OH Pike County: 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested#48

[Betty P]

Reading the board, and watching the news, is my only source of info. I have no idea what public opinion is in pike co, but I really don’t see he being found guilty by a jury biased on the Amazon vs ebay answer. Finding the dates on the vests to be after the murder is another big issue to me. All from outside looking in. Moo please don’t throw rocks at me, just saying to those that doesn’t have a preconceived notion about her or her businesses the case looks like it was mainly a pressure tactic on the other defendants

I understand, no rocks thrown. On the surface it seems like a simple mixup. The problem is that FW must not have submitted proof of her purchase as promised, or the charge would have been dropped. Either that or there's more details to the charge than simply a mistake about Amazon vs EBay. We'll find out when the trial begins.

 

[Puzzles8]

I think the Prosecution charged FW with just enough to help keep her under some control but still able to let her incriminate herself further.
If she has the actual receipts for the BPVs found, she has nothing to worry about. But, for some reason wants that search warrant null and void the way it appears. Were other things found under that same search warrant that would be thrown out if it was if it was found an illegal search? Is that what she is trying to accomplish?

Maybe she knows exactly where the BPV receipts are, but doesn't want to reveal other information on the receipt - the date they were purchased, who she purchased them from and potential information about other items purchased on the same receipt along with the BPV's.
Those receipts might tell a story Fred doesn't want told.

 

[Puzzles8]

In today's video, I also thought I heard ... "she has to prove that".

Where is that poster that has the audio enhancement software?

I'd rather find some one that can read lips!

 

[Puzzles8]

Why would LE give someone all the peoples names and information that testified against her family to the grand jury after the family has already threatened to kill a sheriff, the governor and a BCI agent, that doesn’t make good sense IMO.

I wonder why the Waggs wanted to target that one specific BCI agent?

 

[Cool Cats]

I wonder why the Waggs wanted to target that one specific BCI agent?

Special Agent with the Ohio Attorney General's Office, Ryan Scheiderer, was one of the officers who put in the initial Warrant request for the GPS to be put on JM's truck. He was there when things changed and they dropped the charges on JM and started the searches and laser focus on the Wagners.

He was the BCI Special Agent on the case full time and got under their skin. Along with Reader and DeWine, he was the name and face of the investigation and he committed the unforgivable sin, he just wouldn't go away. If they got revenge on Reader and DeWine and Scheiderer, (apparently their 3 main targets) they would have gotten revenge on "everyone".

rohden murders - Bing images

 

[Jayejayehilltop]

I'd rather find some one that can read lips!

IMO, I believe she was chewing gum to try and hopefully keep anyone from reading lips

 

[ColMustard]

IMO, I believe she was chewing gum to try and hopefully keep anyone from reading lips

Was thinking the same thing.

I'm halfway expecting an Edgar Bergman routine as well.

 

[Cool Cats]

IMO, I believe she was chewing gum to try and hopefully keep anyone from reading lips

You just answered a question for me. When she was sitting in the gallery she would put her hand up and cover her mouth while whispering to Robin. She does the same with her attorney. She's the only one who hides her face when she is talking in someone's ear.
I think you and @ColMustard are correct, that she is keeping everyone from reading her lips. She is very camera conscience.

A prime example:
https://www.gannett-cdn.com/presto/2019/03/28........
But she's different at home:
https://expo.advance.net/........

 

[Dudly]

You just answered a question for me. When she was sitting in the gallery she would put her hand up and cover her mouth while whispering to Robin. She does the same with her attorney. She's the only one who hides her face when she is talking in someone's ear.
I think you and @ColMustard are correct, that she is keeping everyone from reading her lips. She is very camera conscience.

A prime example:
https://www.gannett-cdn.com/presto/2019/03/28

Maybe all the odd behavior has a purpose. Maybe getting the public to think she is an unusual, forgetful, lil' old lady would help make her look less likely to be guilty of purposely doing things that are not legal. For example, purposely not being truthful to a GJ or to LE. Or, forgetting where she buys things even though she claimed to have receipts that were not turned over like she offered.

 

[Cool Cats]

Maybe all the odd behavior has a purpose. Maybe getting the public to think she is an unusual, forgetful, lil' old lady would help make her look less likely to be guilty of purposely doing things that are not legal. For example, purposely not being truthful to a GJ or to LE. Or, forgetting where she buys things even though she claimed to have receipts that were not turned over like she offered.

Opinion....
Her whole career and life have been about perception. How do the horses look? How does the advertising look? How does the property look? How does her reputation look? Especially, how wealthy does she look with so much land?

Thus....
How does she look now that she's been arrested?
No one wants anything to do with her which means she looks bad.
How can she make herself look better?


Ah ha! Use of the camera! This is a high profile case with articles written and video played every time she goes to court. By now she and Owen have studied how she comes across on camera but there is only so much acting she can do in a court of law. Why not beef things up? Get images of her with a bible and picture of Jesus in her homey cluttered kitchen we can all relate to, (the clutter not left there by accident) and round it out by taking on the tough lil' old granny role holding a pretend rifle?

My point being that there is a method to her "madness." The image is everything. And the image presented to the Future Pike County Jury needs to paint her as you say: an "innocent lil' old lady" who doesn't care if they shoot her (quote) but wants to protect her family with bullet proof vests...

 

[OhioBlues]

Maybe all the odd behavior has a purpose. Maybe getting the public to think she is an unusual, forgetful, lil' old lady would help make her look less likely to be guilty of purposely doing things that are not legal. For example, purposely not being truthful to a GJ or to LE. Or, forgetting where she buys things even though she claimed to have receipts that were not turned over like she offered.

This is exactly what I think.

 

[Tiff23fr]

Looks like we can add another court date next week, but this one won't be live. RN's son, CN - Indicted May 1 on two charges, with co-defendants. Scioto county common pleas court.

https://sciotocountycpcourt.org/eservices/search.page.3?x=mH8Kexb-rAW*72RGjjYVKQ

Metal scrapping and improper titles.. those are interesting charges

Below is more on the entities entangled with the TacPro Gear case you referenced earlier. I wonder who all Rita regularly provided notary services to and used the Oak Hill PO Box for as compared to the South Webster PO Box.

I'm still on the fence if any of this could be relevant. It seems pretty far out there given what we have heard so far. It only came to my attention based on the individuals registered to the Oak Hill PO Box.

https://highlandcountypress.com/Con...-multiple-U-S-District-Court-cases/2/20/46647

FBI: Entrepreneur Agreed To Launder Colombian Drug Money Through Texas Residential Development Project

North Texas Luxury Doomsday Resort Files For Bankruptcy

ABINGTON EMERSON CAPITAL, | Case No. 2:17-cv-143. | 20180601h63 | Leagle.com

https://www.google.com/amp/s/dockets.justia.com/docket/ohio/ohsdce/2:2017cv00719/205455?amp

Tujague v. Adkins, Civil Action No. 4:18-CV-631 | Casetext

"flew back and forth between here and Ohio looking for investors to dupe in this scam,"

Edit: SurvivalFoods1 website is on the way back machine if you want to see it. It was prepper foods, solar supplies, etc. The phone number appears to be possibly Parkersburg, WV. The Loys Run address it was connected to is part of the White Pines properties.

SurvivalFoods1 in Piketon , OH

 

[Dudly]

Metal scrapping and improper titles.. those are interesting charges

Below is more on the entities entangled with the TacPro Gear case you referenced earlier. I wonder who all Rita regularly provided notary services to and used the Oak Hill PO Box for as compared to the South Webster PO Box.

I'm still on the fence if any of this could be relevant. It seems pretty far out there given what we have heard so far. It only came to my attention based on the individuals registered to the Oak Hill PO Box.

https://highlandcountypress.com/Con...-multiple-U-S-District-Court-cases/2/20/46647

FBI: Entrepreneur Agreed To Launder Colombian Drug Money Through Texas Residential Development Project

North Texas Luxury Doomsday Resort Files For Bankruptcy

ABINGTON EMERSON CAPITAL, | Case No. 2:17-cv-143. | 20180601h63 | Leagle.com

https://www.google.com/amp/s/dockets.justia.com/docket/ohio/ohsdce/2:2017cv00719/205455?amp

Tujague v. Adkins, Civil Action No. 4:18-CV-631 | Casetext

"flew back and forth between here and Ohio looking for investors to dupe in this scam,"

Edit: SurvivalFoods1 website is on the way back machine if you want to see it. It was prepper foods, solar supplies, etc. The phone number appears to be possibly Parkersburg, WV. The Loys Run address it was connected to is part of the White Pines properties.

SurvivalFoods1 in Piketon , OH

Isn't White Pines an entity of FW? She has several properties and businesses under a White Pines. I suppose there could be more with that name than her properties but it looks like a connection of some kind.

 

[FrescaandSouthernComfort]

Metal scrapping and improper titles.. those are interesting charges

Below is more on the entities entangled with the TacPro Gear case you referenced earlier. I wonder who all Rita regularly provided notary services to and used the Oak Hill PO Box for as compared to the South Webster PO Box.

I'm still on the fence if any of this could be relevant. It seems pretty far out there given what we have heard so far. It only came to my attention based on the individuals registered to the Oak Hill PO Box.

https://highlandcountypress.com/Con...-multiple-U-S-District-Court-cases/2/20/46647

FBI: Entrepreneur Agreed To Launder Colombian Drug Money Through Texas Residential Development Project

North Texas Luxury Doomsday Resort Files For Bankruptcy

ABINGTON EMERSON CAPITAL, | Case No. 2:17-cv-143. | 20180601h63 | Leagle.com

https://www.google.com/amp/s/dockets.justia.com/docket/ohio/ohsdce/2:2017cv00719/205455?amp

Tujague v. Adkins, Civil Action No. 4:18-CV-631 | Casetext

"flew back and forth between here and Ohio looking for investors to dupe in this scam,"

Edit: SurvivalFoods1 website is on the way back machine if you want to see it. It was prepper foods, solar supplies, etc. The phone number appears to be possibly Parkersburg, WV. The Loys Run address it was connected to is part of the White Pines properties.

SurvivalFoods1 in Piketon , OH

When Survival Foods1 appeared in the area, it was started by a
man in his late forties early fifties named S Wilson. Stated he
was a Frito-Lay wholesaler from Pomeroy-Parkersburg Area.
This happened in the late 2013, early 2014 timeline. At this
same time Jake & GIV were starting a mud run business and
Geo3 and AW were running Muddy Mountain Pocket Beagles
from the 845 Bethel Hill address. Hanna & Tabitha were still
with the boys along with the 2 babies. JMO.

 

[Betty P]

Special Agent with the Ohio Attorney General's Office, Ryan Scheiderer, was one of the officers who put in the initial Warrant request for the GPS to be put on JM's truck. He was there when things changed and they dropped the charges on JM and started the searches and laser focus on the Wagners.

He was the BCI Special Agent on the case full time and got under their skin. Along with Reader and DeWine, he was the name and face of the investigation and he committed the unforgivable sin, he just wouldn't go away. If they got revenge on Reader and DeWine and Scheiderer, (apparently their 3 main targets) they would have gotten revenge on "everyone".

rohden murders - Bing images

My theory has been that early on, the Wagners were feeding BCI and PCSO false information about the surviving Manley and/or Rhoden family members as suspects up to the time of JM's arrest. Perhaps Ryan Scheiderer was the first one who finally figured out the Wagners were lying and leading them astray.

As much as we've seen FW running the show for her family after their arrests, it's logical that she may have been directing the effort to deceive LE with fake leads and info after the murders. She may not have known about the murder plans in advance, but (JMO) she possibly found out her family was involved soon after. With her local Boss Hogg reputation, she may have been using her skills and influence to keep LE running in circles, feeding her family ideas for fake tips, etc. to give investigators during their interviews. It would fit her character, JMO, that she would become angry and develop a major grudge against the investigators who first turned against the Ws. JMO, this is why she's still facing charges. They have more info on her involvement that they're not yet revealing.

MOO

 

[Betty P]

Metal scrapping and improper titles.. those are interesting charges

Below is more on the entities entangled with the TacPro Gear case you referenced earlier. I wonder who all Rita regularly provided notary services to and used the Oak Hill PO Box for as compared to the South Webster PO Box.

I'm still on the fence if any of this could be relevant. It seems pretty far out there given what we have heard so far. It only came to my attention based on the individuals registered to the Oak Hill PO Box.

https://highlandcountypress.com/Con...-multiple-U-S-District-Court-cases/2/20/46647

FBI: Entrepreneur Agreed To Launder Colombian Drug Money Through Texas Residential Development Project

North Texas Luxury Doomsday Resort Files For Bankruptcy

ABINGTON EMERSON CAPITAL, | Case No. 2:17-cv-143. | 20180601h63 | Leagle.com

https://www.google.com/amp/s/dockets.justia.com/docket/ohio/ohsdce/2:2017cv00719/205455?amp

Tujague v. Adkins, Civil Action No. 4:18-CV-631 | Casetext

"flew back and forth between here and Ohio looking for investors to dupe in this scam,"

Edit: SurvivalFoods1 website is on the way back machine if you want to see it. It was prepper foods, solar supplies, etc. The phone number appears to be possibly Parkersburg, WV. The Loys Run address it was connected to is part of the White Pines properties.

SurvivalFoods1 in Piketon , OH

So much to unpack here. Great work!

What's the connection, then, between the Wagners, White Pines, SurvivalFoods1 and "business associates" in Parkersburg, WV? Money laundering and prepper businesses, possibly reaching to Ohio? PCSO and Ohio's AG office had better be fully investigating all of this activity, not just the Rhoden murders. Billy Wagner, according to tv interviews with neighbors was involved in metal and parts scrapping.

Many of us have long suspected money laundering is part of the underground criminal ecosystem in Pike County and surrounding area. There's been too much drugs (and dirty cash) running through there (and all of southern Ohio) the last several years. I hope Jason Bateman is following this investigation for ideas on the storyline for upcoming "Ozark" episodes. Truth is much crazier than fiction.

ETA: The PO Box addresses showing up in relation to different businesses can't be a coincidence. That said, if RN was doing sketchy notary work for others, she didn't appear to be making much money from it.

 

[almond]

I understand, no rocks thrown. On the surface it seems like a simple mixup. The problem is that FW must not have submitted proof of her purchase as promised, or the charge would have been dropped. Either that or there's more details to the charge than simply a mistake about Amazon vs EBay. We'll find out when the trial begins.

Hi Betty, I'm under the impression that the receipts from PayPal have been turned over. I know I saw photos of that paper work on SM but still tryin to locate it.
These media stories also say they've been turned over. If I'm incorrect forgive me, tough day here.
"Prosecutors have charged Wagner with lying about purchasing the vests and believed they were used in the Rhoden murders. But Owen provided receipts and information to the court showing the vests were purchased through PayPal on eBay and not Amazon. "
Wagner matriarch returns to court over evidence in Pike County murders

 

[Betty P]

Hi Betty, I'm under the impression that the receipts from PayPal have been turned over. I know I saw photos of that paper work on SM but still tryin to locate it.
These media stories also say they've been turned over. If I'm incorrect forgive me, tough day here.
"Prosecutors have charged Wagner with lying about purchasing the vests and believed they were used in the Rhoden murders. But Owen provided receipts and information to the court showing the vests were purchased through PayPal on eBay and not Amazon. "
Wagner matriarch returns to court over evidence in Pike County murders

Thanks, I read that, too. At this point, we only have the word of FW and Owen that this has happened and that the information they might have provided is what the prosecution and court requires. FW may have provided some documentation, but it might not be everything required.

As for any receipts posted on social media, that can't be verified either. It's possible to photoshop all kinds of things.

For now, I can't imagine Judge Deering would put his reputation on the line by risking of an appeal from FW over these receipts. The judge is now running a trial that's getting national media coverage. Prosecutor Canepa has said the charges are about much more than we know publicly, so I'm putting my trust in the prosecutor and the judge (as opposed to the mother/gmother of a family who is accused of murdering 8 people) that the criminal charge has not been addressed to the judge's satisfaction.

Not trying to be snarky here, nor negative to you. Just trying to stick to the facts as we know them.

 

[MittenScarpetta]

So much to unpack here. Great work!

What's the connection, then, between the Wagners, White Pines, SurvivalFoods1 and "business associates" in Parkersburg, WV? Money laundering and prepper businesses, possibly reaching to Ohio? PCSO and Ohio's AG office had better be fully investigating all of this activity, not just the Rhoden murders. Billy Wagner, according to tv interviews with neighbors was involved in metal and parts scrapping.

Many of us have long suspected money laundering is part of the underground criminal ecosystem in Pike County and surrounding area. There's been too much drugs (and dirty cash) running through there (and all of southern Ohio) the last several years. I hope Jason Bateman is following this investigation for ideas on the storyline for upcoming "Ozark" episodes. Truth is much crazier than fiction.

ETA: The PO Box addresses showing up in relation to different businesses can't be a coincidence. That said, if RN was doing sketchy notary work for others, she didn't appear to be making much money from it.

This may be unrelated, but there is a section on this portion of discovery in regards to Latent Prints ran out of WV for Billy, Angela, Jake, and George. Page 6 of the discovery.
Angela Wagner

 

[Betty P]

This may be unrelated, but there is a section on this portion of discovery in regards to Latent Prints ran out of WV for Billy, Angela, Jake, and George. Page 6 of the discovery.
Angela Wagner

Yes, that's unusual. Latent print analysis by the West Virginia State Patrol for Billy, Jake and GW4. IIRC, some here at WS speculated that it may have had something to do with a vehicle they sold to someone in WVa? I don't recall exactly. I hope we find out.