OH Pike County: 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested#37

[CIA Team Member]

The Tale of Al Capone

Al Capone was a notorious Chicago mobster in the 1920’s. He was involved in murder, racketeering, illegal gambling, prostitution, etc. Eliot Ness tried for years to convict him of his crimes, without success. Who was finally able to send Capone to jail? The IRS. In 1927 a law was passed making the “profits” from illegal operations taxable. Capone was finally convicted and sent to jail in 1931 on tax evasion.

Illegal profits are often in the form of cash. If you have a lot of cash you need to either use it, hide it in a bag or launder it through a business or charity. FW appeared to have quite a few LLC’s and Non-profits set up.
I think that a sizable amount of cash must have been found during the execution of search warrants (for murder) on their properties. This opened the door for LE to request new and broader warrants to search or surveil locations relating to the evidence of tax evasion. The final pieces of evidence or surveillance they needed to charge and likely convict the Wag’s on murder charges might have been found during the tax related searches/surveillance. Just my speculation and opinions!

Though FW may think she has dodged the murder bullet now (bad pun), the IRS will make sure she is left penniless soon……

Curious to know more about FW’s Crystal Springs nursing facility. I find it odd that there were only four to five patients. Why did she initially get involved in that facility? Clearly it was personally profitable to FW in salary and lease payments, but very out of line with her other businesses & interests. I also find it odd that she requested a bond exception so that she could visit the facility. Had that property been searched before?

Curious to know more about FW’s “church”. A church could easily explain large cash deposits. I recall that when LE searched FW’s “church”, she complained records were taken.

Curious to know the reputations of FW’s accountants/tax accountants and lawyers that her empire used.

Curious to know how GWW IV got custody of his son B. If they were willing to murder to get custody of SW, I can’t imagine what they might have done to get custody of BW.

Curious why BW was not named GGW V. Looked the name B up on Urban Dictionary. Very interesting…

Curious to know what the other tattoos on III’s arm mean. I’m scared to ask there are any more tattoos on his body. Noticed they tried to cover his arm today.

Curious to learn why “Bob”? – eldest brother, cut ties with the family business and how long ago.

Oh, so many more questions!

New member, probably should have made my username CuriousOne!

I like you. I like thought-inducing questions I've never considered.

 

[Larry Levine]

Thank you to all Websleuths members for the warm greeting. I will be answering everyone's questions on the Rhoden murder thread on Wed morning 12-5-18. Hang tight and I'll be back with you. Larry

 

[Jennifer17]

Thank you to all Websleuths members for the warm greeting. I will be answering everyone's questions on the Rhoden murder thread on Wed morning 12-5-18. Hang tight and I'll be back with you. Larry

Do you have a law degree?

 

[Betty P]

I received a message response from Gitana1 on the question of charges being brought for all 4 members of the Wagner family

"If four people conspire to kill one person, and actively work together to effectuate the killing, it doesn't matter if only one person actually used the weapon and killed the victim, or not. Depending on the jurisdiction.

They probably just don't know who exactly did what but they know they were all involved.

It sounds like they're charging everyone with the equivalent to first degree murder for all the victims because they don't know precisely which one did it the physical killing.

However each one conspired to kill the victims and worked to cause their deaths through various means, so they are part of the crime and committed murder.

They're also being charged with felony murder. So if one charge doesn't stick another will."

Thank you Gitana1!

 

[Mudflap]

Actually, the Pike County courtroom would be an interesting challenge, no? If you have the right tools and supplies.....good scaffolding, etc....

O/T IANAP (I Am Not A Painter) but I can honestly see whoever controls the purse strings saying NO when asked to approve the purchase of painters tape. I can also see the maintenance staff (one or two people, perhaps? Dunno) rushing through the job and not wanting to take time to mask because they have to take care of a clogged bathroom drain or the grass needs mowed or whatever. IMHO.

 

[Hatfield]

If you listen at right about the 16 minute mark at this link from the NBC4 arraignment. The judge states that BW's attorneys are court appointed.

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=369679323608267

Sorry RSD saw you already posted this

Wow. That was sombering. So many emotions after it was over.

One thing that is very obvious. If you ever get in trouble and have to go to an arraignment that takes over One full hour for the judge to give you the charges, you know you are in deep trouble.

Thoughts and prayers for the victims and their extended family members and friends in this horrendous assasination.

 

[Betty P]

O/T IANAP (I Am Not A Painter) but I can honestly see whoever controls the purse strings saying NO when asked to approve the purchase of painters tape. I can also see the maintenance staff (one or two people, perhaps? Dunno) rushing through the job and not wanting to take time to mask because they have to take care of a clogged bathroom drain or the grass needs mowed or whatever. IMHO.

Yes, unfortunately the court is very busy and they probably didn't want to have it shut down very long to allow for painting. As you say, they're probably a bit understaffed too. Tight budgets and all.

Maybe the Websleuth's Pike County Rhoden Murders Team could offer our services as volunteers to do a little touch up work for them.

 

[Dudly]

Not sure if this was posted. It has a quote from LM....
Child custody battle was factor in Rhoden family massacre

 

[KentuckyMama]

Was LM there yesterday? I watched the video, but I didn't see him.

 

[rsd1200]

Was LM there yesterday? I watched the video, but I didn't see him.

I didn't see him either.

 

[Dudly]

I saw comments about BWIII not making eye contact with his sister. I just watched the video of him walking in several times. He looks at her as he was walking in, then turns around to look right at her again. Maybe that necklace had significance since she was dressed the same every time other than that necklace... She sure does look like her mother...

 

[Dudly]

Was LM there yesterday? I watched the video, but I didn't see him.

He was way in the back. You could just see a little bit of him now and then.

 

[rsd1200]

@Larry Levine Have you watched the arraignments, and if so, what are your feelings regarding body language of the defendants?.

 

[RAISINISBACK]

That could certainly make a big difference for her in her life. No denying that...

Think about this. FW is 76 years old. Her most likely heirs are BW and RW. RW is not married and has no children. Let's say they come back with a not guilty on BW. How long do you think RW is going to live after her mother passes if BW is out of jail?

She has to be thinking about the fact that BW and her other brother are her sole heirs. And BW has been accused of killing 8 people. I would be hoping for a guilty verdict if I were in her shoes.

JMO

 

[RAISINISBACK]

I noticed that, too. I watched the video now available and all that fiddling about in his chair done by BW3 seems to take place when the "charges repetitions" are addressing Frankie and Hannah G's murders. However, I watched BW3 closely and he doesn't seem to be listening to or being affected by a word the judge is saying at that point. His attorney seems to be explaining something to him. Other people might see it differently and I'd be interested if they do.
One problem is that the camera person is filming those in the benches when whatever is happening for BW3 begins. We don't see him from the beginning of whatever seems to be bothering him, imo.
(And he may not be bothered because he seems to have a sort of naturally grumpy face so it's hard to gauge what he might be feeling.)

Maybe he is agitated because he didn't actually kill FR and HHG. AW and JW did. So he is agitated because he doesn't know how he can be charged with their murders if he wasn't there.

JMO

 

[Dudly]

Think about this. FW is 76 years old. Her most likely heirs are BW and RW. RW is not married and has no children. Let's say they come back with a not guilty on BW. How long do you think RW is going to live after her mother passes if BW is out of jail?

She has to be thinking about the fact that BW and her other brother are her sole heirs. And BW has been accused of killing 8 people. I would be hoping for a guilty verdict if I were in her shoes.

JMO

I've wondered if she was hoping for a guilty verdict for everyone. She could do as she pleases with the farm and business then. No mom to tell her what to do. She may also be set to inherit everything. On that line of thinking, she could have been helping LE in a very subtle way.

 

[IQuestion]

PUZZLE8 Indisputably the most informative FIRST POST ever.... How do ya' put that secret back in the box? "If you have a lot of cash you need to either use it, hide it in a bag or launder it through a business or charity. FW appeared to have quite a few LLC’s and Non-profits set up." (It was post #672 of this thread.)
OH Pike County: 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested#37

 

[RAISINISBACK]

If you listen at right about the 16 minute mark at this link from the NBC4 arraignment. The judge states that BW's attorneys are court appointed.

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=369679323608267

Sorry RSD saw you already posted this

At about 12:30 to 12:44 the dark haired woman in the blue dress that sat next to RW comes out with the prosecutors and attorneys. She must be a member of the defense team.

JMO

 

[RAISINISBACK]

I wonder if, since he was arrested while in her company, if she is trying to catch his eye and let him know she had nothing to do with anything leading up to his arrest?
She just looks sort of desperate trying to catch his eye in court. I think she's trying to "tell" him something.

I would think that she could visit him in jail. She could tell him what she wanted to then. I just think she wanted him to see she was there supporting him.

JMO

 

[Jonas_Klein]

I saw comments about BWIII not making eye contact with his sister. I just watched the video of him walking in several times. He looks at her as he was walking in, then turns around to look right at her again. Maybe that necklace had significance since she was dressed the same every time other than that necklace... She sure does look like her mother...

When you don't look your family members face to face...