OH Pike County: 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested#40

[Sleuthinsleuther]

Yes


I would think that little girl is going to need a tremendous amount of love, patience, understanding and professional help. She’s going to have a difficult time because she’ll remember. And some day maybe kids at school will tell her rudely that your Daddy killed your mama. She’s at a stage where she’ll remember what is going in around her today. BW as well. And the other babies to a lesser degree.

This is the part of this idiotic plan that the Waggies couldn’t have thought of the consequences. Those will impact all the kids involved for decades. It doesn’t make sense to me.
I don’t think the State will place her anywhere Fred. And I strongly agree.

They didn’t plan on getting caught. In fact, I believe atleast one or more incriminated themselves AFTER the fact as well.

 

[RAISINISBACK]

What does "because of Reader" imply? I hope it's a positive answer. Thank you. I admire your posts.

It is a very positive answer. I like Sheriff Reader and think he did the right thing considering the children. After the murders little K and R were taken into states custody. When relatives applied for custody Sheriff Reader went to the judge and fought tooth and nail to keep them both in states custody saying that to release their location would put both children and their caretakers in grave danger.

I really do think the same is being done with SW right now. Keep in mind the motive for this crime. Also keep in mind that Fred and Rita are out of jail and can make all the phone calls they want to. So I cannot see Reader allowing them or any W's to know the location of SW.

I enjoy your posts also.

JMO

 

[RAISINISBACK]

It's very possible, I was only speaking, in general, to what we know from MSM, and we don't know the children's status with Children's Services, nor anything about either father's termination of parental rights.

No we don't. But what I am saying is whether Jake has the right to see or talk to SW, I cannot see anyone caring for her taking her to see him or accepting any phone calls from him, that's if he even knows where she is.

Don't forget the secrecy in this case from the start, especially where the children (K and R) are concerned. So there is a good possibility that none of the W's including Jake know where she is.

JMO

 

[Betty P]

It is a very positive answer. I like Sheriff Reader and think he did the right thing considering the children. After the murders little K and R were taken into states custody. When relatives applied for custody Sheriff Reader went to the judge and fought tooth and nail to keep them both in states custody saying that to release their location would put both children and their caretakers in grave danger.

I really do think the same is being done with SW right now. Keep in mind the motive for this crime. Also keep in mind that Fred and Rita are out of jail and can make all the phone calls they want to. So I cannot see Reader allowing them or any W's to know the location of SW.

I enjoy your posts also.

JMO

From an interview with Len Manley last November, little S is safe in state custody in Scioto County.

Rhoden massacre: Sophia Wagner, 4, safe in Scioto County, relative says

The family seems to be ok with her current situation. I'm guessing family, cousins, gr-grandparents, etc. able to visit with her. They probably had a great Christmas with her, JMO.

 

[Loomis124]

It is a very positive answer. I like Sheriff Reader and think he did the right thing considering the children. After the murders little K and R were taken into states custody. When relatives applied for custody Sheriff Reader went to the judge and fought tooth and nail to keep them both in states custody saying that to release their location would put both children and their caretakers in grave danger.

I really do think the same is being done with SW right now. Keep in mind the motive for this crime. Also keep in mind that Fred and Rita are out of jail and can make all the phone calls they want to. So I cannot see Reader allowing them or any W's to know the location of SW.

I enjoy your posts also.

JMO

 

[Loomis124]

I totally agree with everything you've said. Thank you!

 

[rsd1200]

No we don't. But what I am saying is whether Jake has the right to see or talk to SW, I cannot see anyone caring for her taking her to see him or accepting any phone calls from him, that's if he even knows where she is.

Don't forget the secrecy in this case from the start, especially where the children (K and R) are concerned. So there is a good possibility that none of the W's including Jake know where she is.

JMO

I disagree. That's okay that we disagree. Even people whose children are in state's custody, have the right to see and/ or speak to, their child(ren), until a court terminates their parental rights, and says otherwise. The gag order would mean the parents couldn't speak to the children about the case.

As I said before, with the nature of this case, it is entirely likely that they do not take them to the detention facility, to visit, but, it is entirely likely, that they are able to have phone calls and/or video visits from their fathers.

As many detention centers, as I have visited over the years, there has been no shortage of children, visiting parents (who are there for a variety of reasons). The inmates call their children, have pictures made at some facilities, and, in some places, the child is the only visitor that an inmate is permitted to have actual touch contact with (as in, give a hug). It's based on each facility's internal visitation rules though.

 

[Jacqueline]

Jacqueline...in our current/recent discussion I used those initials, instead of typing out Hill Billy Justice, when I was responded to poster StarEyes.
I don't like the term when it is applied in the deaths of 8 human beings... the term seems too dismissive under the circumstances. It has a 3rd world connotation that seems to explain the most insane actions possible. Reminds me of people dismissing the precious life of a teenage girl, killed by her parents as "an honor killing"....HONOR?? in whose eyes? Comparatively using the term "domestic violence" DOMESTIC?? in whose eyes? Or in this horrid case using the term "Hillbilly Justice"...JUSTICE?? in whose eyes? The references to the Hatfields & McCoys harkens back to events occurring 150 years ago.... sickeningly it appears the same themes still exist. However, this time no amount of wealth, political connections or intimidation will stop this case from going to trial. Of course, IMO. (Murder is murder....regardless of it being called a colloquial oxymoron, it is something far worse than anyone can imagine,)

I pray those 8 victims can rest in peace . Whoever killed them i Hope they are put in prison on deathrow..I Pray everyday the little ones will never remember what happened . and I pray they can live the rest of thier lives as sweet and innocent as they was when this happened to their family.
IMO
Hillybilly justice might happen in differennt counties but the State of Ohio will seek Justice for this crime that was commited .
I am from Pile County and I know not all people from here are happy with what happened to the Rhodens.... God be with thier family that is left and I pray they can have some peace .. God Bless

 

[RAISINISBACK]

Here is one of the reason I think Jake is the one who started all this. It all centered around Jake. His ex girlfriend, his ex in laws, his child.

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There is a lot of things that Jake has in common with this woman, Janelle Potter.
Among them the fact that he was home schooled and doesn't appear to have any friends. This woman's sister refused to get involved but Jake's brother did not.
The fact that Janelle's parents were determined to protect her from her enemies, real or imaginary, allowed her to easily manipulate them. Notice that Janelle used the one thing she knew her parents were respectful of, the CIA.

I think it was just as easy for Jake to manipulate his parents and brother, probably using the same tactics as Janelle did, hence all the hacking electronic communication ect charges.

JMO

 

[RAISINISBACK]

I disagree. That's okay that we disagree. Even people whose children are in state's custody, have the right to see and/ or speak to, their child(ren), until a court terminates their parental rights, and says otherwise. The gag order would mean the parents couldn't speak to the children about the case.

As I said before, with the nature of this case, it is entirely likely that they do not take them to the detention facility, to visit, but, it is entirely likely, that they are able to have phone calls and/or video visits from their fathers.

As many detention centers, as I have visited over the years, there has been no shortage of children, visiting parents (who are there for a variety of reasons). The inmates call their children, have pictures made at some facilities, and, in some places, the child is the only visitor that an inmate is permitted to have actual touch contact with (as in, give a hug). It's based on each facility's internal visitation rules though.

Agree to disagree. LOL.

 

[Cool Cats]

They didn’t plan on getting caught. In fact, I believe atleast one or more incriminated themselves AFTER the fact as well.

Interesting. That's a big part of how they got caught. The things they did before and after. LE is coming up with all kinds of counts before that night even happened.

And after the fact they tampered with evidence, spied, and lied. They were good covering up their tracks at the scene, but they missed the big picture. Cleaning up the crime scenes wasn't enough, it's the before and after that helped take them down.

 

[StarEyes]

I pray those 8 victims can rest in peace . Whoever killed them i Hope they are put in prison on deathrow..I Pray everyday the little ones will never remember what happened . and I pray they can live the rest of thier lives as sweet and innocent as they was when this happened to their family.
IMO
Hillybilly justice might happen in differennt counties but the State of Ohio will seek Justice for this crime that was commited .
I am from Pile County and I know not all people from here are happy with what happened to the Rhodens.... God be with thier family that is left and I pray they can have some peace .. God Bless

Hillbilly Justice (HBJ) is how some families bring “justice”. It’s a literal “take the law into your own hands”. It’s in no way, shape or form a lawful justice. It’s a mindset, a gang mentality, an enmeshment. It isn’t ok for a family to do unlawful things as to what THEY see fit as justice. I would expect nothing more than a court of law to bring TRUE justice. I hope I conveyed that to all who read my HBJ posts. All JMO.

 

[StarEyes]

Jacqueline...in our current/recent discussion I used those initials, instead of typing out Hill Billy Justice, when I was responded to poster StarEyes.
I don't like the term when it is applied in the deaths of 8 human beings... the term seems too dismissive under the circumstances. It has a 3rd world connotation that seems to explain the most insane actions possible. Reminds me of people dismissing the precious life of a teenage girl, killed by her parents as "an honor killing"....HONOR?? in whose eyes? Comparatively using the term "domestic violence" DOMESTIC?? in whose eyes? Or in this horrid case using the term "Hillbilly Justice"...JUSTICE?? in whose eyes? The references to the Hatfields & McCoys harkens back to events occurring 150 years ago.... sickeningly it appears the same themes still exist. However, this time no amount of wealth, political connections or intimidation will stop this case from going to trial. Of course, IMO. (Murder is murder....regardless of it being called a colloquial oxymoron, it is something far worse than anyone can imagine,)

I sincerely hope I conveyed that I would expect nothing less than true justice via a court of law. HBJ is an ugly term, but alive and well. It’s a gang mentality with severe enmeshment within the family. It’s NOT ok to be someone’s judge, jury and executioner. I’m also not trying to dismiss these murders as simple HBJ. I started watching this case the very morning it happened. I’ve cried many a tear for the Rhoden family. I’ve had restless nights trying to understand how anyone could commit such a heinous crime. I’d started to lose hope that they’d ever be caught. I’m elated that the Ws were caught. I look forward to seeing justice served on each of them within a court of law. I didn’t mean to diminish the precious lives lost. jmo

 

[Charliegizmo49]

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[Charliegizmo49]

Did not see this one here, unless I am blind, but this is crazy

"In addition to this investigation, Pike County Sheriff Charlie Reader is also being investigated by the state auditor's office. He is accused of stealing cash seized from drug cases to fuel a gambling problem, according to a complaint filed with the auditor’s office on Nov. 9"

Another Pike County office under investigation for questionable spending, auditor says

Could this affect the case at all? Just wondering. Love the site and been lurking for a bit, but finally decided to sign up

Eric

Been discussed in detail. Great info in the earlier posts. Use the search feature top right under banner alert.

 

[Cool Cats]

I sincerely hope I conveyed that I would expect nothing less than true justice via a court of law. HBJ is an ugly term, but alive and well. It’s a gang mentality with severe enmeshment within the family. It’s NOT ok to be someone’s judge, jury and executioner. I’m also not trying to dismiss these murders as simple HBJ. I started watching this case the very morning it happened. I’ve cried many a tear for the Rhoden family. I’ve had restless nights trying to understand how anyone could commit such a heinous crime. I’d started to lose hope that they’d ever be caught. I’m elated that the Ws were caught. I look forward to seeing justice served on each of them within a court of law. I didn’t mean to diminish the precious lives lost. jmo

The last line of your post states: "I didn’t mean to diminish the precious lives lost."

No YOU "didn't diminish the precious lives lost." The Wagner family did that all by themselves.

You also stated that you were "not trying to dismiss these murders as simple HBJ"

We get what you mean. Hillbilly "justice" is one thing, but if found guilty, there is NO DEFINITION that would fit what that dangerous family did.

 

[Loomis124]

They didn’t plan on getting caught. In fact, I believe atleast one or more incriminated themselves AFTER the fact as well.

Can you offer more information about "incriminated themselves," please?

 

[Charliegizmo49]

Actually death row inmates are in solitary confinement 20 hours per day. Info is limited but only 2 visits per month. Non contact.

Ohio – Death Row Conditions by State

 

[Loomis124]

Actually death row inmates are in solitary confinement 20 hours per day. Info is limited but only 2 visits per month. Non contact.

Ohio – Death Row Conditions by State

IMO, that's more than they deserve. These killers will get below 0 empathy from me.

 

[Cool Cats]

Can you offer more information about "incriminated themselves," please?

According to Special Prosecutor Canepa, threats (in regards to being arrested) were made by the Wagners in multiple conversations, with George 4 being the most vocal with these threats.

Likely LE had audio surveillance in FW's home. We know at least one conversation was in her home with her there.

Pretty incriminating even if they didn't confess to the murders.