OH Pike County: 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested#40

[RAISINISBACK]

I’ve honestly never thought about that. It is widely known that a lot of murderers do keep trophy’s of their killings and again that comes back to the psychological aspect.

I’m not sure what I think. I think the bullet wounds and certain aspects of the condition of the victims has something to do with the extensive redaction. I also believe there was intentional over redaction in a sense to cause confusion. Some things that are redacted are easy to tell that it’s simple notations of that specific anatomical site being WNL (within normal limits).

Things that stuck out to me in the autopsies were HMR having a foam cap on her mouth as well as an ovarian artery embolism that was present before death. Both of those notations are concerning to me.

I still do no understand why CR1 was more decomposed than the other 7 victims. I also find it interesting that both HHG and KR has gunshot
wounds to the eye. As far as we know, they are the only two who were shot in the eye.

I’m rambling, I apologize. I could go on and on about different aspects that leave me puzzled. As always, all JMO.

Mitten what does that mean? What is a foam cap? If those two things are present what are the implications of them?

 

[RAISINISBACK]

Probably because he can. He comes off to me as someone who does things just because he can, ya know? Like smile while facing 23 counts, participate in the murder of 8 people, lie in media interviews, forge custody documents to try and steal a child. IMO he’s some kind of path-sociopath or psychopath. I dont know which. JMO.

I totally agree.

 

[RAISINISBACK]

Do we know for a fact that GR had hernia surgery or is it just speculation/assumption based off of the autopsy report? Also, if he did have hernia repair surgery, was it recent enough that any opiates he may have been prescribed were still in his system? Most opiates are only detectable (in the blood) for up to 4 days. That's according to this link: How Long Do Opiates Stay in Your System? Hydrocodone, Morphine, Heroin

JMO and IMO

Edit: not sure why herioin is mentioned in the link since it's not a prescribed opiate....but oh well.

Would opiates prescribed for a surgery be noted in an autopsy?

 

[RAISINISBACK]

From what I’ve read about ovarian vein occlusions after birth, the diagnosis appears to be very rare. One source states this happens on 0.05% of vaginal births.

https://www.hindawi.com/journals/criog/2014/898342/

Symptoms include lower abdominal pain, a fever and leukocytosis (elevated white blood cell count)

Postpartum ovarian vein thrombosis. - PubMed - NCBI

HMR’s autopsy mentions that the entire ovarian vein was blocked. IMO, she wouldn’t have been feeling very well in the many hours/day before her death. While she already would have been feeling sore and fatigued from giving birth, these symptoms should have been exacerbated due to the OVT, along with a fever and her body trying to fight the OVT. As a woman who had given birth just 2.5 years prior with her first child, I’m unsure why HMR didn’t seek medical attention . Perhaps she thought her recovery was just a little tougher the second time around. I don’t know. I guess I just find it out of sorts, especially since an OVT seems to be a rare thing to happen.

It really doesn't sound like she would have been out running around, driving and going fishing that day does it? Hmmm.

 

[IceIce9]

She did not have a csection. Her birth was vaginal. Per DR’s fb post the morning of K’s birth, the photos shared show a normal delivery room, no blue OR gowns or caps and HMR holding her newborn baby on her chest. Those aren’t normal occurrences immediately after a csection-I’ve been there and done that a few times. JMO.

ETA-that sounds rude now that I re read it. No rudeness meant in any way. Ahhh..sometimes the tone is lost in typing versus speaking. I promise my reply was kind.

Thank you, that makes sense. I was going by an article that stated she had a c-section. I think it was one that also mentioned KR. I will see if I can find it. It mentioned that JW wasn’t invited to her scheduled c-section, and that would be unusual if he was the father of the baby.

 

[RAISINISBACK]

His smiling and facial twitching in his most recent court appearance is disturbing. Why in the world would you smile at the judge while on trial for mass murder of 8 innocent people? The more I see of JW, the more creepy he appears. Something is very "off" with him.

Jake Wagner appears in Pike County court for first pretrial in Rhoden family murder case

Maybe it's all he could do. Like "ok you caught me. Now you know what I have done."

JMO

 

[Heather H]

She did not have a csection. Her birth was vaginal. Per DR’s fb post the morning of K’s birth, the photos shared show a normal delivery room, no blue OR gowns or caps and HMR holding her newborn baby on her chest. Those aren’t normal occurrences immediately after a csection-I’ve been there and done that a few times. JMO.

ETA-that sounds rude now that I re read it. No rudeness meant in any way. Ahhh..sometimes the tone is lost in typing versus speaking. I promise my reply was kind.

I think it may depend on the hospital. I just had an emergency c-section in January and as soon as it was over they wheeled me straight back to my room and put my baby on my chest. All pictures looked as though I had a normal vaginal delivery as well. But could be that I was going to have a vaginal birth but circumstances prevented it. I did not see the pictures you are referring to so maybe I am missing some key aspects as well. Just sharing my recent experience. JMO

 

[Johnny B Bad]

The W's were big on trophy's. All those deer heads in their house tells us that. So I am going to say it's possible.

JMO

Page 23 of autopsy report Frankie Rhoden half way down it talks about his (Penis) at the end of the sentence it is retracted, he is the only one of the males that I read it on has anyone else saw more than I have?

 

[Charliegizmo49]

I don’t know the size comparison between Billy Waggie and Chris Rhoden Sr but I’d bet Waggie could pretty well beat the crap out of anyone if angry enough. And that night was as full of evil and anger as I can imagine.

It will be very interesting to watch the Prosecution lay out their case, the order and time in which it occurred as well as explaining the anger behind each motive.

And in light of the clear and exact explanation of Judge McGinty referred to a few posts back, I do not believe any deals will be made. McGinty reminded me of the order of law. The entire State if Ohio will bear the millions expended to prosecute and defend the Waggies. The Legislature wrote the DP LAW and they will be tasked to find the funds to pay for it. That was a great column.

In totality this is a crime that deserves and demands death for those who planned, prepared and executed 8 human beings age 16 years to 40.

 

[Dudly]

I don’t know the size comparison between Billy Waggie and Chris Rhoden Sr but I’d bet Waggie could pretty well beat the crap out of anyone if angry enough. And that night was as full of evil and anger as I can imagine.

It will be very interesting to watch the Prosecution lay out their case, the order and time in which it occurred as well as explaining the anger behind each motive.

And in light of the clear and exact explanation of Judge McGinty referred to a few posts back, I do not believe any deals will be made. McGinty reminded me of the order of law. The entire State if Ohio will bear the millions expended to prosecute and defend the Waggies. The Legislature wrote the DP LAW and they will be tasked to find the funds to pay for it. That was a great column.

In totality this is a crime that deserves and demands death for those who planned, prepared and executed 8 human beings age 16 years to 40.

If the evidence is compelling as it sounds like it could be, I'd bet the Ws' attorneys will either try to get a plea deal or quit. That could be a long time off yet, depending on discovery and how stubborn the Ws want to be.

 

[Charliegizmo49]

Jmo but I don’t think W are behind this jmo

I strongly disagree. There would be a great deal of hell to pay, people would be fired and most likely lawsuits filed if they have expended tens of thousands of man hours, analyzed over 700 pieces of evidence and spent more than $2,000,000.00 and had the wrong people.

Although assumed innocent, common sense IMO screams the investigation is right on. Especially with the death penalty specification. None of this investigation was undertaken lightly or hap haphazardly.

 

[Gracie55]

A shot in the eye seems like a signal, “you ain’t seeing nothing else”. Surely all victims found in bed were not sleeping soundly. Maybe the first one, but would someone not hear something before the murderer got to them? I would. But, I’m a light sleeper, unfortunately.

She would've been looking at the shooter, possibly.

 

[Gracie55]

I don’t think guards would call him names & talk to him about his case. He might say they do but the guards have protocol.
I was hoping the Judge would say “I’m going to have you put in ad seg’ & you’ll be alone 23/7, no one will have access to you.”
I looked on the jail site, he’s in with some “bad boys”. Older, wiser guys. Guys I would assume to be much “slicker”, so he probably should just shut up. If he’s concerned already, IMO, he has said something & someone on the inside is harassing him. By inside I mean inmate.
The guards see these people in/out daily, over the course of their career. JMO

Maybe his face is showing relief at making it to the hearing without the "bad boys" roughing him up, so he can ask for relief in the form of being placed where they can't harass-or hurt-him. I'm not too sure the other prisoners like his type.

 

[MittenScarpetta]

It really doesn't sound like she would have been out running around, driving and going fishing that day does it? Hmmm.

It does not. IMO, HMR couldn’t have been feeling very well the day and evening prior to being murdered.

 

[MittenScarpetta]

Would opiates prescribed for a surgery be noted in an autopsy?

Yes. The medical examiner would contact all treating physicians for each victim and get a list of what prescribed medications they were currently taking.

 

[rsd1200]

Total agreement here with the broken bones. I also assumed the broken bones were bullet damage, especially the forearm. I do not think he was beaten as BMJ thought when she saw him. I'm sure he did look like that, though. He had to be a black and blue bloody mess...

I agree. He was shot nine times. Five in the face, three in the torso , once in the arm. His face alone, probably did look as if he'd been beaten.

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[rsd1200]

I picture them making statementnts at him like "How tough do you feel now, coward?" Something pointed about what a corrupt snake he is.
(Can they do that? I have no idea how rude guards can get or if the have to be as peachy as kindergarten teachers and remain professional. I'm sure their charges tempt them to react.)

There are good guards, and there are bad guards. There are some guards that will even "pay" other inmates to harm an inmate that they dislike. Those guards are no better than the inmates they pay to harm others.

 

[Cool Cats]

Actually, in other pre court pics, I’ve seen the same expression. Maybe it’s normal for him?
But coupled with his request for jail staff to not speak to him, does he believe he’s now “famous”. Has he self elevated to celebrity status? I’ve heard of (for ex) a rock star or pro athlete making an appearance but requests no one approach or speak to him.
For some reason, I picture him “blabbing” in jail. His mom isn’t there to elbow him, to stifle him.

The motion to "restrain certain parties from discussing the case with accused" is a common motion in notorious aggravated murder trials.

AW 's attorney also filed this motion for her. This motion covers a wide range of interpersonal situations and encompasses all the jail staff and court house employees.

In this motion in regards to jail inmates it says..."The State may not use an inmate as an agent to obtain information from defendant. Any inmate acting on his or her own or under State direction, based on the hope or promise that information obtained from defendant can be traded for favorable treatment in his or her own case or while incarcerated, acts as an agent for the State.

This type of action must be prohibited in order to protect defendant's right to remain silent and effective assistance of counsel. "

This link will take you to Google Search. There click on top link "Defendant's Motion To Restrain Certain Parties From Discussing"...(Ohio.gov) It goes straight to the actual motion used in Ohio.

https://www.google.com/search?sourc...0j33i22i29i30j33i299j33i160j30i10.Sd0Ntf-uzBk

 

[rsd1200]

She did not have a csection. Her birth was vaginal. Per DR’s fb post the morning of K’s birth, the photos shared show a normal delivery room, no blue OR gowns or caps and HMR holding her newborn baby on her chest. Those aren’t normal occurrences immediately after a csection-I’ve been there and done that a few times. JMO.

ETA-that sounds rude now that I re read it. No rudeness meant in any way. Ahhh..sometimes the tone is lost in typing versus speaking. I promise my reply was kind.

I had heard it was a c-section, too, however, she was alert and arguing w/her bro and HHG, just a couple hours or so, after delivery, about CG not being welcome to come to see K, so, I have to agree, I don't think it was a c-section either.

 

[rsd1200]

It really doesn't sound like she would have been out running around, driving and going fishing that day does it? Hmmm.

This! Either she had a high pain tolerance, or that story is just a story. Survivor's guilt? Especially considering that HMR had been arguing with FR and HHG just two hours or so after giving birth re; CG not being permitted to come see K. Would she leave the infant with CG's sis, so she could go fishing? HHG (and FR) who was pushing for CG to see K? Right or wrong, HMR was adamant that he'd not see K, just a couple days earlier.