OH Pike County: 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested#44

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  • #81
Bjm, jm and ds are all considered witnesses
There can be so many others too. All the friends of the young R's and their cousins also. If the prosecutors put them on the stand the defense can try and use their juvenile records to show possible bias, ulterior motives, predudices or them just being untrustworthy.
 
  • #82
There can be so many others too. All the friends of the young R's and their cousins also. If the prosecutors put them on the stand the defense can try and use their juvenile records to show possible bias, ulterior motives, predudices or them just being untrustworthy.

Speaking of juvenile records, do you notice the irony between these 2 motions?

Motion #3.) ...disclosure of juvenile records of plaintiff's witnesses...

Motion #33.) ...exclude any evidence relating to other crimes,wrongs, or acts...
 
  • #83
Speaking of juvenile records, do you notice the irony between these 2 motions?

Motion #3.) ...disclosure of juvenile records of plaintiff's witnesses...

Motion #33.) ...exclude any evidence relating to other crimes,wrongs, or acts...

Yes for them but no for us... They sure seem to be worried about witnesses and evidence...
 
  • #84
Yes for them but no for us... They sure seem to be worried about witnesses and evidence...

Yes, 2 more Motions mentioning witnesses:

#10.) Motion to disclose names of GJ witnesses.

#32.) Motion regarding the inadmissibility of prior testimony from a witness for the prosecution.

*********Motion to stop the families in court from wearing "Justice for Hannah Gilley and the Rhodens" T-shirts. ( My addition and opinion regarding Motion #22.)*********

#22.) Motion for a courtroom decorum order to ensure a fair trial. :cool: :rolleyes:
 
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Yes, 2 more Motions mentioning witnesses:

#10.) Motion to disclose names of GJ witnesses.

#32.) Motion regarding the inadmissibility of prior testimony from a witness for the prosecution.

*********Motion to stop the families in court from wearing "Justice for Hannah Gilley and the Rhodens" T-shirts. ( My addition and opinion regarding Motion #22.)*********

#22.) Motion for a courtroom decorum order to ensure a fair trial. :cool: :rolleyes:

Courtroom Decorum Policy

Speaking of courtroom decorum:
I would add two more rules for the courtroom gallery.

1) Those in the courtroom gallery may not attempt to communicate with the defendant in any way.
2) No writing reminder notes on your clothing with pens, pencils, crayons or any other writing instrument.
 
  • #86
Courtroom Decorum Policy

Speaking of courtroom decorum:
I would add two more rules for the courtroom gallery.



1) Those in the courtroom gallery may not attempt to communicate with the defendant in any way.
2) No writing reminder notes on your clothing with pens, pencils, crayons or any other writing instrument.

LOL....!!!!

Question:
Aside from official journalists etc... can the people in the court gallery write on paper? Are they, basically, allowed to take notes?

I totally get Robin not having paper and writing on her pants one time, (well no I really don't understand it) but it was only just one time, during Angela's court hearing correct?

It's not a big deal----but it was unusual enough for the camera person to zero in on it and for the press to publish the photo of her "note".
 
  • #87
LOL....!!!!

Question:
Aside from official journalists etc... can the people in the court gallery write on paper? Are they, basically, allowed to take notes?

I totally get Robin not having paper and writing on her pants one time, (well no I really don't understand it) but it was only just one time, during Angela's court hearing correct?

It's not a big deal----but it was unusual enough for the camera person to zero in on it and for the press to publish the photo of her "note".

I can't answer for Ohio courts but I remember C. Anthony's fast and furious writing into her trusty notebook quite often during "the trial" in Florida... (and chewing gum throughout...) I know some judges will ask the jury to not to take notes and some judges won't take notes themselves because they say it's better to watch people testify and they feel a lot of information is missed by concentrating on looking down and writing instead of just observing and listening closely. I think RW only took notes on her pants that one time and wrote largely enough to share with all. I was just poking fun but I'm sure lawyers formally "requesting" the proper court decorum be observed is a very typical and common "request." I doubt very much that the idea originated with AW. Proper court decorum is expected at all trials as a matter of course, it seems to me, and an example would be how you always see a lawyer request to approach the bench rather than just barging up to talk tot he judge at will... he or she doesn't have to be reminded of such things imo.
 
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Speaking of juvenile records, do you notice the irony between these 2 motions?

Motion #3.) ...disclosure of juvenile records of plaintiff's witnesses...

Motion #33.) ...exclude any evidence relating to other crimes,wrongs, or acts...
Yes somethings in our law just don't make much sense do they. I do believe though that AC is going to be a rabid advocate for those who can't speak for themselves.
 
  • #89
Yes somethings in our law just don't make much sense do they. I do believe though that AC is going to be a rabid advocate for those who can't speak for themselves.

Yes Angela Canepa is "one tough cookie". Here is an example:

COLUMBUS, Ohio — A man convicted as a juvenile of raping a 16-year-old girl has consistently tried to minimize his involvement in the crime and should remain on Ohio's sex offender registry, state prosecutors argue. .......
.................................... "
Richmond has sought to minimize his involvement and avail himself of the absolutely least amount of personal accountability for his actions," Angela Canepa an assistant Attorney General working as a special prosecutor, said in a Feb. 22 filing in Jefferson County juvenile court.

Richmond has portrayed himself as a victim of the criminal justice system and sought the lowest possible punishment for his actions, including categories on the sex offender list, special prosecutor Angela Canepa said. ( BBM)

Prosecutor: Keep ex-Steubenville athlete convicted of rape on sex offender list

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Edward Jacob Wagner.... Identification Of Discovery Provided.

Official Court Document from December 20th. This is only the first batch. Also says a list of witnesses is attached so Jake now knows who some of the witnesses are. ( For him or against him or both??? )

Discovery
 
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IDENTIFICATION OF DISCOVERY PROVIDED.
From December 20th so this is only the first batch, obviously there is a lot more.

DISCOVERY EVIDENCE LISTED FOR EDWARD JACOB WAGNER..................

Discovery

Thank you SO much Cool Cats! :)
 
  • #92
Thank you SO much Cool Cats! :)

No prob! We all keep looking for the discovery evidence. I don't understand why more of it isn't listed like in other cases. Evidence matters. It makes or breaks the case!
 
  • #93
No prob! We all keep looking for the discovery evidence. I don't understand why more of it isn't listed like in other cases. Evidence matters. It makes or breaks the case!
I’m sure it’s out there somewhere. Just need more sleuthers sleuthing
 
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Yes, 2 more Motions mentioning witnesses:

#10.) Motion to disclose names of GJ witnesses.

#32.) Motion regarding the inadmissibility of prior testimony from a witness for the prosecution.

*********Motion to stop the families in court from wearing "Justice for Hannah Gilley and the Rhodens" T-shirts. ( My addition and opinion regarding Motion #22.)*********

#22.) Motion for a courtroom decorum order to ensure a fair trial. :cool: :rolleyes:
So is motion #32 to keep GJ testimony of witnesses from coming in? I do know the the denfense can bring a witness's GJ testimony if their story on the trial stand differs. Can the defense keep the prosecution from bringing in the witness's GJ testimony?
Edward Jacob Wagner.... Identification Of Discovery Provided.

Official Court Document from December 20th. This is only the first batch. Also says a list of witnesses is attached so Jake now knows who some of the witnesses are. ( For him or against him or both??? )

Discovery
Thank you for this!

A few things I noticed.
HR who was shot twice had the same amount of autopsy pictures and x-rays that her father CRSR did, who was shot nine times. I don't know what that could mean but it seems odd to me. Also noticed as far as the interviews listed (don't know if these are all of them? or just the ones prosection are going to use?), JW was the only W interviewed right after the murders. GW3 was next in 9/2016 and the AW in 10/2016. GW4 wasn't interviewed until over a year later and he's the only W listed as being interviewed just once. One last thing is all the voicemail audio evidence is listed only under AW.
 
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This article talks about the discovery list for GW3 being longer than the other lists.

It would be great to compare his list to the other W's.

Here's all the evidence (so far) in the Pike Co. massacre
Thanks for the article link Ohio!

What really stands out as different from JW list is even though JW was part owner of the Peterson property with his brother GW4, the items from the well aren't listed as discovery for him. Could that mean this well was not on his property? Also Facebook screenshots are listed on GW3's list but not on JW. That seems out of place, should be the reverse. I doubt GW3 was even on social media.
 
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So is motion #32 to keep GJ testimony of witnesses from coming in? I do know the the denfense can bring a witness's GJ testimony if their story on the trial stand differs. Can the defense keep the prosecution from bringing in the witness's GJ testimony?

It means if the prosecution has witness testimony they can't use it at trial without the actual witness being at the trial. The defense has the right to interview the witness outside of trial or to cross examine the witness on the stand at trial.

Sometimes the prosecution wants to bring in witness testimony but will say that the witness is unavailable to come to court.

This motion also means the prosecution can't use GJ testimony without the defense getting the opportunity to interview or cross examine the GJ witness. No GJ testimony will be allowed in court without the defense having access to that witness.

If possible the defense will question the witness before the trial even begins. That's the best case scenario for them. Then they clearly know what questions to ask before the Jury. But they don't get that luxury every time.
 
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Thank you for this!

A few things I noticed.
HR who was shot twice had the same amount of autopsy pictures and x-rays that her father CRSR did, who was shot nine times. I don't know what that could mean but it seems odd to me. Also noticed as far as the interviews listed (don't know if these are all of them? or just the ones prosection are going to use?), JW was the only W interviewed right after the murders. GW3 was next in 9/2016 and the AW in 10/2016. GW4 wasn't interviewed until over a year later and he's the only W listed as being interviewed just once. One last thing is all the voicemail audio evidence is listed only under AW.

Interesting observations. So Jake was interviewed first because he had been over at Dana's picking up Sophie that week and he's the father of a victim's child.

But it's interesting that the parents weren't interviewed until 6 months later. My 2 Cents is that they were interviewed at that time because that is when Sheriff Reader said locals did it.

Notice the "local Wagners" get interviewed right at that particular time.

And notice George 4 gets his first (maybe only) interview when things really heat up on the Wagners. It's the month of the searches on their properties and near the laser focus announcement.

I believe the laser focus announcement was 2 fold. They did want the public involved but they also were "tickling the wire" a term in LE where LE says or does something to get the suspects talking. To catch incriminating statements on wiretaps.

Aside from being wiretapped in their Alaska and Ohio homes and in Fred's home, Its My 2 Cents also, that their phones/texts/voicemails and possibly vehicles were wiretapped also.

I don't believe they would wiretap Fred's residence but not wiretap the 4 main suspect's residences.

Angela Canepa did not say confidential "informant" she said confidential reliable "source". The press are the ones who ran stories using the wrong word "informant".

I could be wrong of course, but I find it hard to believe that the Wagners would have talked in front of any outsiders. They are so clannish, so enmeshed that I don't see them taking any chances talking around ANYONE but Fred.

They also planned the murders meticulously but yes it's possible they got "sloppy" after the murders and let their guard down. It's pretty lazy to throw a silencer part into your own well, if that is where they found it.
 
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Interesting observations. So Jake was interviewed first because he had been over at Dana's picking up Sophie that week and he's the father of a victim's child.

But it's interesting that the parents weren't interviewed until 6 months later. My 2 Cents is that they were interviewed at that time because that is when Sheriff Reader said locals did it.

Notice the "local Wagners" get interviewed right at that particular time.

And notice George 4 gets his first (maybe only) interview when things really heat up on the Wagners. It's the month of the searches on their properties and near the laser focus announcement.

I believe the laser focus announcement was 2 fold. They did want the public involved but they also were "tickling the wire" a term in LE where LE says or does something to get the suspects talking. To catch incriminating statements on wiretaps.

Aside from being wiretapped in their Alaska and Ohio homes and in Fred's home, Its My 2 Cents also, that their phones/texts/voicemails and possibly vehicles were wiretapped also.

I don't believe they would wiretap Fred's residence but not wiretap the 4 main suspect's residences.

Angela Canepa did not say confidential "informant" she said confidential reliable "source". The press are the ones who ran stories using the wrong word "informant".

I could be wrong of course, but I find it hard to believe that the Wagners would have talked in front of any outsiders. They are so clannish, so enmeshed that I don't see them taking any chances talking around ANYONE but Fred.

They also planned the murders meticulously but yes it's possible they got "sloppy" after the murders and let their guard down. It's pretty lazy to throw a silencer part into your own well, if that is where they found it.
If the wags planned the before and after part as well as they planned the actual murders, then they would’ve never been caught.
 
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