OH Pike County: 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested#42

[Caylee Advocate]

While I agree with much of what you post, it's kinda tough to debate, or actually play defense atty., on this thread. Surely you've noted that. No snark intended.

Bada book... Bada boom. Yet ALL opinions should be welcome as this is a discussion forum pro Wagner or con Wagner. Innocent until PROVEN guilty.. Also no snark or shade being thrown.

 

[Howcanppldosuch]

How did LE get RN to forge documents? Did they sneak into her home and use her notary stamp, too?

Do we know for sure RN was a Notary? If so it explains much to me.

 

[rsd1200]

Whenever this whole case comes to a close, since it went national, I wonder if anyone, such as Netflix, will make a documentary about it. Because through a trial, I bet their names will be dragged through the mud, so if a documentary is ever made of the Rhodens, hopefully it will be one that pays tribute to them, as well as, corrects any misinformation that would be out there etc

JW has a Cummins diesel tattoo that was visible at the arraignment on his right arm bicep, IF I remember correctly. If he and his brother had a diesel 18 wheeler at some point, that would make sense because they - IN MY OPINION - probably went from 3/4 or 1 ton diesel truck horse hauler on FWF to an 18 wheeler. They probably actually knew how to work on them. In Appalachia, a Cummins diesel is currently (and I hate to say this, but I'm from those parts) a status symbol. Most of these kids start out with 3/4 ton diesel trucks that they use to haul nothing but they "roll coal" just to prove their "country" realness. JW and GW4 probably actually used one to haul horses if they worked on the horse farm, but it's still a "hillbilly" status symbol. I'm more interested in GW3s tattoos, because as I've said before, his are more tied to either white pride groups or biker gangs. You'll find crank (meth) in either of those groups. JMO.

Idk if the Boondock Saints are considered "white pride" types, or not, I personally don't see it, nor do I see those tatts associated with the movie, especially at that point in time, at least, as being racist (I guess I'm old school, they don't mean that to me).

The Ws may be the biggest supporters of the KKK, known to Pike County, but, as it relates to this case, it would matter not. The Rs were not Catholic, nor were they of a minority race, nor do I see any racial mixing in the R family, so, (and oddly enough, the Boondock Saints are Catholic),through that method of elimination, I've come to think it's more likely that the tatts are related to the movie, along with celtic / pagan/ odinist origin, and the R murders were not racially motivated.

BBM I'm proud to say, that I'm from Appalachia, born and raised.

 

[Betty P]

Other than FW's lawyer stating what he did, where have you seen that an of them, have touted faith? Of any kind? They might later if it goes to trial, but I don't see that as working for them. Most folks would be disgusted by that tactic (self included and I have no specific denomination).

In the courtroom, so far:

FW asking the judge to allow her to go to church while on house arrest
FW wearing the snood and black clothing, making her look similar to a nun's habit
RW wearing a large, expensive crucifix necklace in the courtroom

Outside the courtroom:

AW's careful PR campaign with the news media promoting multiple stories about the family moving to AK to follow their pastor.
Having the pastor act as their news media spokesperson while in AK
Having the pastor do interviews and promote a news article about his ministry in OH and AK and how the W's had been part of the congregation for many years
Mention in news stories of FW's church that she's had on her property for many years

I suspect there will be more in the months ahead. Again, not casting aspersions against honest people of faith, only mass killers who try to use it to to convince the public they're innocent avoid prison or the DP. If they were true Christians, they would confess and ask for forgiveness.

 

[Fayette_kid]

BBM I'm proud to say, that I'm from Appalachia, born and raised.

Aw h*ll! I meant to say that I hate to say that kind of stuff because I'm from those parts! So much for fast typing. I'm from the foothills of Western PA and proud of it. Didn't mean it to come out that way!

 

[Betty P]

I don't know if this will be big enough to see well (BBL is in the lrh corner) but here is a map showing Peterson, Hillcrest (where DR worked), and on to FWF. I did it just to get a feel of how far/close everybody was/is. I think, the accused may have started at Peterson, ended at Bethel, or FWF, then went home to Peterson.

Thank you, RSD, it's a great map. Amazing how it all ties together. And it's such a remote area, no lights at night. Very isolated.

 

[Fayette_kid]

The Ws may be the biggest supporters of the KKK, known to Pike County, but, as it relates to this case, it would matter not. The Rs were not Catholic, nor were they of a minority race, nor do I see any racial mixing in the R family, so, (and oddly enough, the Boondock Saints are Catholic),through that method of elimination, I've come to think it's more likely that the tatts are related to the movie, along with celtic / pagan/ odinist origin, and the R murders were not racially motivated.

BBM I'm proud to say, that I'm from Appalachia, born and raised.

BBM -- I kinda agree here. Now that you say that, they do come off more as those goofballs that buy Sons of Anarchy colors and think that they are bad mofos. Somehow, GW3 knows something about Odin - Pagan imagery.

As for crank - farms are one of the only places that can still get Anhydrous Ammonia. Something to think about there.

 

[rsd1200]

In the courtroom, so far:

FW asking the judge to allow her to go to church while on house arrest
FW wearing the snood and black clothing, making her look similar to a nun's habit
RW wearing a large, expensive crucifix necklace in the courtroom

Outside the courtroom:

AW's careful PR campaign with the news media promoting multiple stories about the family moving to AK to follow their pastor.
Having the pastor act as their news media spokesperson while in AK
Having the pastor do interviews and promote a news article about his ministry in OH and AK and how the W's had been part of the congregation for many years
Mention in news stories of FW's church that she's had on her property for many years

I suspect there will be more in the months ahead. Again, not casting aspersions against honest people of faith, only mass killers who try to use it to to convince the public they're innocent avoid prison or the DP. If they were true Christians, they would confess and ask for forgiveness.

FW's lawyer asking for her to attend church is something that I can see my parents asking.
FW's Snood is also a piece that is worn in equitation. Does anyone who prefers black clothing, automatically make them a religious person, or look like a nun? If so, someone failed to notify me (and LM).
RW's crucifix is not expensive and she is not charged in this at all. (If you call $150 bucks expensive then maybe it is).

Where has AW stated she moved to AK to follow their pastor? That man has been up there for decades.
They interviewed a pastor, we don't know that anyone asked him to do the interview.
Which church have the Ws been a part of for years?
Which news stories have mentioned the church, on their property, and in a positive light?

The only thing that struck me is that her lawyer asked for her to attend church, on her property, a mile from her home, and then Atty Canepa stated that FW had not been attending that church. So, not so religious...

Edit:
You know, RW does not seem like a person who wears a lot of jewelry, I think the cross is important to her. It's also how one looks at things as to their value. I would not have paid that much for the necklace, but it may have been a gift, or she just likes it. She's not charged at all in this and I feel bad for her. If it turns out differently later, so be it.

 

[IQuestion]

Do we know for sure RN was a Notary? If so it explains much to me.

HOWCAN I do not know if RN was a notary. For now it needs to go into the "not proven" column? However, it begs the question, "Why would she be needed to forge anything?" since that is one of the charges against her. (The other charges involve lying to the GJ.) The W4's could forge their own documents and why would they choose to involve another person? These are DA Junk's words to the judge on her bail hearing, ..."And your honor, she is not charged with forging a car title or loan documents or anything like that." Starting at 2:11 of video.
Rita Newcomb arraignment
I thought it was odd those two specifics were mentioned and looked up Ohio vehicle registration rules. I noticed car titles in Ohio can be transferred with a "notarized signature" (source below) and many loan documents are also notarized. Another poster also provided info indicating someone with the similar name was a listed notary in their Scioto County, Ohio. county.OH - Pike County: 8 People From One Family Dead As Police Hunt For Killer(s) #35 *Arrests*

How to Transfer Your Car Title in Ohio - DMV.org
Ohio procedure for transferring a vehicle title when buying, selling, inheriting, ... Have the seller assign the current title to you with a notarized signature.

 

[Betty P]

Whenever this whole case comes to a close, since it went national, I wonder if anyone, such as Netflix, will make a documentary about it. Because through a trial, I bet their names will be dragged through the mud, so if a documentary is ever made of the Rhodens, hopefully it will be one that pays tribute to them, as well as, corrects any misinformation that would be out there etc

I recently watched the new Ted Bundy docuseries on Netflix, really quality work. It was produced by Joe Berlinger, the same guy who produced the documentary series "Gone: Forgotten Women of Ohio" about the missing women in Chillicothe and Portsmouth, OH areas.

Joe Berlinger - IMDb

He might be the right person to produce something about the Rhoden Massacre trials since he's now familiar with the area, with LE, with the culture and people of southern Ohio. Berlinger's treatment of the families and friends of the missing women from southern Ohio was very good, respectful. Most all came to trust him and his crew and revealed A LOT of information.

Gone: The Forgotten Women of Ohio (TV Mini-Series 2017) - IMDb

 

[Betty P]

If the dutch boy look alike (JW) wants restraint anonymity, slap on one of these and a stun belt and no one will ever know, lol. If it was good enough for J. Arias, he'll be okay, might walk a little stiff legged though. *like that guy from Gunsmoke reruns.*

Humane Restraint Transport Leg Brace

Chester? Or how about Walter Brennan's walk in The Real McCoy? My granny always said he walked like he had gravel in his shoe.

Personally, I'm voting for IQuestion's suggestion that they just strap him onto a hand truck and roll him in the courtroom like Hannibal Lecter. Not just JW. All of the W4.

 

[rsd1200]

Do we know for sure RN was a Notary? If so it explains much to me.

A person authorized to perform certain legal formalities, especially to draw up or certify contracts, deeds, and other documents for use in other jurisdictions.

What Is a Notary Public

Here is the notary list for Ohio. RJN is on the list.

https://www5.sos.state.oh.us/ords/f?p=NOTARYSEARCH:SEARCH:::NO:RP:P1_REQ:S#searchResults

 

[Puzzles8]

BBM -- I kinda agree here. Now that you say that, they do come off more as those goofballs that buy Sons of Anarchy colors and think that they are bad mofos. Somehow, GW3 knows something about Odin - Pagan imagery.

As for crank - farms are one of the only places that can still get Anhydrous Ammonia. Something to think about there.

What exactly is Crank? is it like Crack?

 

[rsd1200]

Aw h*ll! I meant to say that I hate to say that kind of stuff because I'm from those parts! So much for fast typing. I'm from the foothills of Western PA and proud of it. Didn't mean it to come out that way!

Sorry for the misunderstanding!

 

[Puzzles8]

HOWCAN I do not know if RN was a notary. For now it needs to go into the "not proven" column? However, it begs the question, "Why would she be needed to forge anything?" since that is one of the charges against her. (The other charges involve lying to the GJ.) The W4's could forge their own documents and why would they choose to involve another person? These are DA Junk's words to the judge on her bail hearing, ..."And your honor, she is not charged with forging a car title or loan documents or anything like that."
Rita Newcomb arraignment
I thought it was odd those two specifics were mentioned and looked up Ohio vehicle registration rules. I noticed car titles in Ohio can be transferred with a "notarized signature" (source below) and many loan documents are also notarized. Another poster also provided info indicating someone with the similar name was a listed notary in their Scioto County, Ohio. county.OH - Pike County: 8 People From One Family Dead As Police Hunt For Killer(s) #35 *Arrests*

How to Transfer Your Car Title in Ohio - DMV.org
Ohio procedure for transferring a vehicle title when buying, selling, inheriting, ... Have the seller assign the current title to you with a notarized signature.

That's good information, thanks IQ!
Wonder the reason she became a notary? There is a continuing fee, so there must be a reason why she kept her notary status current.

 

[rsd1200]

BBM -- I kinda agree here. Now that you say that, they do come off more as those goofballs that buy Sons of Anarchy colors and think that they are bad mofos. Somehow, GW3 knows something about Odin - Pagan imagery.

As for crank - farms are one of the only places that can still get Anhydrous Ammonia. Something to think about there.

I think the pagan, etc... imagery comes in from the movie(s) and other interests. There are folks, who do mix ideologies in the region. It's not a mixture that I see, in the Ws. To me, they've developed some sort of twisted ideology that is giving them justification to commit murder (and I may be overthinking this). I also must say that I've wondered if the mother/daughter murder, in Jan 2016, could have been them. Practice run, and taking out a drug dealer. Just some thoughts, after a comfort drink or two.

As for the A.A., that is a thought. JW looked pekid in his earlier photos. Could just be anemic though.

 

[Deleted member 237253]

What exactly is Crank? is it like Crack?

Basically a less pure form of methamphetamines. Often cut with other substances and chemicals.

 

[Puzzles8]

What exactly is Crank? is it like Crack?

I answered my own question from my favorite Urban Dictionary site.
Crank is: slang for a low purity, crystallized Methamphetamine that is administered in a powder form. The drug received the nickname “crank” because it was often smuggled in the crank cases of vehicles.
That's interesting because there was quite a bit of used vehicle dealing with many of the parties involved in this case.
Interesting that only farms can purchase the Anhydrous Ammonia that is also used to make Crank, thanks for that information Fayette! I'm assuming farms have a legitimate reason to purchase it for their use.

 

[rsd1200]

What exactly is Crank? is it like Crack?

You can also make meth with A.A. iirc.

 

[TheRevWells]

Do we know for sure RN was a Notary? If so it explains much to me.

I did a search for Notaries in Ohio and came up with these results https://www5.sos.state.oh.us/ords/f?p=NOTARYSEARCH:SEARCH:::NO:RP:P1_REQ:S#searchResults