OH Pike County: 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested#38

[plumloco]

I'm not sure about FB, but here is an excellent article about her and her son. She seems like a very loving woman.

2 years since Pike County slayings, surviving child lives with fear. 'He's trapped by it'

Thank you, buttonbaby!

 

[Satchie]

It’s almost as if the 4 were afraid of being separated. Maybe AW preferred everyone together 24/7 so no one had a slip of the tongue.
Guess they never entertained the possibility of incarceration consisting of separate institutions.

Who knows. I think someone was afraid of going to jail, that's why they planned it so meticulously. But somehow they were convinced that they could outsmart police, no one would ever be able to prove it.

It's seems to me a pretty desperate delusion, considering none of them had ever been successful at anything.

ETA: as some have mentioned, maybe there had been past criminal success. But no mention of that possibility from LE.

 

[Dudly]

I'm not sure about FB, but here is an excellent article about her and her son. She seems like a very loving woman.

2 years since Pike County slayings, surviving child lives with fear. 'He's trapped by it'

This is the problem: Outwardly, B's a typical 5-year-old. But no one really knows what's going inside of him.
In the W's mind they were being saviors for S but destroyed the lives of four little ones.

 

[Trudie]

Question:

Of the 4, who do you think will flip first?

I think Jake. Was he persuaded or otherwise ordered to participate in this? Did he really want HR killed? I think not. I think he held out hope of reconciliation one day. As the baby of the family, was he expected to acquiesce to the wishes of his family? As some have mentioned, at least participate, even if only on look-out.

I firmly believe each legal team will lay this on the line, to their respective client: This is not a package deal. You’re in for the fight of YOUR life. I’m not concerned about saving anyone else, I’m trying to save you. Start talking.

I think death row/LWOP is going to sound pretty daunting to Boy Jake & if, just if, he did not kill anyone, he’s gonna start talking. With his naïveté, his lawyers can have him talking in no time, IMO.

 

[Trudie]

Who knows. I think someone was afraid of going to jail, that's why they planned it so meticulously. But somehow they were convinced that they could outsmart police, no one would ever be able to prove it.

It's seems to me a pretty desperate delusion, considering none of them had ever been successful at anything.

ETA: as some have mentioned, maybe there had been past criminal success. But no mention of that possibility from LE.

I bet AW was crazy if the boys were out of her sight. The fear they might talk, even amongst themselves & be overheard, etc., had to be enormous.

 

[Trudie]

What if the confidential source was a phone wiretap?

- "Hi, what's going on? Where are you? Cops are at your place?" - "if we are arrested,...."

Who was the most vocal again? G4? something to think about...

Anything is possible. We just don’t know. Darn it.
I did catch the prosecutor using “conversations” (plural), so evidently it’s not a one time event.

 

[grillzgirl]

How do we know the Wagner’s attended the funeral and the wake? If they did, I wonder how they acted.

 

[rsd1200]

Who knows. I think someone was afraid of going to jail, that's why they planned it so meticulously. But somehow they were convinced that they could outsmart police, no one would ever be able to prove it.

It's seems to me a pretty desperate delusion, considering none of them had ever been successful at anything.

ETA: as some have mentioned, maybe there had been past criminal success. But no mention of that possibility from LE.

BBM
LE may not know, and they'd not tell them. I'm not necessarily talking another murder. They got caught doing something at RedWing. How long did it go on? They got out of it, IIRC. You have spans of years when they have no record of illegal activities (stealing, recvg stolen goods), then out of nowhere, it appears they did it again and got caught. It makes them look like they are stupid and got caught every time. I don't think they just did it again and got caught, I think they'd been doing it and slipped up. If you catch a thief, most likely you didn't catch him on his first go round.

 

[IQuestion]

BBM
LE may not know, and they'd not tell them. I'm not necessarily talking another murder. They got caught doing something at RedWing. How long did it go on? They got out of it, IIRC. You have spans of years when they have no record of illegal activities (stealing, recvg stolen goods), then out of nowhere, it appears they did it again and got caught. It makes them look like they are stupid and got caught every time. I don't think they just did it again and got caught, I think they'd been doing it and slipped up. If you catch a thief, most likely you didn't catch him on his first go round.

Oh you mean like letting the statute for timely trial expire or "failing to convene a grand jury for their 2009 crimes????"...Yep, that's the ticket, and this ain't their first rodeo. IMO
I don't know how it happens, or what makes people behave the way they do. I can only call them grifters & con men who have the motto: Why pay for anything you can steal? and "Don't give away what you can sell to an idiot."
(imported little pigs from Viet Nam....really? I really mean REALLY? Who would know the difference? You could tell me your cat was pure bred Himalayan that cost $1200.... whoop-tee-doo, but at the end of the day, you still have to buy the same brand of cat litter.)

 

[Trudie]

I also think JW might develop a sincere relationship with his legal team and for the first time in his young life, make his own decisions.
If he can lessen his charges, would he avoid doing so, for the love of his family? I highly doubt it.
Again, with his naïveté, his lawyers will get him talking, IMO. It would not surprise me if they want to have trial #1.
Each day apart from his family, he’s becoming more independent from them. He’s realizing his mom assuring him “we will never get caught” didn’t ring true. As a lot of what he was likely told by his family.

 

[Satchie]

Question:

Of the 4, who do you think will flip first?

I think Jake. Was he persuaded or otherwise ordered to participate in this? Did he really want HR killed? I think not. I think he held out hope of reconciliation one day. As the baby of the family, was he expected to acquiesce to the wishes of his family? As some have mentioned, at least participate, even if only on look-out.

I firmly believe each legal team will lay this on the line, to their respective client: This is not a package deal. You’re in for the fight of YOUR life. I’m not concerned about saving anyone else, I’m trying to save you. Start talking.

I think death row/LWOP is going to sound pretty daunting to Boy Jake & if, just if, he did not kill anyone, he’s gonna start talking. With his naïveté, his lawyers can have him talking in no time, IMO.

I have to mention JW's hair, has it been discussed? It's not a trivial thing, even with being in jail he hasn't had it cut, he must be very attached to it. It makes him look very different from every other male involved in the case, especially his father and brother. I can't figure it out, whether it's about his relationship to his mother, or being an individualist, or trying to look like Jesus.

 

[IceIce9]

I bet AW was crazy if the boys were out of her sight. The fear they might talk, even amongst themselves & be overheard, etc., had to be enormous.

Well she has plenty of time to worry about it now. She has to know each of their attorneys is working for their client alone, not a deal for the group as a whole.

This case has “Made for TV movie” written all over it. If not “Major Motion Picture”

 

[Charliegizmo49]

BBM
LE may not know, and they'd not tell them. I'm not necessarily talking another murder. They got caught doing something at RedWing. How long did it go on? They got out of it, IIRC. You have spans of years when they have no record of illegal activities (stealing, recvg stolen goods), then out of nowhere, it appears they did it again and got caught. It makes them look like they are stupid and got caught every time. I don't think they just did it again and got caught, I think they'd been doing it and slipped up. If you catch a thief, most likely you didn't catch him on his first go round.

I don’t think Prosecutors are going to “need” anyone to flip.

Unless there are other murders or serious crimes to hang on any of them.

I think every hour if every day LE investigated this crime, they were diligent, dedicated and extremely skillful in obtaining everything needed and more to charge these people. I may be far off here but I think every charge has detailed facts and evidence behind them to obtain convictions. Court is always a crap shoot but I don’t believe DEWine, Reader or any of the Prosecutors for that matter is going to risk careers over an unprepared prosecution.

It’s going to take something very very unique and significant to need anyone to share information or get a deal in this case. This made International headlines. The National media will cover the proceedings.

I strongly believe LE waited so long was to pass the scrutiny of DEWine and many Prosecutors in his office. Had he been using the case as a political football the Waggies would have been in jail months earlier He didn’t. That tells me they waited for the piece found in October 30, and it’s not quite clear if it was a suppressor or something related to one.

I think the case is well prepared, well documented and will proceed on merits and evidence alone. No one gets anything on this one.

As always if I write it it’s my opinion based on my knowledge.

 

[IceIce9]

I also think JW might develop a sincere relationship with his legal team and for the first time in his young life, make his own decisions.
If he can lessen his charges, would he avoid doing so, for the love of his family? I highly doubt it.
Again, with his naïveté, his lawyers will get him talking, IMO. It would not surprise me if they want to have trial #1.
Each day apart from his family, he’s becoming more independent from them. He’s realizing his mom assuring him “we will never get caught” didn’t ring true. As a lot of what he was likely told by his family.

IF Jake makes a deal for a lesser charge by turning on the others it would get interesting. What if he tells his attorney he did not kill anyone, he has tried to stop this but he was afraid of the others, etc.

I have no problem picturing the other 3 aiming at the victims and shooting them at point blank range. But I think Jake still loved Hanna and maybe hoped they would get back together with their child(ren) some day.

OTOH Jake could have been so angry that Hanna was seeing two other men that he killed her himself.

 

[rsd1200]

Oh you mean like letting the statute for timely trial expire or "failing to convene a grand jury for their 2009 crimes????"...Yep, that's the ticket, and this ain't their first rodeo. IMO
I don't know how it happens, or what makes people behave the way they do. I can only call them grifters & con men who have the motto: Why pay for anything you can steal? and "Don't give away what you can sell to an idiot."
(imported little pigs from Viet Nam....really, I really mean REALLY? Who would know the difference? You could tell me your cat was pure bred Himalayan that cost $1200.... whoop-tee-doo, but at the end of the day, you still have to buy the same brand of cat litter.)

No, I just mean, that I think they've been more slippery than we may think. It's very bold of someone to think they could get away with murdering one person, let alone eight, in four different homes, that you have a familial connection to at that. What emboldened them? Possibly by getting by with other stuff that no one knows about? or was it fear? Fear of something the Rs had over them.

And yes, yes, I do have to buy the same cat litter! I actually have a Himi, along with another cat that someone dropped on me. Both eat the same food and use the same type of litter. We had one though, that would not. Mean ole girl. Had to have her own box, and if we ran out of her specific type of litter? Your shoes would be full. We rarely ever ran out, though, over her very long lifespan. She trained us well. There's always an exception to the rule.

 

[Charliegizmo49]

I also think JW might develop a sincere relationship with his legal team and for the first time in his young life, make his own decisions.
If he can lessen his charges, would he avoid doing so, for the love of his family? I highly doubt it.
Again, with his naïveté, his lawyers will get him talking, IMO. It would not surprise me if they want to have trial #1.
Each day apart from his family, he’s becoming more independent from them. He’s realizing his mom assuring him “we will never get caught” didn’t ring true. As a lot of what he was likely told by his family.

Why does everyone think Jake is a weak child. He’s 27 years old an adult with at least one child. He CI owned a farm, knowingly had sex with an underage adolescent.

He was part of one of the worst crimes I can remember. A kid didn’t participate in this crime, he was an adult.

His looks? Ted Bundy was handsome, attended law school, and was a friend of author Ann Rule. He murdered how many women? Evil lurks and comes in every size shape and form.

It’s time to treat him as an adult who is charged in 8 murders including the young mother of his daughter. He supposedly passionately loved her at one time. And was intimate with her in time to believe he may have been the father to her 5 day old baby.

He’s a big boy, and probably committed unspeakable crimes that affected a hundred family members. Time to treat him just like the others.

 

[rsd1200]

I have to mention JW's hair, has it been discussed? It's not a trivial thing, even with being in jail he hasn't had it cut, he must be very attached to it. It makes him look very different from every other male involved in the case, especially his father and brother. I can't figure it out, whether it's about his relationship to his mother, or being an individualist, or trying to look like Jesus.

I've wondered about his hair too. I think it may be a little defiance. No one in the family, can tell little bro, JW, what to do anymore.

 

[Satchie]

I don’t think Prosecutors are going to “need” anyone to flip.

Unless there are other murders or serious crimes to hang on any of them.

I think every hour if every day LE investigated this crime, they were diligent, dedicated and extremely skillful in obtaining everything needed and more to charge these people. I may be far off here but I think every charge has detailed facts and evidence behind them to obtain convictions. Court is always a crap shoot but I don’t believe DEWine, Reader or any of the Prosecutors for that matter is going to risk careers over an unprepared prosecution.

It’s going to take something very very unique and significant to need anyone to share information or get a deal in this case. This made International headlines. The National media will cover the proceedings.

I strongly believe LE waited so long was to pass the scrutiny of DEWine and many Prosecutors in his office. Had he been using the case as a political football the Waggies would have been in jail months earlier He didn’t. That tells me they waited for the piece found in October 30, and it’s not quite clear if it was a suppressor or something related to one.

I think the case is well prepared, well documented and will proceed on merits and evidence alone. No one gets anything on this one.

As always if I write it it’s my opinion based on my knowledge.

Would prosecutors also consider the effect on victim's families? Or at least they'd have to bring the families onside, IMO.

The families might not want any of them to get anything less than the DP, or, on the other hand, might agree to get it over with and avoid a lengthy, uncertain trial.

 

[Trudie]

I have to mention JW's hair, has it been discussed? It's not a trivial thing, even with being in jail he hasn't had it cut, he must be very attached to it. It makes him look very different from every other male involved in the case, especially his father and brother. I can't figure it out, whether it's about his relationship to his mother, or being an individualist, or trying to look like Jesus.

I’m hoping his attorney addresses his do. I think he looks ultra feminine.

 

[rsd1200]

Why does everyone think Jake is a weak child. He’s 27 years old an adult with at least one child. He CI owned a farm, knowingly had sex with an underage adolescent.

He was part of one of the worst crimes I can remember. A kid didn’t participate in this crime, he was an adult.

His looks? Ted Bundy was handsome, attended law school, and was a friend of author Ann Rule. He murdered how many women? Evil lurks and comes in every size shape and form.

It’s time to treat him as an adult who is charged in 8 murders including the young mother of his daughter. He supposedly passionately loved her at one time. And was intimate with her in time to believe he may have been the father to her 5 day old baby.

He’s a big boy, and probably committed unspeakable crimes that affected a hundred family members. Time to treat him just like the others.

Reading his FB, and interviews, he just didn't seem as mature as someone his age should be, he seemed rather naive to me, at least. However, he had a chance to stop this, like the other three, but didn't. Afraid of to say no? Was psyched about it? Idk. Pointing out that he may be the weakest link of the four is no different than pointing out who may be the strongest, smartest, or least intelligent. It's only speculation.