OH Pike County: 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested#40

[RAISINISBACK]

They have an uncle W who does not live on FW's property, nor in Pike County, and from what I understand, has no criminal record, and is a successful businessman. They try to place children with family whenever possible. I said, "It may be difficult to take the children to onsite visits, due to the nature of this case" but based on MSM it does not confirm nor deny where the children are located, nor whether no contact has been ordered.

SW also has Robin, James, BobbyJ, Kathy and many R's including Tony. But they are all great aunts and uncles. I would think Lenny and Geneva would be first choice. I kind of think Kendra or MG might step up too. But I do not think any of the W's even know where she is because of Reader.

JMO

 

[rsd1200]

SW also has Robin, James, BobbyJ, Kathy and many R's including Tony. But they are all great aunts and uncles. I would think Lenny and Geneva would be first choice. I kind of think Kendra or MG might step up too. But I do not think any of the W's even know where she is because of Reader.

JMO

It's very possible, I was only speaking, in general, to what we know from MSM, and we don't know the children's status with Children's Services, nor anything about either father's termination of parental rights.

 

[Loomis124]

True, but...there are other family members deserving and qualified to take Little Suds in and care for her appropriately. I pray God chooses the right ones, for only He knows best. Prayers and tears daily for the little ones caught up in this nightmare.

 

[Loomis124]

SW also has Robin, James, BobbyJ, Kathy and many R's including Tony. But they are all great aunts and uncles. I would think Lenny and Geneva would be first choice. I kind of think Kendra or MG might step up too. But I do not think any of the W's even know where she is because of Reader.

JMO

 

[Loomis124]

What does "because of Reader" imply? I hope it's a positive answer. Thank you. I admire your posts.

 

[Jacqueline]

I do agree that it was extreme. Most HBJ is small things. I’ve witnessed some vicious fights over it. I know of a few murders due to it, but they can’t be proven. If you aim to protect your family, even if you’ve moved, you have to mind your business. I always kept the few families I know on my better side. The Ws took it to a massive unusual extreme. It is a type of gang mentality. The majority of us “hillbillies” are kind, generous and try to be understanding. The HBJ thing is NOT as common as it once was. JMO

Can you tell me what is HBJ stand for. Sorry i am not good on initials ...

 

[Trudie]

It's very possible, I was only speaking, in general, to what we know from MSM, and we don't know the children's status with Children's Services, nor anything about either father's termination of parental rights.

Rsd, we’ve been discussing the rights of a parent to have visitation while incarcerated, on the Berreth thread. It’s pretty much mandatory, if the parent asks for it. We have 3 verified attorneys and I think two chimed in. The only way visits are not granted is if the incarcerated commited a crime against a child, moo. Even if the incarcerated parent killed the other parent, his rights are not terminated. Down the road, depending on sentence, etc., they might be terminated. Prairie Wind (atty) has a client serving ten years that has court ordered Skype with his kids. Kelsey’s baby dad is in jail charged with murdering her, her mom has petitioned for custody. He was brought from his cell to the custody hearing, to give his two cents, as he is the father. MOO
Motion to Terminate Parental Rights in Ohio

Do imprisoned parents have any child custody rights? | Thompson Family Law, P.A.

 

[Charliegizmo49]

You sure wrote a lot but what did it have to do with the state taking a plea deal to keep from going bankrupt trying to put these four on trail for the death penalty? There is nothing more expensive than a DP case and there are FOUR in this case. There is an automatic appeal in any death penalty sentence. There is nothing more expensive than keeping someone on death row because of the constant appeals. Why would the state and county prefer to spend millions just to attempt to get a death penalty when it would be much, much, cheaper to let them appeal to LOP and save millions. A jury, as you said, needs one person to stop it. Why take that chance when LOP gets the same effect?

Because it’s a part of the judicial process in the greatest country on earth.

It’s the law. And I can tell you this for certain, none of the individuals who made the decision to charge with death penalty specs. made it lightly. It meets the severity of this heinous crime.

If found guilty;

The Wagner 4

Took over 300 years of anticipated living time from the Rhodens.

They took the lives of the young who had everything to look forward to.

They killed the mothers and fathers of children

They violated every sense of regard for human life.

Period

 

[Charliegizmo49]

The State does have a process to terminate parental rights. I don’t know hw fast it can be done but they do have to go through a formal court process.

 

[Jonas_Klein]

Can you tell me what is HBJ stand for. Sorry i am not good on initials ...

Hillbilly Justice?

 

[rsd1200]

Rsd, we’ve been discussing the rights of a parent to have visitation while incarcerated, on the Berreth thread. It’s pretty much mandatory, if the parent asks for it. We have 3 verified attorneys and I think two chimed in. The only way visits are not granted is if the incarcerated commited a crime against a child, moo. Even if the incarcerated parent killed the other parent, his rights are not terminated. Down the road, depending on sentence, etc., they might be terminated. Prairie Wind (atty) has a client serving ten years that has court ordered Skype with his kids. Kelsey’s baby dad is in jail charged with murdering her, her mom has petitioned for custody. He was brought from his cell to the custody hearing, to give his two cents, as he is the father. MOO

I thought this to be the case in most instances. Many children visit a parent(s) who may be incarcerated for a broad variety of offenses.

 

[Trudie]

I thought this to be the case in most instances. Many children visit a parent(s) who may be incarcerated for a broad variety of offenses.

Machete Melanie McGuires sis in law had to bring Mel’s boys to state prison, iirc. She was awarded custody & that was part of the deal.

Moo

 

[Jacqueline]

Hillbilly Justice?

Thank you ...

 

[Dudly]

Dudley,
You wrote,
1. "There is nothing more expensive than a DP case and there are FOUR in this case.
Justice says, "There is nothing worth one human life, let alone EIGHT human lives in this case."
2. You wrote, "There is nothing more expensive than keeping someone on death row because of constant appeals." Justice says, "Because the EIGHT victims' families deserve to Observe justice being meted out to the killers of their loved ones. And...who can put a price on a human life?
3. Why would the state and county prefer to spend millions just to attempt to get a death penalty when it would be much cheaper to let them appeal to LWP and save millions?"
Justice says, "I come in all shapes and forms. Do not be deceived." Consider the perps getting to have visitors. Justice? IMO, no. "The victims didn't even get a fair trial for alleged, rumoredwrongs.

You said, "Why take that chance when LOP gets the same effect?" Huh? For real?

All my comments are my humble opinion

Yes, LOP is as effective as the DP in keeping people off the streets forever. Do you think people with LOP get to leave prison and come back? The judicial system can't use the public's wants and desires for sentencing. People on death row can be there for many years. During that time they will still get to have the visitors you mention. Death row is not solitary confinement and even some people in solitary confinement are allowed to see visitors.

 

[Trudie]

They have an uncle W who does not live on FW's property, nor in Pike County, and from what I understand, has no criminal record, and is a successful businessman. They try to place children with family whenever possible. I said, "It may be difficult to take the children to onsite visits, due to the nature of this case" but based on MSM it does not confirm nor deny where the children are located, nor whether no contact has been ordered.

What about RW?

Also, more info on parental rights

Terminating Visitation Due to Incarceration

Can the Family Court terminate the parental rights of an incarcerated inmate? - Vitetta Family Law

There’s a possibility if an inmate can pay support payments, they never lose their constitutionally protected parental rights, imo.

 

[rsd1200]

I was reading an article written by a serial killers daughter, who had a lot of emotions to deal with over the years after she found out who and what her father was. I'll link it below, but, in this article, I found something else interesting, she said that her father "would wear cycling shoes that didn't leave a distinctive print in the mud".

Cycling Shoes at Walmart
https://www.walmart.com/ip/BONT-Riot-Road-BOA-Cycling-Shoe-Euro-43-Pearl-White-Black/488227978

Article
My life as a serial killer’s daughter

 

[Trudie]

Good read for a rainy night! Ty

 

[rsd1200]

What about RW?

Can the Family Court terminate the parental rights of an incarcerated inmate? - Vitetta Family Law

Unsure with RW living on FWF, and FW living on the property also, w/this type of case, otherwise, if she had no hand in it and was suitable, the Family Court could decide in her favor if she should apply. Families take children to see their parents on visiting days, at county, and at state, lockups everyday, it's not uncommon at all. As the children grow older, based on individual cases, they may make some difficult decisions as they understand more about why their parent is there.

 

[IQuestion]

Can you tell me what is HBJ stand for. Sorry i am not good on initials ...

Jacqueline...in our current/recent discussion I used those initials, instead of typing out Hill Billy Justice, when I was responded to poster StarEyes.
I don't like the term when it is applied in the deaths of 8 human beings... the term seems too dismissive under the circumstances. It has a 3rd world connotation that seems to explain the most insane actions possible. Reminds me of people dismissing the precious life of a teenage girl, killed by her parents as "an honor killing"....HONOR?? in whose eyes? Comparatively using the term "domestic violence" DOMESTIC?? in whose eyes? Or in this horrid case using the term "Hillbilly Justice"...JUSTICE?? in whose eyes? The references to the Hatfields & McCoys harkens back to events occurring 150 years ago.... sickeningly it appears the same themes still exist. However, this time no amount of wealth, political connections or intimidation will stop this case from going to trial. Of course, IMO. (Murder is murder....regardless of it being called a colloquial oxymoron, it is something far worse than anyone can imagine,)

 

[Charliegizmo49]

Hillbilly Justice?

Yes

Unsure with RW living on FWF, and FW living on the property also, w/this type of case, otherwise, if she had no hand in it and was suitable, the Family Court could decide in her favor if she should apply. Families take children to see their parents on visiting days, at county, and at state, lockups everyday, it's not uncommon at all. As the children grow older, based on individual cases, they may make some difficult decisions as they understand more about why their parent is there.

I would think that little girl is going to need a tremendous amount of love, patience, understanding and professional help. She’s going to have a difficult time because she’ll remember. And some day maybe kids at school will tell her rudely that your Daddy killed your mama. She’s at a stage where she’ll remember what is going in around her today. BW as well. And the other babies to a lesser degree.

This is the part of this idiotic plan that the Waggies couldn’t have thought of the consequences. Those will impact all the kids involved for decades. It doesn’t make sense to me.
I don’t think the State will place her anywhere Fred. And I strongly agree.