OH Pike County: 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested#45

[Cool Cats]

I still wonder where they were at that time. Back then, I assumed they were already on their way to or had arrived in AK. After seeing some recent evidence, it looks like they were still in town, possibly at that hotel down near Lucasville that showed up the other day where trash was later searched. Will have to go back to look for the name. Need to add this to the timeline.

2 Hotel names:
Days Inn and Jackson Days Inn. Please post if you find that hotel down near Lucasville.
https://html2-f.scribdassets.com/5zbix3y0ow6tp04l/images/7-f66b74f151.jpg

Jake and Angie gave interviews to the press through Facebook when asked about the searches. Angie said they were on vacation in Alaska but now we know we can't trust anything the Wagner's put out in the media, including Fred. And they could have been in town using their Facebook to give an interview, they didn't have to be long distance to do that.

".....The Wagners said officials left their property, which had been methodically packed and covered by tarps, exposed to the elements while they took a family vacation to Alaska. They said many items were either destroyed or remain missing........."

"......Angela Wagner said the family was provided copies of the search warrants, along with a list of items seized. But she said there was nothing on the warrant to indicate why authorities wanted to search a 71-acre farm in Peebles they had recently sold. (And search Fred's property using a SWAT team and search the car lot with their trailers.)

Why were properties searched in mass-killing probe? Owners say they don't know

"Just the addresses" were listed on the warrants, she said.

Wagner declined to provide copies of those warrants or the inventories of items officers took to The Enquirer for verification....... "

 

[Tiff23fr]

I'm also unsure why the attempt to purchase the Montana property would be part of discovery unless they attempted to purchase it with someone else's info (social security # in discovery maybe??). It's not typically illegal or a big deal to buy real estate.

If the property in Missouri is the one we initially thought it may be, it had two pending sales that fell through (almost back to back) just before the W's came back from Alaska. Angie's discovery shows 2 separate mortgage apps/companies.
Possibility??

Edit: one is the stated residential loan app and one mortgage documents. Yet these are two different lending companies. So they could still be two attempts at purchase. ???

 

[Dudly]

HMR was in her bed. I tend to think she was first for this reason.

DR would be moving or running after. She could have struggled with the assaillants as they exited HMR's bedroom.

If there were two shooters, DR and HMR may have been shot within seconds of each other.

 

[Tiff23fr]

2 Hotel names:
Days Inn and Jackson Days Inn. Please post if you find that hotel down near Lucasville.
https://html2-f.scribdassets.com/5zbix3y0ow6tp04l/images/7-f66b74f151.jpg

Jake and Angie gave interviews to the press through Facebook when asked about the searches. Angie said they were on vacation in Alaska but now we know we can't trust anything the Wagner's put out in the media, including Fred. And they could have been in town using their Facebook to give an interview, they didn't have to be long distance to do that.

".....The Wagners said officials left their property, which had been methodically packed and covered by tarps, exposed to the elements while they took a family vacation to Alaska. They said many items were either destroyed or remain missing........."

"......Angela Wagner said the family was provided copies of the search warrants, along with a list of items seized. But she said there was nothing on the warrant to indicate why authorities wanted to search a 71-acre farm in Peebles they had recently sold. (And search Fred's property using a SWAT team and search the car lot with their trailers.)

Why were properties searched in mass-killing probe? Owners say they don't know

"Just the addresses" were listed on the warrants, she said.

Wagner declined to provide copies of those warrants or the inventories of items officers took to The Enquirer for verification....... "

9 7 2 E M a i n St
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My GUESS of which hotel. The entries appear to be under the same date rather than multiple hotels.
Edit- added spaces and only first letter of city so this thread doesn't become a search result if someone is looking up the hotel

 

[Cool Cats]

I do agree Betty. I'm wondering if the Alaska "vacation" trip maye have occurrd earlier than we may have been led to believe. Just because Jake eluded to them being on vacation via social media, does not mean that's when the photos were actually taken.
The Jackson Days Inn trash search 6/8/17 was after the big searches in May but before the Bethel Hill rd search on 7/13/17. I wonder what they pitched at the hotel?

I also wonder if Montana was search warrants for July 2017. If they are, it appears two were executed and one was not. Was this part of the stop along the way to Alaska but possibly one trailer was no longer with them or one of the three vehicles took a different route from the others for some reason?

Just guesses

Do you have any information or links about the 7-13-17 Bethel Hill Rd. Search? Thankx.

And thankx @Tiff23fr for your answer to my other question about the hotel!...

 

[Betty P]

I've got a repairman coming over to do some electrical work this morning, but I'll try to get back to it this afternoon. I want to update our pre-arrest timeline and fill in the information that has come via discovery.

I'm going to add the date for searching the trash. Was there a date associated with the Montana information? Gotta go find that discovery doc.

 

[Tiff23fr]

Do you have any information or links about the 7-13-17 Bethel Hill Rd. Search? Thankx.

I remember seeing it in a discovery document but don't remember where. So I better say JMO for now.

Betty- I don't know if they are dates but in AW's discovery it says:
Montana:
SW-7-2017-255 (59pp)
SW-7-2017-256 (59pp)
SW-7-2017-257 (59pp) not executed

My deciphering led me to believe SW means search warrant and 7-2017 could be the date, with 255-257 being the issue number.
So it's JMO.

 

[Tiff23fr]

I'm also unsure why the attempt to purchase the Montana property would be part of discovery unless they attempted to purchase it with someone else's info (social security # in discovery maybe??). It's not typically illegal or a big deal to buy real estate.

If the property in Missouri is the one we initially thought it may be, it had two pending sales that fell through (almost back to back) just before the W's came back from Alaska. Angie's discovery shows 2 separate mortgage apps/companies.
Possibility??

Edit: one is the stated residential loan app and one mortgage documents. Yet these are two different lending companies. So they could still be two attempts at purchase. ???

Basically, I'm thinking they may not have wanted to come back to OH. They simply may have ran out of options. JMO

 

[Jayejayehilltop]

A few pages back the discussion went to gw4 asking to be put in solitary. I believe I know why, in jail and prison, the hollering goes on 24/7. There is only one way to get away from it and that is solitary. Of course he could have a 2 fold reason, second being that he is being threatened. In my opinion he deserves to be in general population where there is no peace and quiet but that could be why he asked for it.

 

[Betty P]

I remember seeing it in a discovery document but don't remember where. So I better say JMO for now.

Betty- I don't know if they are dates but in AW's discovery it says:
Montana:
SW-7-2017-255 (59pp)
SW-7-2017-256 (59pp)
SW-7-2017-257 (59pp) not executed

My deciphering led me to believe SW means search warrant and 7-2017 could be the date, with 255-257 being the issue number.
So it's JMO.

Ok, so at least that looks like July 2017. What is that? Some kind of real estate transaction or rental or what? How do we know its property related?

Here's what I have so far for this time period:

Tuesday, March 10, 2017
Jake Wagner's Peterson Rd house sells for %165,000

Thursday, April 13, 2017
PCSO/BCI conduct an audio interview with Jake Wagner
https://local12.com/news/local/jake-wagner-appears

Friday, April 21, 2017
Rhoden family members plead with public for tips to solve murders
Video: Rhoden family members plead for tips to solve massacre of 8

Saturday, April 22, 2017
Pike County LE place a GPS tracking device on truck owned by James Manley, brother of Dana Manley Rhoden. LE claims it was placed there because the truck was related to an aggravated murder case
http://www.cincinnati.com/story/new...ng-pike-county-massacre-case-court/101773632/

Friday, April 28, 2017
11:35 am - James Manley finds and removes tracking device and destroys it
http://www.cincinnati.com/story/new...ng-pike-county-massacre-case-court/101773632/

Wednesday, May 3, 2017
PCSO/BCI conducts an audio interview with Jake and Angela Wagner
Jake Wagner appears in court, some evidence turned over to his attorneys

Approx. May 5, 2017
Jacob Wagner asks ___ Brown if he can store some trailers on his property. He tells him his farm is sold and he and his brother have found good paying jobs “up north” and are moving there. He needs to move out of farm for new owners. JW drops off 3 trailers at the Brown property “a week before the search

Warrant: Investigators put GPS tracker on truck of Rhoden victim's brother

Monday, May 8, 2017
PCSO/BCI conducts audio interview with George Wagner III
Jake Wagner appears in court, some evidence turned over to his attorneys

Friday, May 5 - May 12, 2017
Sometime after dropping off 3 trailers loaded with furniture and personal possessions, Jacob Wagner and family leave the area. Later posts on FB show photos of them in a location resembling areas in Alaska or Canada.


Friday, May 12, 2017
Abt 11 am - PCSO, BCI, Adams County SO, Ohio Dept. of Corrections STAR and other Ohio LE agencies conduct a search at properties related to Jacob Wagner & family.

260 Peterson Rd, Peebles, OH - farm formerly owned by Wagner's parents, where JW resided with his mother, father, brother, daughter Sophia Rhoden Wagner and daughter of his brother George.

Unlimited Motors, St Hwy 41, Peebles, OH - Auto repair business and farm of ___ Brown, friend of J Wagner.

Ibid

Saturday, May 13, 2017
LE team PCSO, BCI) raids Flying W Farms. Franklin County Sheriff's office assists. Franklin County claims their SWAT team accompanied the raid, saying they had an arrest warrant. FCSO later retracts the statement. A neighbor of Flying W Farms who witnessed the vehicle caravan entering and leaving the property is interviewed, claiming there was a SWAT vehicle and an ambulance present.

http://www.cincinnati.com/story/new...elative-charged-evidence-tampering/101747576/
http://www.cincinnati.com/videos/news/2017/05/16/rhoden-investigation-intensifies/101759968/
From <https://www.websleuths.com/forums/threads/media-timeline-no-discussion-pike-co-oh-8-family-members-murdered.306329/page-8>

PCSO/BCI conducts an audio interview with Angela Wagner
Jake Wagner appears in court, some evidence turned over to his attorneys

Tuesday, May 16, 2017
PCSO/BCI conduct audio interview with Angela Wagner
Jake Wagner appears in court, some evidence turned over to his attorneys

June 8, 2017
BCI searches trash at Days Inn, Jackson, OH (presume this hotel where GW3 and family stayed)
https://html2-f.scribdassets.com/5zbix3y0ow6tp04l/images/7-f66b74f151.jpg

June 19, 2017
AG DeWine and Sheriff Reader make public appeal for information about Wagner family
Authorities seek information about family regarding Pike County slayings

June? 2017
Wagner family leaves Ohio to eventually end up living in Kenai, AK

July 2017
Wagner family has some kind of possible real estate transaction in Montana
(Need link to discovery document)

Thursday, December 14, 2017
Ohio Supreme Court rules against newspapers in lawsuit to release unredacted final autopsy reports
Ohio high court shields autopsy reports in Rhoden case - Times Gazette

 

[plumloco]

'Piketon Family Murders': Ex-boyfriend of slain Hannah Rhoden is slated to appear in court this week
Sorry if this was already posted!!

 

[Betty P]

'Piketon Family Murders': Ex-boyfriend of slain Hannah Rhoden is slated to appear in court this week
Sorry if this was already posted!!

Thanks, it helps to keep posting reminders. People don't always check in here in time to see.
Jake Wagner's hearing is tomorrow at 1:30 pm, but if things go as they have lately, the public part probably won't happen until 2:30.

We'll be watching, someone usually finds a live feed just before it begins.

 

[Dudly]

'Piketon Family Murders': Ex-boyfriend of slain Hannah Rhoden is slated to appear in court this week
Sorry if this was already posted!!

It says this is the final pretrial but I don't think that is correct....

 

[Dudly]

Thanks, it helps to keep posting reminders. People don't always check in here in time to see.
Jake Wagner's hearing is tomorrow at 1:30 pm, but if things go as they have lately, the public part probably won't happen until 2:30.

We'll be watching, someone usually finds a live feed just before it begins.

I wonder how many motions his attorneys will have...

 

[Steleheart]

Personal opinion is fine. Theory should be based on known facts...

PLEASE leave out the rumors even f you don't believe them.

Thanks all!

 

[Tiff23fr]

Ok, so at least that looks like July 2017. What is that? Some kind of real estate transaction or rental or what? How do we know its property related?

Here's what I have so far for this time period:

Tuesday, March 10, 2017
Jake Wagner's Peterson Rd house sells for %165,000

Thursday, April 13, 2017
PCSO/BCI conduct an audio interview with Jake Wagner
https://local12.com/news/local/jake-wagner-appears

Friday, April 21, 2017
Rhoden family members plead with public for tips to solve murders
Video: Rhoden family members plead for tips to solve massacre of 8

Saturday, April 22, 2017
Pike County LE place a GPS tracking device on truck owned by James Manley, brother of Dana Manley Rhoden. LE claims it was placed there because the truck was related to an aggravated murder case
http://www.cincinnati.com/story/new...ng-pike-county-massacre-case-court/101773632/

Friday, April 28, 2017
11:35 am - James Manley finds and removes tracking device and destroys it
http://www.cincinnati.com/story/new...ng-pike-county-massacre-case-court/101773632/

Wednesday, May 3, 2017
PCSO/BCI conducts an audio interview with Jake and Angela Wagner
Jake Wagner appears in court, some evidence turned over to his attorneys

Approx. May 5, 2017
Jacob Wagner asks ___ Brown if he can store some trailers on his property. He tells him his farm is sold and he and his brother have found good paying jobs “up north” and are moving there. He needs to move out of farm for new owners. JW drops off 3 trailers at the Brown property “a week before the search

Warrant: Investigators put GPS tracker on truck of Rhoden victim's brother

Monday, May 8, 2017
PCSO/BCI conducts audio interview with George Wagner III
Jake Wagner appears in court, some evidence turned over to his attorneys

Friday, May 5 - May 12, 2017
Sometime after dropping off 3 trailers loaded with furniture and personal possessions, Jacob Wagner and family leave the area. Later posts on FB show photos of them in a location resembling areas in Alaska or Canada.


Friday, May 12, 2017
Abt 11 am - PCSO, BCI, Adams County SO, Ohio Dept. of Corrections STAR and other Ohio LE agencies conduct a search at properties related to Jacob Wagner & family.

260 Peterson Rd, Peebles, OH - farm formerly owned by Wagner's parents, where JW resided with his mother, father, brother, daughter Sophia Rhoden Wagner and daughter of his brother George.

Unlimited Motors, St Hwy 41, Peebles, OH - Auto repair business and farm of ___ Brown, friend of J Wagner.

Ibid

Saturday, May 13, 2017
LE team PCSO, BCI) raids Flying W Farms. Franklin County Sheriff's office assists. Franklin County claims their SWAT team accompanied the raid, saying they had an arrest warrant. FCSO later retracts the statement. A neighbor of Flying W Farms who witnessed the vehicle caravan entering and leaving the property is interviewed, claiming there was a SWAT vehicle and an ambulance present.

http://www.cincinnati.com/story/new...elative-charged-evidence-tampering/101747576/
http://www.cincinnati.com/videos/news/2017/05/16/rhoden-investigation-intensifies/101759968/
From <https://www.websleuths.com/forums/threads/media-timeline-no-discussion-pike-co-oh-8-family-members-murdered.306329/page-8>

PCSO/BCI conducts an audio interview with Angela Wagner
Jake Wagner appears in court, some evidence turned over to his attorneys

Tuesday, May 16, 2017
PCSO/BCI conduct audio interview with Angela Wagner
Jake Wagner appears in court, some evidence turned over to his attorneys

June 8, 2017
BCI searches trash at Days Inn, Jackson, OH (presume this hotel where GW3 and family stayed)
https://html2-f.scribdassets.com/5zbix3y0ow6tp04l/images/7-f66b74f151.jpg

June 19, 2017
AG DeWine and Sheriff Reader make public appeal for information about Wagner family
Authorities seek information about family regarding Pike County slayings

June? 2017
Wagner family leaves Ohio to eventually end up living in Kenai, AK

July 2017
Wagner family has some kind of possible real estate transaction in Montana
(Need link to discovery document)

Thursday, December 14, 2017
Ohio Supreme Court rules against newspapers in lawsuit to release unredacted final autopsy reports
Ohio high court shields autopsy reports in Rhoden case - Times Gazette

My personal opinion is Missouri and Montana are 2 separate things.

Montana in July 2017 could be one of the searches of personal property on the way to Alaska. Jake says ND, but it is right next door to MT and we clearly can't believe all he says. Note 2 were searched. I think authorities could have been expecting 3 (personal opinion) which is why only 2 were executed.

"Conklin said the family arrived driving two heavy-duty pickup trucks pulling a large horse trailer and another 24-foot-long trailer covered with a tarp and have been in the process of unpacking it.

Jake Wagner told Conklin it took the family about a week to drive to Alaska and they got stopped at the Canadian border in North Dakota. Officials there made them unload the trailers and reload them before letting them pass through."

Alaskan meets his new neighbors: A family named in Rhoden massacre investigation

Missouri real estate my opinion ould be early '18: personal opinion could be after they left Alaska. Look under price history for Feb and Mar on Zillow and you will see two pending sales that fell through. My opinion is it could have been when it was time to leave Alaska they may have wanted to go. When it fell through they came to OH. All opinion

All JMO

 

[Betty P]

I'm also unsure why the attempt to purchase the Montana property would be part of discovery unless they attempted to purchase it with someone else's info (social security # in discovery maybe??). It's not typically illegal or a big deal to buy real estate.

If the property in Missouri is the one we initially thought it may be, it had two pending sales that fell through (almost back to back) just before the W's came back from Alaska. Angie's discovery shows 2 separate mortgage apps/companies.
Possibility??

Edit: one is the stated residential loan app and one mortgage documents. Yet these are two different lending companies. So they could still be two attempts at purchase. ???

Apologies if I missed something, but how could the W's purchase properties/homes when none of them had gainful employment? Was someone offering to pony up the cash?

 

[Tiff23fr]

Apologies if I missed something, but how could the W's purchase properties/homes when none of them had gainful employment? Was someone offering to pony up the cash?

I just found it interesting they appear to have applied per her discovery. Beyond that and details around it would be speculation at this time.

 

[Betty P]

My personal opinion is Missouri and Montana are 2 separate things.

Montana in July 2017 could be one of the searches of personal property on the way to Alaska. Jake says ND, but it is right next door to MT and we clearly can't believe all he says. Note 2 were searched. I think authorities could have been expecting 3 (personal opinion) which is why only 2 were executed.

"Conklin said the family arrived driving two heavy-duty pickup trucks pulling a large horse trailer and another 24-foot-long trailer covered with a tarp and have been in the process of unpacking it.

Jake Wagner told Conklin it took the family about a week to drive to Alaska and they got stopped at the Canadian border in North Dakota. Officials there made them unload the trailers and reload them before letting them pass through."

Alaskan meets his new neighbors: A family named in Rhoden massacre investigation

Missouri real estate: personal opinion could be after they left Alaska. Look under price history for Feb and Mar on Zillow and you will see two pending sales that fell through. My opinion is it could have been when it was time to leave Alaska they may have wanted to go. When it fell through they came to OH. All opinion

All JMO

The Montana transactions were July of 2017.

From your post above:

Montana:
SW-7-2017-255 (59pp)
SW-7-2017-256 (59pp)
SW-7-2017-257 (59pp) not executed

Will have to find the Missouri info. I know I looked up the location of the property, down near Lebanon, MO, south of Lake of the Ozarks.

 

[Tiff23fr]

The Montana transactions were July of 2017.

From your post above:

Montana:
SW-7-2017-255 (59pp)
SW-7-2017-256 (59pp)
SW-7-2017-257 (59pp) not executed

Will have to find the Missouri info. I know I looked up the location of the property, down near Lebanon, MO, south of Lake of the Ozarks.

Just my opinion this could be it:
https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/176-State-Road-P-Long-Lane-MO-65590/123289241_zpid/