MOO
This is in reply to ALL the threads about the husband of AW....I'm having trouble keeping up with all the initials and who is who....I'm taking you are all meaning the Father in this case is the mastermind. The question about AW going along with it..... OK I have read that AW was controlling and manipulative in threads on other social media. Even IF this is the case that doesn't mean that she cannot be abused or in fear of her own life too if life with her husband is filled with abuse. It seems to me, and this is my opinion only that there is a lot of control and manipulation going all through this case. This is termed as abuse. One never, I REPEAT NEVER knows to what extent a person would go when they are being abused. (In no way am I excusing these Murders; and in no way am I saying the perps were the victims: this is two different issues. For all intense purposes the forum is focused on the murders).
Take those murders out of the equation and I see abuse all over the place whether it's mental, physical, emotional, monetary, and sexual this is on BOTH sides of the spectrum with the defendants as well as the victims (sadly...and it doesn't mean they should have been murdered). These people are NOT in their right heads. There is also another form of abuse at play here: SUBSTANCE ABUSE. Then still another form of abuse is abusing yourself. In the case of the Grandmother Wagner...there is abuse of social status. Enough said there, THAT is why they felt they could get away with it hands down. MOO, MOO, and MOO. A spoiled child often times is not always a 'good' child. Do you think that it wasn't in the father's mind that somehow his mother could bail him out if he did get in trouble?
NOW to compare my own experience is that I am a survivor of abuse. Enough said here, this thread is not about ME and my own abuse (there is a petrification of fear- the fear is NOT normal even though I do not drink or use substances)....too with me I DO have experience with my father trying to murder my mother in front of both my brother and me with all the factors of said abuse all through their marriage leading up to the moment where my father tried to take my mothers life without success. I can relate to the three children "left behind" there. It is what it is.
So there is NO TELLING what we would do with that petrification of fear lingering over our heads. MOO
Now, something interesting was said about the 'profile' of a murderer and how a person wants the scene to look. (BTW no amount of planning can get rid of a boot print in blood at the scene....the infant was covered in blood...and the 911 call said there was a lot of blood at the scene). My question is the money that was thrown on the body at one of the crime scenes and how that comes into play. I think it was Franky. Is there an ulterior motive...or an additional motive we are not looking at, in addition to the child custody case? I wonder what the meaning behind that was.
MOO instead of throwing our thoughts from our own experiences into the case, maybe we need to let the case speak. The victims need the voice based on what is there. There indeed was child custody,
fighting, drugs, maybe even jealousy of bf/gf relationship and a lover scorned. It sounds to me that the victims have a long standing history with this other family that frankly right at this time we are not privy to. MOO
Said in respect and great love for all involved. I don't ever want to be 'tested' on any of this. Having that experience as a child has taught me much about things like this alone. We are a product of what our experiences are. I, in no way, am saying that the deceased were abusive here btw other than the chemical abuse. Social media pages shows much love and respect for life in posts they made. MOO
