OH Pike County: 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested#44

[Myland]

FW alledgedly lied under oath and also told the W's what was asked of her during the grand jury hearing. I know both are illegal. I 'guess' that sitting in and listening and/or participating in the planned retribution against the now Governor, Sheriff and BCI SA were all legal?

Jmo I would think it would be illegal, but since her charges don’t include the listening and/or participation and etc against Governor, Sheriff and BCI it must either not be or not able to be proven Jmo

 

[Deleted member 239597]

That's where the background of HMRs parents comes in. Being in this situation themselves, i do not see them making a strong matter of JWs and HMRs age. I could be wrong though.

And the background of the other kids child for that matter. However, what I see here too underlying that mess is that JW was not very mature at all. His brother's marriage and divorce and children have been discussed here as well. There have been claims made, don't know if they were substantiated on "controlling behavior" with the matriarch and patriarch in the W's as well. All that, if it can be proven, can show that JW was not really that mature in his thinking or actions. We might never know if it indeed is all speculation and rumor.

The reason I say that it's kind of a mote thing is that it does encompass in the law that the victim's sexual behavior cannot be included in deciding as to whether or not consent was actually granted at the level of RAPE. I would assume it happens at this level too. (GOD HELP THOSE WHO PUT WORDS INTO MY MOUTH HERE)…… I'm stating what the law states pertaining to the LAW itself: NOT THIS CASE. So even if we knew, it would help us to unravel based on maybe a sociological viewpoint the dynamics into the mindset of both families, however, on the basis of the case none of it can be included in the evidence of this case that the jury will be hearing and so the jury itself cannot take any of it into account.

 

[Deleted member 239597]

Jmo I would think it would be illegal, but since her charges don’t include the listening and/or participation and etc against Governor, Sheriff and BCI it must either not be or not able to be proven Jmo

nope hers are obstruction of justice and perjury and a question of evidence came into play with the bullet proof vests at both maybe they are asking one of the charges be dropped and one retained or both be dropped because of the duplicate of evidence?

 

[OhioBlues]

Jmo I would think it would be illegal, but since her charges don’t include the listening and/or participation and etc against Governor, Sheriff and BCI it must either not be or not able to be proven Jmo

Not sure but that might be the case.

 

[OhioBlues]

JW is charged with 2097.04 and 2097.05.

Lawriter - ORC

Sexual Predator.

 

[RAISINISBACK]

From Custody dispute played role in killing of Rhoden family, officials say
"John “Ozzy” Osborn, owner of Ozzy’s Barber Shop in Waverly, said the arrests seemed to take the case full circle. The volatile relationship between the Rhodens and Wagners wasn’t exactly a secret.

“Those two families were tight — until they split,” he said." This guy claims that they were friends at one point. I see no reason why he would lie to the reporter.

I do not understand the dislike shown to those who do report on this story. From what I have seen they report on the region in an accurate manner. It may not paint the region in a glowing light, but that does not make it inaccurate.

BBM

It may not paint the region in a glowing light, but that does not make it inaccurate.

Around here we are viewed as a bunch of Stetson wearing Skoal dipping redneck cowboys.

Back before the Trail of Tears we were known as a lawless depository for every bank robber and criminal who wanted to disappear into the Bad Lands.

Back when this state was a territory (before statehood in 1907) we were viewed as a bunch of wild Indians who would scalp any white man who dared to venture here. They even called us Home of the Red Man.

Back in the depression we were viewed as a bunch of dirt farmers that went to California and lived under bridges in tents (when they had one, a blanket thrown over a tree limb if they didn't) in settlements called Hoovervilles. They hung the name Okies on us.

Back in the times of bank robbers we were famous for hosting criminals like Bonnie and Clyde and Pretty Boy Floyd and giving them a place to rest after their crime sprees.

Now we are viewed as a bunch of backwoods racist rednecks that are dumb as a box of rocks.

All those descriptions might not be glowing but they are historically accurate.

Just for the record this old gal struts around in her Stetson hat with OKIE blazoned across the front of it and Tony Lama boots with a picture of Pretty Boy Floyd on them and I am just pleased as punch to be called an Okie redneck squaw living in the Oklahoma Bad Lands. I wouldn't trade this state for all the other ones put together.

JMO

 

[IamPuzzled]

I recently ran across an article discussing a "sneak and peek" or "delayed notice" search warrant. Under certain circumstances police can enter a business or residence and place a camera or other device. Perhaps this was the method used to record the meeting held at FW's house.

Hidden cameras in Kraft probe shows how police can secretly infiltrate private business

 

[Deleted member 239597]

Lawriter - ORC - 2950.01 [Effective Until 3/20/2019] Sexual predator, habitual sex offender, sexually oriented offender definitions.

Jake Wagner Bill of Particulars
https://pikecountycpcourt.org/eserv...jmJH0zbxmxDU67xWF*I3lwyN4FM3*ngPUK5OSBIRAB5Zw

I see him charged with 297.04 only

He will considered a sexually oriented offender should he be convicted

He is not a habitual offender hence not a predator by definition of State Law in Ohio

sexual predator
A sexual predator by medical definition: A sex offender who has been convicted of a sexually violent offence—e.g., rape, criminal sexual act, forcible compulsion, insertion of foreign object or fingers in anal or urogenital regions—and who suffers from a mental abnormality or personality disorder that makes him or her likely to engage in predatory sexually violent offences.
__________________________________________________________________________________________
To call JW a sexual predator would be unjust as to what the term really applies as we look at the case objectively.

Jake is a kid that made a mistake (MOO) if it is based solely on his having sexual relations with HR while she was under the age of consent. He will be considered a sexually oriented offender NOT predator.

This is in reply to that one charge he has that is of sexual nature only. (All the other charges against him are not included in this: I included only the charges that would include what the charges are according to 297.04 that would be cause for the terms differential status).

 

[Jonas_Klein]

I have a different opinion. The R's and W's were not family or blood so familicide doesn't apply. That photo is from years ago, the W's son got the R's minor daughter pregnant and (in my world) you don't like him/them. You don't do anything that you don't have to do.

We have to beware of rumors and maybe I missed this but what source has said that KR and BW were friends. (It seems to me that the hate would come from HR's parents not KR) SW was HR's daughter not KR's. There was NO custody agreement in court and I can't figure out why the W's would kill HR's parents and brothers unless it was over custody. If HR died, then her mom, her dad, her brothers would have received custody IMO over any of the R's. HR had full custody of SW. If JW took her to KY without HR's approval then it was kidnapping. There was no legal way for JW to obtain full custody without SW 'and' the court's approval with a hearing. I want to know the attorney's name that wrote the forged custody document too.. If it wasn't the state of Ohio's form then it was illegal.

The question will be answered in court.

jmo

I know that I did not have a link yesterday to the news article and I corrected that.
Please feel free to tell me my mistakes in the future.

I am asking for a link to KR and BW relationship because it seems to be necessary or we should just all go to those wild wild west places.

How close was KRs killer?

Kendra Rhoden wonders if the loaded gun her dad kept near his head while he slept was also taken. She also doesn’t understand why her light-sleeping father wasn’t startled awake before he was shot once in the right eye. To her, that indicates he must have known or trusted his killer.

In Pike County, family clings to hope

 

[Cool Cats]

nope hers are obstruction of justice and perjury and a question of evidence came into play with the bullet proof vests at both maybe they are asking one of the charges be dropped and one retained or both be dropped because of the duplicate of evidence?

The Motion is to drop the entire Indictment against her, that means everything---both charges. Her Attorney will have to outline his reasons for this and that will be interesting.

03/15/2019 MOTION TO DISMISS INDICTMENT FILED Attorney: KOENIG, CHARLES A

 

[Betty P]

Pike county court has updated motion on Fredericka jmo

03/15/2019MOTION TO DISMISS INDICTMENT FILED Attorney: KOENIG, CHARLES A

JMO, her attorney is just making a bold, aggressive move. He seems to be trying to make the whole thing seem outrageous and the charges unfounded. I don't play poker, but imagine some of these tactics are the attorney calling the prosecution's bluff. First she claims she didn't hear the instructions properly, then she demands the names of all the grand jurors, now she demands the case be dismissed. I assume her attorney will present a good reason for that request.
Perhaps the court arranged to have her hearing tested and discovered she did hear the questions posed by the GJ.

FW has been behaving like a diva from the start, even though the court and prosecution have accommodated most of her requests. JMO, it hints at how some in her family have such entitled, imperious personalities that they feel justified in murdering a family of 8 when they don't get their way in a custody disagreement. The Wagners aren't used to anyone telling them "no", as FW is demonstrating here.

 

[Deleted member 239597]

The Motion is to drop the entire Indictment against her, that means everything---both charges. Her Attorney will have to outline his reasons for this and that will be interesting.

03/15/2019 MOTION TO DISMISS INDICTMENT FILED Attorney: KOENIG, CHARLES A

Ty I didn't read that right. Scary.

 

[Cool Cats]

Ty I didn't read that right. Scary.

Don't worry it will never happen. My opinion but I believe I am right. Her lawyer has to at least try it. I'm sure FW insists. Just like GW4 likely insisted his attorney ask for bail even though none of the other 3 did.

 

[Betty P]

Jmo I would think it would be illegal, but since her charges don’t include the listening and/or participation and etc against Governor, Sheriff and BCI it must either not be or not able to be proven Jmo

JMO, that's only speculation we've engaged in here. LE hasn't charged her with that offense. I'm guessing it's a bluff because she won't be able to prove she didn't understand the GJ question. They've got solid evidence against her on lying about the BPVs.

 

[Myland]

JMO, that's only speculation we've engaged in here. LE hasn't charged her with that offense. I'm guessing it's a bluff because she won't be able to prove she didn't understand the GJ question. They've got solid evidence against her on lying about the BPVs.

Jmo from what I have read perjury is a hard one to prove. I think the state is not really after her so much as to run the clock to keep it going in hopes of a confession from the other four. As close as the family has been portrayed they wouldn’t seem to want to see their grandma/mother in jail. Jmo

 

[Cool Cats]

JMO, that's only speculation we've engaged in here. LE hasn't charged her with that offense. I'm guessing it's a bluff because she won't be able to prove she didn't understand the GJ question. They've got solid evidence against her on lying about the BPVs.

Another thing to consider is the wording used in court. AC said FW was present for (at least one of)
the discussions in her home (threats) but did not say that FW actually participated in those conversations. We assume of course that FW did hear the threats made against LE, but there has been no indication what-so-ever that Fred made any of the threats herself.

The reason no one is charged for making the threats is because the threats were only discussed and not actually carried out against those in question. The Wagners would have literally had to threaten Reader, DeWine, and the Special BCI Agent directly for it to be a crime. I had posted an article about this before.

Example: You hear 2 people on wiretap talking about robbing a bank but they never do it. You can't charge them for discussing it. Now if they do rob the bank you can not only charge them for the robbery, but the wiretap proves there was a conspiracy to commit the robbery. The robbery wasn't just decided when they walked into the bank that day.

Sorry, I'm really simplifying it but I am only giving my 2 Cents off my own research. I will be happy to defere to a WS attorney.

 

[Myland]

Jmo from what I have read perjury is a hard one to prove. I think the state is not really after her so much as to run the clock to keep it going in hopes of a confession from the other four. As close as the family has been portrayed they wouldn’t seem to want to see their grandma/mother in jail. Jmo

Jmo if they are guilty that would be the best thing to happen as far as the cases. If one of them were to confess and turn on the others Jmo

 

[Cool Cats]

Jmo if they are guilty that would be the best thing to happen as far as the cases. If one of them were to confess and turn on the others Jmo

So if no one confesses and turns State's Evidence, can you imagine how much they each will want one of the others to go to Trial first?

 

[Caylee Advocate]

Another one bites the dust in Pike County. Thank God for Angela Canepa in this case against W4.

Pike County jury acquits man in 2017 assault of 2-year-old

 

[OhioBlues]

I am not understanding what seems to me to be justifying a legal charge of 'sex with a minor' (OR however it is worded in the indictment).

Could someone please explain to me why it is OK for a 15 year old to have sex with a 20 year old? It is in the indictment.

I am not trying to be difficult either. I think we are supposed to follow the legal laws.

I did have the numerical number wrong with JW and it should be 2950.

It concerned me when I heard (not on here) some people say that a 15 year old getting pregnant by a 20 year old is 'typical for the area' so there's nothing there. I believe that it is unacceptable. It doesn't matter to me about their parent's ages or anything else. We are a progressive society, should abide by the laws especially regarding child sex with an adult and we don't make special sex laws or certain provisions or exceptions for any particular region.

I know that the people in that area, do not want their daughters/sons having sex with an adult.