OH - Pike Co - 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue - 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested #83

[Dudly]

I think we all need to answer to ourselves why Angie only bought TWO pairs of shoes.

My answer? Because only two people were going to the crime scenes.

JMO

Or, because the store had none that fit GWIII’s big feet… Just as possible…
MOO

 

[Johnny B Bad]

I think we all need to answer to ourselves why Angie only bought TWO pairs of shoes.

My answer? Because only two people were going to the crime scenes.

JMO

Because they where trying to Frame 2 Manley Men! JMO

 

[Cool Cats]

Not me Cool Cat
Raisnback can talk not enough evidence all she wants to, I’m still saying GW4 will be voted Guilty, JMO

She puts up interesting points I had to consider. However, after considering, I have to agree that I think the jury will vote him guilty. Most importantly, guilty of murder.

I think they will believe he went that night and knew what his family was planning and that he knew the reasons for what they were buying for the murder kit etc... Plus 3 guns and other damaging evidence that, what happens, it all adds up. You see the totality of all the evidence/testimony put together.

A long list.

 

[Johnny B Bad]

So did the judge rule on motion 29????

 

[altojack]

My head is spinning and I've got splinters in my bum, this fence is very badly made!

Oh GW4, did you, didn't you. You did, you didn't. I spent time having a listen to this and that, like most of us have done no doubt. Just needed to refresh make new notes etc. But the bloody foot prints keep getting in the way. Why?

those prints were set up. They weren't George's foot prints because how could he have made a bloody footprint at DRs place? Don't tell me it was blood on his shoe from CRs home, no way. George had to walk out of that trailer then where to, Frankies or did he hop there, before going to DRs.

Whilst I know GW4 is guilty there's just too much missing to convince me and then I'm back to that bloody print over at Dana's. Where was the blood on the flooor that George stood in to leave a print? There wasn't any.

I now step back and chill my mind, if I can and hope to get off this rough fence.

edit: I do believe that the Jury will find GW4 guilty.

 

[iridized]

I believe that the prosecution believes, as well as evidence shows, someone else is involved in these killings as well as those charged. Otherwise they would not have indicated a John Doe. That is not done, nor has been done in this district court as a routine. And the excuse that it needed to be done because "if" they find someone later then they would need to have them indicated so time would not run out on being chargeable. But that is not true as murder has no statute of limitations tied to the charge. Of course we will never see that evidence as the prosecution is picking and choosing what to show.

The state showed from the very start to be inadept. They charged FW for lying because she said Ebay instead of Amazon or amazon instead of Ebay over the bullet plate vests. The same vests that had plates dated after the murders were committed. Sloppy work along with other mistakes that have been shown in this trial.

Since the indictment of the Wagners, a number of things have occurred involving the investigators and prosecutors in this case.

Pike County Sheriff Charles Reader was convicted on multiple charges of misusing public funds (theft) and tampering with evidence. Unrelated to this case.

In January 2019, Pike County Prosecutor Rob Junk fired Brian Reader, the brother of the convicted sheriff -- who sat with the prosecution team during at least a couple of Wagner court hearings. Junk did not reveal the reason for firing him.

Michael D. Trout, an employee of the Bureau of Criminal Investigation and identified as a lead investigator in the Pike County mass slaying case was put on paid administrative leave last June for allegations concerning an unrelated matter.

<modsnip: sleuthing people not involved in this case>

 

[RAISINISBACK]

I still don't think Billy would have worn them anyway. He showed up to that meeting dressed like he would any other time he went to Chris Sr house. I don't think he cared to look super put together, but he sure wasn't going to wear old man shoes. If he only ever wore work boots, then showing up to a big drug meeting in something else might be odd. Billy didn't wear a disguise because he was supposed to be there, he showed up looking like he usually did and wearing what he would usually wear. I don't think Billy needed different shoes. The only reason to try to put shoes on Billy instead of George is to say they all just framed George. If Billy was always over at Chris Sr house then his boot prints being around there would not be unusual. Remember he always said hide in plain sight and act like you belong there.

They took those foot impressions because the shoe expert asked for them. They did all 3 because they were thorough. They were also trying to spark chatting about it on the wire taps. Only 2 people were going to the scenes in a disguise. Billy was showing up for a drug meeting in his regular work boots. The 2 that were not supposed to be there were hidden in the truck with the Walmart shoes on.

If Billy was always over at Chris Sr house then his boot prints being around there would not be unusual

They would if they were in blood.

JMO

 

[Dudly]

My head is spinning and I've got splinters in my bum, this fence is very badly made!

Oh GW4, did you, didn't you. You did, you didn't. I spent time having a listen to this and that, like most of us have done no doubt. Just needed to refresh make new notes etc. But the bloody foot prints keep getting in the way. Why?

those prints were set up. They weren't George's foot prints because how could he have made a bloody footprint at DRs place? Don't tell me it was blood on his shoe from CRs home, no way. George had to walk out of that trailer then where to, Frankies or did he hop there, before going to DRs.

Whilst I know GW4 is guilty there's just too much missing to convince me and then I'm back to that bloody print over at Dana's. Where was the blood on the flooor that George stood in to leave a print? There wasn't any.

I now step back and chill my mind, if I can and hope to get off this rough fence.

edit: I do believe that the Jury will find GW4 guilty.

You wrote:
“Where was the blood on the flooor that George stood in to leave a print? There wasn't any.”
There is no way to know that from what they have shown.
MOO

 

[altojack]

You wrote:
“Where was the blood on the flooor that George stood in to leave a print? There wasn't any.”
There is no way to know that from what they have shown.
MOO

You are correct there but from what JW has stated, all 3 were shot in bed. Did GW4 stand on one of the beds I wonder, he had to have stood in blood somewhere in that home to leave a print.

 

[justtrish]

Not me Cool Cat
Raisnback can talk not enough evidence all she wants to, I’m still saying GW4 will be voted Guilty, JMO

What I am seeing is maybe a difference in how each of us look at various evidence pieces. I see everything that has been presented as being important. I think the state has done a great job showing how they operated as a family unit together.. the 4 of them before anyone and anything else before the murders and after. They showed how they investigated this, how they narrowed it down, how they thoroughly looked at every gun, every shell casing, every lead.. all of it. They ruled things in or out and they showed us how they got to the point the did. They show the important conversations on wire tap. They had witnesses testify to their truth of how they saw things, what they personally witnessed or did. It doesn't matter if we think they aren't credible or that AC is just trying to sway a jury by showing xyz. They are showing the steps they took so the defense can't claim they were not thorough or that they missed something. The jury can choose to believe each witness and if they are credible or not, but that isn't for us to say.

I am like you I believe he is guilty. I don't need specific individual evidence showing George shot someone or said on a wire tap that he was involved. The charges he is facing don't require that he physically shot a gun in order to be guilty. I can look at the totality of evidence and my conclusion is they proved he was just like the others. He never separated himself from them, never once did he take steps to remove himself from that family unit. He even tells his new girl "friend" something about knowing it's not typical how close his family is.

 

[Myland]

Jmo three guns to me doesn’t mean three people. Going against crs, Frankie, or Kenny I would want to make I had a back up gun just in case.

 

[justtrish]

If Billy was always over at Chris Sr house then his boot prints being around there would not be unusual

They would if they were in blood.

JMO

Well of course if they were in blood, but I don't believe anyone intended to leave bloody prints. I think they were concerned with footprints, not bloody footprints. I think blowing off Chris Sr's arm was not in the plan either. I think that wound bled a lot and for whatever reason they decided to move the bodies and that is what lead to stepping in the blood. I think had they left the bodies alone, they likely wouldn't have left the shoe print.

 

[justtrish]

You are correct there but from what JW has stated, all 3 were shot in bed. Did GW4 stand on one of the beds I wonder, he had to have stood in blood somewhere in that home to leave a print.

Was the print at Dana's in blood? I was thinking maybe dirt/mud and if the rest of the house was carpeted, maybe that print was there because in the entry way it might be another type of flooring. I admit I don't recall much about this print, just the bloody ones at Chris Sr.

Edited to change Frankies to Dana's.

 

[Cool Cats]

Jmo three guns to me doesn’t mean three people. Going against crs, Frankie, or Kenny I would want to make I had a back up gun just in case.

True, but if 3 people went that night, 3 guns are more likely to have been used rather than just 2.

The jury might see it as circumstantial evidence and give it some weight. Or, they might not.

But yes a person could take 2 guns to a murder scene.

 

[Myland]

True, but if 3 people went that night, 3 guns are more likely to have been used rather than just 2.

The jury might see it as circumstantial evidence and give it some weight. Or, they might not.

But yes a person could take 2 guns to a murder scene.

Jmo if three went they would have took a couple extra. Maybe they did but they didn’t use them so didn’t need hide.

 

[Myland]

Did Jake ever say why they moved the bodies? I would like to know their reasoning for that.

 

[justtrish]

DAY 9: Wagner defense moves for second mistrial; juror gets sick; and media files lawsuit against judge - Scioto Valley Guardian

Scioto Valley Guardian

sciotovalleyguardian.com

I will try to listen to day 9 again in the morning and see exactly what was said. This article says the BCI agent used fingerprint dust and located the shoe print so to me that suggests it wasn't an obvious bloody shoe print like at Chris Sr house. I don't know if it was mentioned after this or not. The one shoe expert opted out right?

 

[altojack]

Was the print at Dana's in blood? I was thinking maybe dirt/mud and if the rest of the house was carpeted, maybe that print was there because in the entry way it might be another type of flooring. I admit I don't recall much about this print, just the bloody ones at Chris Sr.

Edited to change Frankies to Dana's.

well, there we go. Just proved how easy it can be to assume something. I don't mean you, I mean me. For some reason I assumed that was the second print and bloody. I bet it was a muddy print,more than that I will not say. I'm keeping my big mouth shut for the rest of tonight!

 

[justtrish]

Did Jake ever say why they moved the bodies? I would like to know their reasoning for that.

I don't recall seeing any tweets about it. It's possible he told them and it wasn't reported on. Since it was Jake testifying and he didn't say he moved them, maybe it wasn't asked then.

I wonder if it was because maybe Chris was in the doorway and they didn't want anyone alerted to what happened to them before they finished killing everyone else that night. Maybe just plain panic because they were in the living room bleeding everywhere. It did seem like they were trying to wipe up blood with that rug. Maybe hoping to make it look normal in case someone stopped by there.

 

[silenced]

I believe that the prosecution believes, as well as evidence shows, someone else is involved in these killings as well as those charged. Otherwise they would not have indicated a John Doe. That is not done, nor has been done in this district court as a routine. And the excuse that it needed to be done because "if" they find someone later then they would need to have them indicated so time would not run out on being chargeable. But that is not true as murder has no statute of limitations tied to the charge. Of course we will never see that evidence as the prosecution is picking and choosing what to show.

The state showed from the very start to be inadept. They charged FW for lying because she said Ebay instead of Amazon or amazon instead of Ebay over the bullet plate vests. The same vests that had plates dated after the murders were committed. Sloppy work along with other mistakes that have been shown in this trial.

Since the indictment of the Wagners, a number of things have occurred involving the investigators and prosecutors in this case.

Pike County Sheriff Charles Reader was convicted on multiple charges of misusing public funds (theft) and tampering with evidence. Unrelated to this case.

In January 2019, Pike County Prosecutor Rob Junk fired Brian Reader, the brother of the convicted sheriff -- who sat with the prosecution team during at least a couple of Wagner court hearings. Junk did not reveal the reason for firing him.

Michael D. Trout, an employee of the Bureau of Criminal Investigation and identified as a lead investigator in the Pike County mass slaying case was put on paid administrative leave last June for allegations concerning an unrelated matter.

Canepa's son, a habitual violent criminal sent to prison for 18 years in 2003, sent back to prison early this year on new crimes. One has to wonder if that turmoil has affected her work.

I believe that the prosecution believes, as well as evidence shows, someone else is involved in these killings

I'm not sure someone else is involved, I think the John Doe indictment along with the identical charges for the Ws shows the prosecution has absolutely no idea who shot who, who planned, participated, covered up without co-conspirator testimony. CN seems to be somewhat involved, as well, maybe to the same degree as GWIV had the prosecution gone that direction.

Very weak case absent JW/AW testimony which doesn't seem to mesh entirely. And AW wasn't even there, Right?
Unfortunately, the jury doesn't know the extent of JW lies.