OH Pike County: 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested#45

[Loomis124]

I disagree. It's only presenting her inaccurate version of events. Angela Canepa replied with a different version of events, namely that FW and her attorney were asked to produce receipts to back up their claims, but did not. For months. Suddenly, months after she's arrested, she claims to find some receipts. The state is currently reviewing them to see if they're accurate, authentic or if they change anything. Who knows, they may be fake.

Prosecutor Canepa's response

Fredericka Wagner Motion to Dismiss Indictment

IIRC, the state didn't arrest FW for lying about what the BPVs were used for. They claim she lied about when they were purchased. That's the extent of it. We will find out later whether the state discovered whether these particular BPVs were actually used the night of the murders or were purchased later.

The state hasn't really begun to put their evidence cards on the table. When they do, it likely will show a very different set of facts than what FW and her family are alleging.

I totally agree, Betty. Let us not forget that AC also filed Supplemental Discovery March 22 in FW's case. I wish we knew what's in that document!

 

[Cool Cats]

And why did she change her story about buying the vests? She's said at various times that she bought them for Billy, then for herself and her daughter Robin. Back and forth.

It always raises a red flag when someone changes their story about evidence in a murder investigation.

I thought she only bought them for Billy. I don't doubt you, I just remember her saying that Robin would not wear a BPV and that she herself doesn't care if they shoot her. Which I find to be a peculiar statement...

 

[rsd1200]

I thought she only bought them for Billy. I don't doubt you, I just remember her saying that Robin would not wear a BPV and that she herself doesn't care if they shoot her. Which I find to be a peculiar statement...

I don't find the statement odd. A lot of things I did for the safety of my children, I never did for my own safety.

 

[Cool Cats]

I don't find the statement odd. A lot of things I did for the safety of my children, I never did for my own safety.

Right, same here. But her children and grandkids want their mom/grandma to stay alive, right? If I thought killers might target my mom/grandma I'd have my mom/grandma wear a BPV every time she stepped out of the house. Oh wait---maybe her kid and grandkids committed the murders so they had no reason to be concerned for her safety? My bad...

 

[RAISINISBACK]

Right, same here. But her children and grandkids want their mom/grandma to stay alive, right? If I thought killers might target my mom/grandma I'd have my mom/grandma wear a BPV every time she stepped out of the house. Oh wait---maybe her kid and grandkids committed the murders so they had no reason to be concerned for her safety? My bad...

The same reason Billy wouldn't wear it? Because he knew who killed the R's so he didn't need to take any precautions.

JMO

 

[Cool Cats]

The same reason Billy wouldn't wear it? Because he knew who killed the R's so he didn't need to take any precautions.

JMO

Yes absolutely. Unless of course, Billy's not really guilty and thought the murders were drug/cartel related and didn't apply to him or his family.

Did the Wagner's really do this? What do you think?

 

[rsd1200]

Right, same here. But her children and grandkids want their mom/grandma to stay alive, right? If I thought killers might target my mom/grandma I'd have my mom/grandma wear a BPV every time she stepped out of the house. Oh wait---maybe her kid and grandkids committed the murders so they had no reason to be concerned for her safety? My bad...

My kids can't make me do anything against my will. It's no skin off my nose either way, whether they wanted her to wear one or not. Jmo re; why she didn't.

 

[Coloradans28]

It doesn't have to be a physical injury to warp the brain. I too think it was juvenile. But that "brain damage" could have came from Fred keeping Billy the "baby of the family" so he never had a chance to grow beyond the teenager stage. But IANAP.

That’s the contol factor I was suggesting. Moo

 

[Cool Cats]

My kids can't make me do anything against my will. It's no skin off my nose either way, whether they wanted her to wear one or not. Jmo re; why she didn't.

Your right. Her kids could never make her do anything. Her lawyer said she's a "tough old bird" and I read an article where she was described as being "stern" and "in control of everything."

So yes that is something good about her, that she worried for Billy's safety. But why not Jake and Angie and George 4? Guess she didn't feel they were threatened.
Just Billy and Robin were threatened, I guess, in her mind.

 

[Coloradans28]

Your right. Her kids could never make her do anything. Her lawyer said she's a "tough old bird" and I read an article where she was described as being "stern" and "in control of everything."

So yes that is something good about her, that she worried for Billy's safety. But why not Jake and Angie and George 4? Guess she didn't feel they were threatened.
Just Billy and Robin were threatenedthreatened, I guess, in her mind.[/QUOTEFW controlled Gw3 but could not control her oldest son and that is why he lleft mommy has his own horse farm.

 

[rsd1200]

Your right. Her kids could never make her do anything. Her lawyer said she's a "tough old bird" and I read an article where she was described as being stern and in control of everything!

I don't think they could either. You have three children, one turns out like G3. It's not b/c she was too this or too that, with him, it's something else. She had her first two at 18 & 20, and G3 eight or nine years later. All three before moving to FWF. I feel like she didn't cut them any slack. The eldest has moved on, and has a family. The middle child has stuck around and managed the farm (not uncommon). I don't see a history of taking hold of anything on his own, or "their" own, as a family, until the Peterson Rd. home, and they had two grown children by then. I don't think that G3 is a Mamma's boy, I think he has something going on upstairs. Be it a TBI, or ODD that progressed over the years. There's something about that 7th grade education that makes me think that, and other little things about him. If it's ODD, then I believe it's very possible that one or both boys may have a personality disorder too.

 

[Cool Cats]

REPLYING TO @Coloradans28

Yes. I agree that Fred's oldest son wanted a life of his own not controlled by his parents, and thus struck out on his own and created his own wealth, his own horse farm. This is normal but for some reason Billy did not do this. Is it because Angie or Billy were getting $500 plus a month in disability plus Medicaid and didn't want to lose it? Or is it because Billy is mentally slow as has been suggested on here? (From a head injury ) Or he's too dependant on mom? Take your pick on a number of reasons........

 

[Merrygirl]

I thought the prison was SOCF, but didn't look it up. JMO

SOCF is in Lucasville, Scioto County, Oh. They will be there next!

 

[Loomis124]

Yes absolutely. Unless of course, Billy's not really guilty and thought the murders were drug/cartel related and didn't apply to him or his family.

Did the Wagner's really do this? What do you think?

No doubt in my mind. JMO of course.

 

[Caylee Advocate]

SOCF is in Lucasville, Scioto County, Oh. They will be there next!

Even if they are convicted and sentenced to the DP, they won't go to SOCF, the guys would go to death row at CCI *Chillicothe* or OSP in Youngstown (VERY BAD PLACE) and AW would be on death row at Marysville (BAD PLACE).

 

[Loomis124]

I can hardly wait until tomorrow!

Just hope we get to see something. After the initial meeting in Chambers, the last hearings of the Ws have not said much. I would love to see AC tear into FW and Owen...lol I'd be willing to bet she could take him down a notch or two, as my grandma used to say. It will be interesting to watch their body language, both knowing they are losing ground every day in this battle against the evidence. No doubt, Owen will draw(l) out every word, at least 3 times, while FW grits her teeth (watch her jaws). JMO

 

[Merrygirl]

As I understand it, four trials with four different juries are required. I think that is because they are DP cases...

I believe, although not 100% positive, they could have one trial with all four but each must have their own jury. That would be easiest for witnesses, families & lawyers and total costs. However there is NO PLACE in Southern Ohio that I can recall that would have that much room unless it was held in Cincinnati. Yet if they hold 4 separate trials it would be horrible for lawyers and witnesses to repeat EXACT details that was told in each of the previous trials unless they could somehow video record it. I’m not sure video recording could work cuz there’s bound to be sustained objections and those could not be edited out. Jmo.

 

[rsd1200]

Your right. Her kids could never make her do anything. Her lawyer said she's a "tough old bird" and I read an article where she was described as being "stern" and "in control of everything."

So yes that is something good about her, that she worried for Billy's safety. But why not Jake and Angie and George 4? Guess she didn't feel they were threatened.
Just Billy and Robin were threatened, I guess, in her mind.

BBM
R by default, by being at the farm, where G3 was staying there, at the farm, and helping w/his father, at the time. His father passed in 8/2017 (after they found the vests). I think that FW knows something though. Something that G3 was into, that he shouldn't have been, and at the time, she may have thought that's what happened to the Rs/HHG. CR1, and G3 included, were into something they shouldn't have been.

We all know that CR1, GR, and KR had grows (well GR...we don't know). To people FW's age that's not normally copacetic, and she knew that G3 and CR1 were friends. Many people of various ages, still see it as Jeff Sessions does; "Good people don't smoke marijuana". An acquaintance who obviously does not know me well, nor this case, thought it was the Ws who had the grow ops. Their comment on the ops? Despicable. (I was a bit taken aback as it is legal in their state of Ohio now.)

What mother would think that their grandchildren, or adult children, murdered eight people, in their sleep, and did so, while slipping through the night, to four different homes? My own mother, could never entertain such a thought, without rock solid proof. I've not seen rock solid proof yet, myself.

There were folks who believed, with almost certainty, it was professionally hired killers who came in from out of town and were long gone, and others who believed it was the cartel, others it was an inside job by LE, or it was someone who they were encroaching on their grow. Then we end up with the very ordinary looking, four Ws. If found guilty, this seems to be the only goal they've really succeeded at accomplishing.

FW: I thought they were gonna kill Billy
because he was such good friends with
Chris Rhoden.
I think they killed Chris because he
knew something, or was, and I didn't...
Atty interjects: She was speculating.

But if allegations are correct and her family did, in fact, commit the crimes, how would Wagner react?
“I wouldn’t stand up for them,” she said resolutely. “I would still love them. But I wouldn’t defend them. I wouldn’t in any way if I thought that. But I don’t believe that.
“I believe with all my heart and soul that they didn’t do it.”

A matriarch's fight: Fredericka Wagner denies charges, allegations in Pike County mass murder

 

[Betty P]

The same reason Billy wouldn't wear it? Because he knew who killed the R's so he didn't need to take any precautions.

JMO

Very true. None of them wore the BPVs because they knew who killed the Rhodens. They had nothing to fear, except from Sheriff Reader, BCI and DeWine.

 

[Betty P]

BBM
R by default, by being at the farm, where G3 was staying there, at the farm, and helping w/his father, at the time. His father passed in 8/2017 (after they found the vests). I think that FW knows something though. Something that G3 was into, that he shouldn't have been, and at the time, she may have thought that's what happened to the Rs/HHG. CR1, and G3 included, were into something they shouldn't have been.

We all know that CR1, GR, and KR had grows (well GR...we don't know). To people FW's age that's not normally copacetic, and she knew that G3 and CR1 were friends. Many people of various ages, still see it as Jeff Sessions does; "Good people don't smoke marijuana". An acquaintance who obviously does not know me well, nor this case, thought it was the Ws who had the grow ops. Their comment on the ops? Despicable. (I was a bit taken aback as it is legal in their state of Ohio now.)

What mother would think that their grandchildren, or adult children, murdered eight people, in their sleep, and did so, while slipping through the night, to four different homes? My own mother, could never entertain such a thought, without rock solid proof. I've not seen rock solid proof yet, myself.

There were folks who believed, with almost certainty, it was professionally hired killers who came in from out of town and were long gone, and others who believed it was the cartel, others it was an inside job by LE, or it was someone who they were encroaching on their grow. Then we end up with the very ordinary looking, four Ws. If found guilty, this seems to be the only goal they've really succeeded at accomplishing.



A matriarch's fight: Fredericka Wagner denies charges, allegations in Pike County mass murder

JMO, now that we've had some time to observe FW and how she manages herself and her family, I'm convinced she knew her son and his family murdered the Rhodens, from the time they did it. She's too much of a control freak when it comes to her family to not have known the custody battle was spilling over into violence. JMO, she was probably pushing the hardest for JW to get full custody, because it's about controlling her family. There's simply no way Billy, his wife and kids were able to murder the Rhodens without FW knowing about it.

JMO, I also believe the Wagners were involved in manufacturing, growing and/ or selling drugs. I think some of FW's tenants and land contract participants were involved in the same over the years and she may have demanded a portion of their profits as part of their payment on the contracts. FW spent most of her life running a farm and living in the midst of the most productive MJ growing area in Ohio. She's a powerful person who employed many people and rented/contracted properties to many others. She knew what was going on any time she went to her properties to see what tenants were up to or otherwise take care of business.

There aren't many people who live out in that area and everyone knows everyone else's business, including MJ growing and drug trafficking.