's help firing that SKS. That's why they both took a deal and hung George out to dry. They knew what they did and knew what they were facing but like the cowards they are they weaseled out of the punishment they so richly deserved and tried to throw the blame off on someone else.

Samantha S told us how it always was. Jake did something, then lied and blamed it on George. If that didn't work Angie lied and told Billy George did it so Jake would not be punished. It was a way of life for Jake and Angie from the time Jake was a child and it is still a way of life for those two. A leopard never changes it's spots. A liar always lies.

JMO

What IF??? What if BW decided to talk and tell his story?? What if BW can fill in all the holes in this case?? What if he says both JW and AW have lied trough their teeth?? What if he tells who GW killed? Then what?? What could he know and what could he prove?? What would it take and would he be believed?

 

[RAISINISBACK]

Jmo George signed paperwork to give his mother sole custody. He didn’t sign T signature. We don’t know that Angela stamped it in front of him. We don’t know how Angela presented it to him. In many custody cases, legal and legit ones, you hear one party state remain calm and let the other party hang themselves. Not against the law. T waited until the bci suggested to file before she did. Not blaming her but it was stated in court.

I think Tabbi was established in a new life with a husband and two other children. She may have hesitated to file for custody because she had her hands full already or her husband objected to supporting and raising a son that was not his own.

At any rate it looks like she was very reluctant to file for custody of BW and only did so when pushed by BCI.

JMO

 

[rescuemom]

As a reminder please don't justify the killing of these victims and remember that there were babies at the crime scenes too. The victims have families that are seeking justice. May justice be served!!!

Timeline: A full history of the Pike County murders

The autopsy showed all eight victims were shot with the gun barrel touching their skin or just centimeters away.

The number of gunshot wounds per victims, according to the reports:

• Christopher Rhoden, Sr. (age 40): Nine (face, torso, extremities).
• Dana Rhoden (age 37): Five (head).
• Hannah Gilley (age 20): Five (head)
• Christopher Rhoden, Jr. (age 16): Four (head).
• Clarence “Frankie” Rhoden (age 20): Three (head). Two were “contact wounds” as indicated by soot from the gun on his skull.
• Gary Rhoden (age 37): Three “contact” wounds (head).
• Hanna Rhoden (19): Two (head).
• Kenneth Rhoden (age 44): One (right eye).

Pure overkill!!! Just like the movies they watched over and over.

 

[Pru2U]

Conspiring to bypass custody going to a child's mother is a huge leap from conspiring to murder 8 people.

There is solid evidence the whole family was all in on WHATEVER IT TOOK to obtain and retain custody of those babies.