OH Pike County: 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested#44

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  • #441
With the new motions filed today by W it doesn’t sound like the are wanting to take a plead yet jmo

The only new motions filed TODAY were 2 by GW4 - wear civilian clothes (Motion 7) and "Discovery regarding DNA Filed" (Motion 6).

OTHERS EARLIER IN March:
A couple by GW4, main one about visiting (RW no doubt).

ALL motions in AWs case were by the STATE in response to 30 of hers filed in November.

None filed in Jakes case.

Am I missing any?
 
  • #442
I did not like her article and thought it insulting. But she did go over to LM 's home and interview both him and Bobby. She was quoting BJM.

I was COPYING a tiny portion of her article, not debating it.


I am not debating it either, all I know is she and her sidekick made up lies to embellish the story.
 
  • #443
I am not debating it either, all I know is she and her sidekick made up lies to embellish the story.

People like me, from outside the area, can't tell fact from fiction in a lot of the info put out. It may be very obvious to you but not to many of us...
 
  • #444
The one tower on UHR is close to the church (Pastor Phil's) If you're on 32 West just before UHR turn to right, you can look up the hill and see it and the church.
Did you pass on our support for Sheriff Reader. I feel like he's done his absolute best to bring justice for the victims.
 
  • #445
No. The killers were right next to the victims. IF the bed was away from the wall it would be relatively easy for one shooter to stand on Frankie's side of the bed and one on HG's side of the bed. Cowards.

COLUMBUS, Ohio — All of the Pike County massacre victims were shot in the head at point-blank range and seven of the eight were shot multiple times, according to preliminary autopsy reports viewed by the WCPO I-Team Wednesday.

All eight victims - seven Rhoden family members and one's fiancee - were shot with the gun barrel touching their skin or very, very close to it – just centimeters or inches away, the coroner determined.
Rhodens shot in head at point-blank range
I'd be curious to know which W4's are right or left handed. I think it's a safe bet Billy is a rightie.
MOO
 
  • #446
Did you pass on our support for Sheriff Reader. I feel like he's done his absolute best to bring justice for the victims.
Pike county agreed as they congratulated him by firing his brotha
 
  • #447
I'd be curious to know which W4's are right or left handed. I think it's a safe bet Billy is a rightie.
MOO
I would almost bet that the true breed Wagner has a hammer toe?
 
  • #448
I just noticed this entry. What might be the reasoning for this? What involvement did Clark County have?

JOURNAL ENTRY -- THE CLERK OF COURTS OF CLARK COUNTY, HAVING BEEN APPOINTED AS SPECIAL DEPUTY CLERK OF COURTS, SHALL CONVEY INTO THE CUSTODY OF JUSTIN P. BREWSTER, CLERK OF COURTS OF PIKE COUNTY ALL DOCUMENTS AND RECORDS PERTAINING TO THIS MATTER; THE CLARK COUNTY CLERK OF COURTS IS DISCHARGED OF ANY FURTHER RESPONSIBILITIES AS SPECIAL DEPUTY CLERK COPIES FILED MAILED TO COUNSEL, DEFENDANTS, PROSECUTORS
I'm not sure so nobody quote me on this please, but it seems as if I remember something about another Clerk of Courts being appointed to help in regards to the Rhoden/Gilley cases due to significant workload of documents etc? But like I said, I cannot be sure on this and have done some searching and unable to find it, so at this point this is JMO of what I think the reason may be. And I may not be recalling this correctly and/or it may have been another case but for some reason it seems I remember seeing it for the Rhoden/Gilley case??
 
  • #449
Did you pass on our support for Sheriff Reader. I feel like he's done his absolute best to bring justice for the victims.


Yes he knows and appreciates every ounce of flattery he can get. LOL. He is a good man and very dedicated. He has another brother besides Brian who always called me "Momma." Love them all.
 
  • #450
Yes he knows and appreciates every ounce of flattery he can get. LOL. He is a good man and very dedicated. He has another brother besides Brian who always called me "Momma." Love them all.
Admire him to the top and never even met him!
 
  • #451
I'd be curious to know which W4's are right or left handed. I think it's a safe bet Billy is a rightie.
MOO
I'd be curious to know which W4's are right or left handed. I think it's a safe bet Billy is a rightie.
MOO

Oh I get it. Had to think about that. Billy has the scorpion tattoo on his right "trigger" finger.
 
  • #452
The only new motions filed TODAY were 2 by GW4 - wear civilian clothes (Motion 7) and "Discovery regarding DNA Filed" (Motion 6).

OTHERS EARLIER IN March:
A couple by GW4, main one about visiting (RW no doubt).

ALL motions in AWs case were by the STATE in response to 30 of hers filed in November.

None filed in Jakes case.

Am I missing any?

Thankx for the information. There is alot to keep up with considering there are 6 defendants in this case. Wow.
 
  • #453
JMO, the latest motion filed for GW4 relating to DNA looks to be one of those standard motions defense attorneys file in death penalty cases. It asks the state to provide all the standard information about DNA evidence in the case, how it was processed and handled, who the lab experts were, their qualifications, etc. Some verdicts in DP cases have been overturned if it has been found procedures weren't followed properly, evidence was contaminated somewhere in the chain of custody, etc. IIRC, it was Ohio BCI who gathered evidence at the crime scenes and DeWine made a point of mentioning how careful they were.

It may be signficant that GW4 is the only defendant whose attorney has filed this motion. Does that mean he's the only killer whose DNA was found at the crime scene or on one of the weapons used? IDK. It could also mean he's the only one whose attorney has realized this motion needs to be filed.
 
  • #454
Oh I get it. Had to think about that. Billy has the scorpion tattoo on his right "trigger" finger.
I think most people fire a weapon using their dominant trigger finger (right or left handed).
I also think if you are facing and/or looking down at your victim, a right handed shooter would tend to aim at someone's left side/left center. The trajectory of the bullet might also suggest whether the shooter was right or left handed or even how tall.
There were small babies just inches from the victim's heads. No margin for error there.
 
  • #455
JMO, the latest motion filed for GW4 relating to DNA looks to be one of those standard motions defense attorneys file in death penalty cases. It asks the state to provide all the standard information about DNA evidence in the case, how it was processed and handled, who the lab experts were, their qualifications, etc. Some verdicts in DP cases have been overturned if it has been found procedures weren't followed properly, evidence was contaminated somewhere in the chain of custody, etc. IIRC, it was Ohio BCI who gathered evidence at the crime scenes and DeWine made a point of mentioning how careful they were.

It may be signficant that GW4 is the only defendant whose attorney has filed this motion. Does that mean he's the only killer whose DNA was found at the crime scene or on one of the weapons used? IDK. It could also mean he's the only one whose attorney has realized this motion needs to be filed.
Could mean the exact opposite too. Maybe he was just the driver and never actually entered any of the homes.
 
  • #456
I think most people fire a weapon using their dominant trigger finger (right or left handed).
I also think if you are facing and/or looking down at your victim, a right handed shooter would tend to aim at someone's left side/left center. The trajectory of the bullet might also suggest whether the shooter was right or left handed or even how tall.
There were small babies just inches from the victim's heads. No margin for error there.

Not only that but it was dark! The rooms were likely dark where the babies were laying. I believe they carried flashlights.

Guns were in contact and near contact on the victims so there would have been blood spatter all over the Wagners, even if you couldn't see it without luminol. And on their shoes.

I wonder if any blood evidence was found? It would be impossible not to transfere any to their vehicle. And I wonder if they got at least a partial bloody shoe print and can match the tread to the Wal-Mart shoes Angela bought?
 
  • #457
Could mean the exact opposite too. Maybe he was just the driver and never actually entered any of the homes.

LE already told GW3's attorney that GW3 is the mastermind. So he did alot more then just act as the driver or lookout in my opinion.

Remember he's the dad who taught his son's how to hunt and use weapons, he's automatically in the leadership position. Just like he took them hunting, he took them into those houses to hunt down defenseless people.
 
  • #458
JMO, the latest motion filed for GW4 relating to DNA looks to be one of those standard motions defense attorneys file in death penalty cases. It asks the state to provide all the standard information about DNA evidence in the case, how it was processed and handled, who the lab experts were, their qualifications, etc. Some verdicts in DP cases have been overturned if it has been found procedures weren't followed properly, evidence was contaminated somewhere in the chain of custody, etc. IIRC, it was Ohio BCI who gathered evidence at the crime scenes and DeWine made a point of mentioning how careful they were.

It may be signficant that GW4 is the only defendant whose attorney has filed this motion. Does that mean he's the only killer whose DNA was found at the crime scene or on one of the weapons used? IDK. It could also mean he's the only one whose attorney has realized this motion needs to be filed.

Also makes you wonder how close the attorneys from the four are working together. It looks like GWIV's attorneys may be thinking a different strategy.
 
  • #459
They do say he was decomposed more than the other victims so does that mean he was dead longer?

Is there a way for someone to decompose faster even if he wasn't shot first?
 
  • #460
We will learn why Csr's body decomposition was showing he was among first shot at trial probably. From what I've seen many factors play a role in body decomposition. I have been unfruitful in my search posing the question of age and health of the individual playing a significant role in the rate of decomposition rate of different individuals. I'd like to hear a person who is in the field answer this question. MOO

"An Undercurrent of drugs" "there is no evidence necessarily to say the motive is drug related" this doesn't mean that he's ruling out that there is a second motive where the grow operations were involved as a motive.

Undercurrent means: an underlying feeling or influence, especially one that is contrary to the prevailing atmosphere and is not expressed openly.

So he is definitively saying there are suspicions that drugs are involved but there is no evidence of it since there is no evidence he cannot bring that forthright to openly state it as a motive in these murders.

NO EVIDENCE OF THE SPECULATION(the forming of a theory or conjecture without firm evidence)

Because they do not have the evidence to show there is reason for their theory that this is essentially drug-related they cannot, again, give it openly in a statement by law that it is a definite motive.

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The office of Attorney General Mike DeWine has said Christopher Rhoden Sr. had "a large-scale marijuana growing operation," leading some to speculate the killings were drug-related.

Rhodens shot in head at point-blank range

"A large-scale Marijuana growing operation" pulls in lots of cash.
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When I state what I stated earlier in no means implies that the R family were not hard workers. Everything they did shows evidence to the contrary of that statement. Just because they were the "little" guys looking poor as they probably were it really looks like much of their money pulled in went towards buying cars at auctions, putting money into them, and then reselling them, which is a very legitimate business. I know nothing of OHIO laws on MJ what it was at the time of the murders or even now. However, there is a statement made on this thread about them which I know to be true. The government will most certainly provide more liency to those who are in the upper classes before they will give leiency to the lower classes in which the R.'s were in. If I stated that the R's were indeed growing marijuana and bringing in cash that way that isn't an assassination of their character either. CR. Sr. he had 9 gunshot wounds (that is so overkill and someone was pissed at him when they shot him) DR had 5 (in one article I read stated METHODICALLY placed) gunshot wounds on her face and under her chin (included in the total of five wounds). IF CUSTODY was the SOLE MOTIVATOR in all this I would think they would be pissed at HR and she would have more than the two she did have. It is stated that KR and CRsr both were involved in selling weed. KR had one gunshot wound to the right eye and money strewn at his feet (I am confused about the 1, 000 because the time I read it they stated dollar bills which I took to mean $1 bills).
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If, in fact, BW sold and was in business with the MJ growing and distribution thereof there was money going around. In that business people are slighted all the time and you hear of murders even for as little as a $20 slight. That is a known fact. The fact that the W's turned around and threw their money around buying new stuff was dumb on their part if they were on SSI OR SSDI. Where did the money come from? If this is the case, they show their stupidity with it. The R's seemed MORE careful in the fact that they could purchase the cars at auction, take them, fix them up, and sell them for more leaving a better paper trail to show where they got the money to buy anything.
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As for them being friends and friendly, their daughter was married to the W's son....there must have been a wedding, a baby shower, not to mention birthday parties, etc. Of course they did things with the W's. That is what families do. What family's don't do is go out murdering when their kids split up.
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I feel, MOO, is that there certainly was an underlying factor of the Grow Operation at play that the authorities cannot prove difinitively. I do think Custody played a role in all this. I think the anger built up gradually over time to where the custody or whatever BW and CRsr were arguing about came to a boiling point and the family killed the R's in cold blood. End of story.


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SRY I didn't think this posted again....didn't know how to erase it from my form to make comments and didn't realize that it actually posted again....for the most part the thread was ok and I JUST DELETED the part where MOD prolly snipped as I couldn't see that as well :(. I'll have to watch this!
 
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