OH - Pike County: 8 people from one family dead as police hunt for killer(s) #19

[jk204]

Hello The_OG, are you there?

You indicated in previous posts you believed in i) a love triangle and ii) 2 perps.

I get the love triangles part. What tells you there must have been 2 perps?

 

[Dr. Know?]

Rhoden case: 'Hate seeing my daughter cry'

The father of a surviving Rhoden child started a ******** account to help with legal bills he acquired to gain custody of his toddler-aged daughter.

Jake Wagner still can't quite bring himself to tell his 2 1/2-year-old daughter that her mommy is dead.

It's the finality of that word that stops him. He worries about the tow-headed toddler's unpredictable reaction. There will be, he knows, so many questions. He is concerned, too, she may become frightened.

Hanna Rhoden and Wagner shared custody of Sophia, who was supposed to be with her mom that fateful Friday evening, he said. But Wagner picked her up a day earlier than normal: "I reckon we missed it by just hours."

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http://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/2016/07/29/rhoden-case-hate-seeing-my-daughter-cry/87645382/

 

[PDub]

Thank goodness I'm not the only one who feels this way! I think it's disgusting!

 

[RichP]

Thank goodness I'm not the only one who feels this way! I think it's disgusting!

What do you find disgusting? Would help a lot if people would respond w/quotes when appropriate.

 

[Obiwankenobi]

Rhoden case: 'Hate seeing my daughter cry'





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http://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/2016/07/29/rhoden-case-hate-seeing-my-daughter-cry/87645382/

Thank you for supplying this. I posted about this yesterday but it looks to have been removed since it was posted on SM.

 

[glf]

I would really like to know why children's svcs, and LE wants everything to be secret and wants to seal everything pertaining to this case remain that way. I don't believe the county is trying to protect the kids, or protect the rest of the Rhoden family, they are trying to protect themselves, because things may not be following the procedures set by the state. I have a feeling child custody, especially where Hannah's son is concerned is going to be a long, drawn out battle. And not because there aren't two dozen family members who would make good parents, but because in the eyes of the people working for child svcs, none of them are good enough. After all they did have parents and grandparents who were breaking the law.
Even if those two dozen relatives checks out in every area child svcs can think of, they will find something wrong even if it is something like their job doesn't pay them enough! DISCRIMINATION!!! Plain and simple, illegal.
If I had the time to write a book, I could tell about a child custody battle some acquaintances went through several years ago. I think it wound up getting so ridiculous and stupid and petty they gave up. I'm certain child svcs wants Rhoden family members to do the same. It's pathetic (and illegal) to treat people like dirt because the case workers have formed a negative opinion about people before they have even met them.

 

[rsd1200]

Rhoden case: 'Hate seeing my daughter cry'





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http://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/2016/07/29/rhoden-case-hate-seeing-my-daughter-cry/87645382/

There are so many unwed parents who do not establish paternity when a child is born. They do not think of all of the things that could occur that would require that the father be legally acknowledged as the father. Had the two of them signed an Acknowledgment of Paternity Affidavit at the birth, at the hospital, he'd most likely not had to have gone through all of this. But, w/o that, he is not considered the legal father now, w/o DNA testing to prove that he is. If they had been married, by law, he'd have been the legal parent (even if, by chance, he wasn't). By not establishing paternity at the time of birth or shortly thereafter, the mother didn't even have to allow him visits, she could have moved the child out of state, married someone else who could have adopted the child, etc... Even if he signed his name on the birth certificate, if the parent's are unwed, that is not enough these days.

 

[oh_gal]

If it hadn't been for the press we wouldn't even know about the "grow ops". We would know that eight people were shot at 4 different locations on April 22, 2016, period. Their names might have come out, but the LE hasn't released anything really. I as part of the general public became very scared. A whole family "wiped out" in a quiet rural little town in mid America, isn't even safe to live in ? Anyone, living a so called "normal" life (normal as in mainstream) would be terrified! That's normal! Keeping everything a mystery in a crime of this magnitude isn't "normal" The police, AG, BCI whatever you want to call the powers that be are the ones who are creating this mass mistrust, not the family, not the public.

The biggest fear, is fear of the unknown. I mean, how do you protect your "loved ones", yourself, anyone you love, when you don't know how this happened? Having to wonder, if something you've done or said might "set" whoever it was "off" again? I don't want to know "all the gory details" and I already know more about this "poor family" than I would want someone knowing about me!

All this is IMO, but I'm tired of worrying, I'm tired of being scared and I'm tired of being lied to. Not releasing information in this case is so cruel to the family first of all, and is insulting to me GQ public! Ok I think this little "rant" is over..................for now lol

Sorry if this has been addressed already, I'm reading hit and skip here, trying to catch up. Part of the reason that I've read (in mainstream media) that they may be reluctant to put any information out there has to do with death benefits being paid out. I guess there are certain agencies that would pay for their funerals, but not if their deaths were caused by drugs -- or they had drugs in their systems at the time of death. I'm sorry, but I can't recall if I read that on local news sites (I'm in Ohio), or if it was cnn or yahoo. I'll see if I can find it, but it was earlier this week.

From the article:
Besides shedding the first light on what might have happened, the autopsy reports have real implications for the Rhoden, Manley and Gilley families. Funeral bills for the eight total well over $60,000. The families can apply for state money for victims of crime that would help to cover those expenses. But they're only eligible if the person who died had not used drugs. The final autopsy reports would include toxicology test results to determine that. Delay of a final official ruling from the coroner can also tie up probate and life insurance matters.

http://www.dispatch.com/content/sto..._final_autopsies_in_Pike_County_killings.html

 

[CSIDreamer]

Sorry if this has been addressed already, I'm reading hit and skip here, trying to catch up. Part of the reason that I've read (in mainstream media) that they may be reluctant to put any information out there has to do with death benefits being paid out. I guess there are certain agencies that would pay for their funerals, but not if their deaths were caused by drugs -- or they had drugs in their systems at the time of death. I'm sorry, but I can't recall if I read that on local news sites (I'm in Ohio), or if it was cnn or yahoo. I'll see if I can find it, but it was earlier this week.

From the article:
Besides shedding the first light on what might have happened, the autopsy reports have real implications for the Rhoden, Manley and Gilley families. Funeral bills for the eight total well over $60,000. The families can apply for state money for victims of crime that would help to cover those expenses. But they're only eligible if the person who died had not used drugs. The final autopsy reports would include toxicology test results to determine that. Delay of a final official ruling from the coroner can also tie up probate and life insurance matters.

http://www.dispatch.com/content/sto..._final_autopsies_in_Pike_County_killings.html

I'd think they'd still need need the final toxicology results to apply for those benefits. It seems to me that refusing the release the information is really dragging out every financial detail, right down to funeral expense help.

 

[rsd1200]

Sorry if this has been addressed already, I'm reading hit and skip here, trying to catch up. Part of the reason that I've read (in mainstream media) that they may be reluctant to put any information out there has to do with death benefits being paid out. I guess there are certain agencies that would pay for their funerals, but not if their deaths were caused by drugs -- or they had drugs in their systems at the time of death. I'm sorry, but I can't recall if I read that on local news sites (I'm in Ohio), or if it was cnn or yahoo. I'll see if I can find it, but it was earlier this week.

From the article:
Besides shedding the first light on what might have happened, the autopsy reports have real implications for the Rhoden, Manley and Gilley families. Funeral bills for the eight total well over $60,000. The families can apply for state money for victims of crime that would help to cover those expenses. But they're only eligible if the person who died had not used drugs. The final autopsy reports would include toxicology test results to determine that. Delay of a final official ruling from the coroner can also tie up probate and life insurance matters.

http://www.dispatch.com/content/sto..._final_autopsies_in_Pike_County_killings.html

I addressed this earlier, there is a specific order that has to be followed for the family members to get a copy of the autopsy report. We don't know from this article if any of them have attempted to file the request for them. Tony Rhoden cannot walk in there and get the autopsy reports for everyone who was killed. He is not next of kin. I posted this earlier, and it's for Union Co., Ohio, but I'd say it's pretty much the same in most counties, some might differ though.
http://www.co.union.oh.us/index.cfm?fuseaction=content.faq&faqTypeID=40065

 

[glf]

When I mentioned Tony meeting with LE about the autopsy reports, I guess he and his mom would have to do that together, and even if they couldn't get Dana's and Hannah's, their next of kin could do the same thing, if they so desired.
Ohio must have some crazy laws when it comes to babies born out of wedlock. Nobody ever dreams something like this could ever happen to anyone, and certainly when they are young parents. Of the few states I have worked in, if the dad's name is on the birth certificate, he is the legal parent, same as the mother. I'm really glad Jake got everything legalized for his daughter, but I think it's a bunch of baloney he had to go through all of that!

 

[rsd1200]

When I mentioned Tony meeting with LE about the autopsy reports, I guess he and his mom would have to do that together, and even if they couldn't get Dana's and Hannah's, their next of kin could do the same thing, if they so desired.
Ohio must have some crazy laws when it comes to babies born out of wedlock. Nobody ever dreams something like this could ever happen to anyone, and certainly when they are young parents. Of the few states I have worked in, if the dad's name is on the birth certificate, he is the legal parent, same as the mother. I'm really glad Jake got everything legalized for his daughter, but I think it's a bunch of baloney he had to go through all of that!

Yes, CR1's and KR's mother is who would have to file the paperwork. As far as unwed parents, that's the same way here, and most other states. You can't just walk up and say, I'm the Daddy and I want visitation, and this and that, if you and the mother are unwed. Same goes for the mom, she can't go for child support without proof that the father is the father. That's why signing the Acknowledgement Form is wise for both parties to do at the time of birth (unless the father is unsure he's the father).

When the birth certificate is filed at the hospital, it is pretty clear who the mother is, not so much with the father. Only if you are married to the mother, are you considered the legal father of children born during the marriage to the mother.

 

[Jax49]

Thank goodness I'm not the only one who feels this way! I think it's disgusting!

What way is that? I'm totally lost...

 

[mamamumbles]

Does anyone know if pike county sheriff's office has an email tip line or do you have to call? Not that I have a tip, just wondering. I think this case needs to be shared more on social media with a tip email address. People don't like to make phone calls anymore, but it's easy to email a tip.

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[glf]

I looked on the PCSD website and didn't find an email address, but did find a fax # 740-947-1049. Maybe that will be of some help.

 

[rsd1200]

Does anyone know if pike county sheriff's office has an email tip line or do you have to call? Not that I have a tip, just wondering. I think this case needs to be shared more on social media with a tip email address. People don't like to make phone calls anymore, but it's easy to email a tip.

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I read that with the tip lines, and the reward money, that once you call, you are given a number, and your phone number is instantly erased from the system. If the assailant(s) are caught, and prosecuted, you can present you tip-line # and receive the reward. I don't think a lot of people understand how that works. I didn't until this case. The telephone tip-line would probably be safer than email. At least from my perspective, and I'd still be wary of the telephone line. That's just me though, and having a family I'd be worried about.

 

[mamamumbles]

I read that with the tip lines, and the reward money, that once you call, you are given a number, and your phone number is instantly erased from the system. If the assailant(s) are caught, and prosecuted, you can present you tip-line # and receive the reward. I don't think a lot of people understand how that works. I didn't until this case. The telephone tip-line would probably be safer than email. At least from my perspective, and I'd still be wary of the telephone line. That's just me though, and having a family I'd be worried about.

I agree. This one is too dangerous for tips I think. I wouldn't, not by phone or any way to be traced anyway. No way!

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[evelezrn]

I see so many more guests here than members. We invite y'all to join websleuths and welcome your thoughts.

 

[jk204]

There is a lot of good info here. I've not had a chance to read through it all but it seems to lay out the TOD procedure very well. I'd say it's pretty close to the same for U.S.
http://www.exploreforensics.co.uk/estimating-the-time-of-death.html

Thanks!

 

[glf]

The only time I really think you are protected from someone getting your number easily is to have it unlisted. My ex got arrested back in the early 90's, and he was halfway across the state. The police wanted to talk to me, (they impounded my car) and an operator calls me at about 3:00a, to give me their number because I had an unlisted number. I later found out the only way my number could even be given to the police is if it were a matter of life and death.
I also agree somewhat about a tip line. I do know for a fact you're given a number and you use that number each time you talk to LE, as opposed to your name. My home town is fairly small pol about 7800, and the police have a tip line set up. You can read in the classifieds on Thursdays if you an informant and LE needs to talk to you. It will say something like #8542, please call... Hope this helps.