OH - Pike County: 8 people from one family dead as police hunt for killer(s) #19

[Turnup44]

This mass murder happened just after HR gave birth. I doubt that is pure coincidence. As I said before, imo, HR was the probably primary target and the baby the subject of the drama.

Typical profile of mass murderer is lone, male, loves gun, angered. Most often young, below 30 and even closer to 18. This one is single given night crimes. So HR would be likely be target.

Last time I mention this, The OG asked why KR was killed in this scenario? Good question. One possibility is that the perp knew he would find a loaded gun at KR and went there first. The killer did want to use his own gun for the crime.

Ok then what gun was used to kill Kenneth? <mod snip> And you really thinks HR was the target? I will say that the killers waited until after she had the baby to make their move, but I don't believe she was the primary target

 

[jk204]

Ok then what gun was used to kill Kenneth? <mod snip> And you really thinks HR was the target? I will say that the killers waited until after she had the baby to make their move, but I don't believe she was the primary target

The killer needed an untraceable weapon. He knew he would find a weapon at KR. He went there to steal it. But KR woke up, he is light sleeper. So he had no choice but to kill him with his own gun. He would have become a witness.

This also why KR took only one bullet. KR was collateral damage and not at the centre of the killer's rage

 

[jk204]

Ok then what gun was used to kill Kenneth? <mod snip> And you really thinks HR was the target? I will say that the killers waited until after she had the baby to make their move, but I don't believe she was the primary target

And if this is some kind of drug related business killing, killing HR pregnant or after makes no difference. I would even argue that a careful killer would know the mother of a 5 day child does not sleep well. The killer would rather go there before birth.

 

[grow73]

If you look at each victim as the main target, you'll find a lot of possible scenarios and motives. I guess that's part of what makes this case so intriguing. If we play with the HR idea, we'll find f.ex a bf with a father who is an expert on crime scenes. We'll find a baby daddy who might be the father of both, and we find an ex bf who's sure the second child is his. A lot of emotions flying around, I'd guess.
And we need to keep in mind that we only know so much. Even though you feel someone's exposing their whole life in social media, there will always be more to their story.

 

[grow73]

The killer needed an untraceable weapon. He knew he would find a weapon at KR. He went there to steal it. But KR woke up, he is light sleeper. So he had no choice but to kill him with his own gun. He would have become a witness.

This also why KR took only one bullet. KR was collateral damage and not at the centre of the killer's rage

Regarding the info from the last article by C.Graves/Enquirer: As a reporter you can't go ahead and write everything you know, you need verified sources and documentation, and you/your editor might even get instructions from LE which you'll have to follow. But you will try to put as much info in your article as possible, and that's why I (wishfully) think that the part about KR's gun and gsw is essential. Imo this is one of the guns used. And that excludes someone from the "outside".

 

[mamamumbles]

I can't help but feel KR and CR were main targets. KR's murder is like "an eye for an eye" and if there was cash at his feet that would be significant. He was out of the way so killed very purposefully.
CR's whole family was taken out, even those in other houses including teens and women, very purposeful and he is the common denominator of those homes.


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[glf]

Wow! Everybody started posting like crazy while I was sleeping. OK, here goes... I don't believe Hanna was a main target. Had the dad of her oldest daughter or Hannah's brother been responsible for these murders, they would have taken the baby.
2) I am definitely NOT in the BJ or Kenny did it camp. I haven't read anything that makes me feel either are responsible, and I have not read anything that makes me think they were even involved.
3) Kendra wants to know the whereabouts of Kenny's gun. We don't know if she thinks it is gone and that's why he was killed, or if he didn't have a chance to get to it before he was shot. Unless she talked to LE and they told her it was gone, nobody knows for sure. And if LE gave her an answer, it was probably elusive, saying they didn't see it or they hadn't seen it. Remember, nobody has been in those homes since LE arrived on the scene.
4)We don't know for certain if the men were in to fighting the roosters or if
they just raised them. The answer to that question may or may not be important to this case.
5)We know BJ and her dad are not speaking with the press any longer, could be they just don't want to. We also know the only person who has spoken to the press is Hannah's brother Charlie, one time, and we do know he has filed a petition to have DNA testing done, and for custody of K.
6)We still don't know diddly as to who is responsible, but I still feel like the killers were from out of town. I don't think the killers could mingle with the residents of Pike county and not trip up and say or do something and give themselves up. I feel like if that were to happen, that first person arrested would sing like a bird!

 

[rsd1200]

This mass murder happened just after HR gave birth. I doubt that is pure coincidence. As I said before, imo, HR was the probably primary target and the baby the subject of the drama.

Typical profile of mass murderer is lone, male, loves gun, angered. Most often young, below 30 and even closer to 18. This one is single given night crimes. So HR would be likely be target.

Last time I mention this, The OG asked why KR was killed in this scenario? Good question. One possibility is that the perp knew he would find a loaded gun at KR and went there first. The killer did want to use his own gun for the crime.

Her instagram is marked private now, but, she delivered before her due date. At least 7-10 days early. If they'd been waiting on the baby to be delivered then why not stay with the same dates, why change up the dates b/c she delivered early, and risk something going wrong. I don't think they cared one way or another about the baby being delivered and may not have even anticipated her being there. They set a date, and went for it. Some people were there they may not have expected, and they killed them. For all we know she could have been staying with the father of the child at times, and they didn't even think she'd be there. Not unheard of in these situations. It's quite possible they killed more than was planned out of necessity. I don't really think so, but it could be.

 

[rsd1200]

The killer needed an untraceable weapon. He knew he would find a weapon at KR. He went there to steal it. But KR woke up, he is light sleeper. So he had no choice but to kill him with his own gun. He would have become a witness.

This also why KR took only one bullet. KR was collateral damage and not at the centre of the killer's rage

I just can't see that. They'd have to quietly break into the camper, figure out where the gun is, then find enough ammo, in the dark, to fit that specific gun to go around to all of the other homes and shoot all of the other eight people, all while hopefully, not waking KR up. If he did wake up, seeing as how he was a light sleeper, it would most likely be when someone was fiddling around with his door and his dog was barking, and he'd grab his gun that he kept nearby, and be on the ready. Unlike CR1's place who had boo koos of dogs that most likely barked incessantly, and became "white noise", KR had one dog. I'd say if/when he barked he knew something was outside that trailer. Same with my Rottie. It may only be a deer in the back lot, but there's something there. We pet sat a dog this week, quietest little guy ever. However, a door bell could ring on the t.v. and he'd go off like a siren and it isn't even his house!

 

[glf]

I'm with you, rsd1200. They would have had to kill Kenny first before stealing his gun and ammo. If the killers needed a throw away gun, and knew about Kenny's, why not break in and take it while he was at work? Putting a padlock on a door only keeps the honest people out.

 

[sumzero]

Wow! Everybody started posting like crazy while I was sleeping. OK, here goes... I don't believe Hanna was a main target. Had the dad of her oldest daughter or Hannah's brother been responsible for these murders, they would have taken the baby.
2) I am definitely NOT in the BJ or Kenny did it camp. I haven't read anything that makes me feel either are responsible, and I have not read anything that makes me think they were even involved.
3) Kendra wants to know the whereabouts of Kenny's gun. We don't know if she thinks it is gone and that's why he was killed, or if he didn't have a chance to get to it before he was shot. Unless she talked to LE and they told her it was gone, nobody knows for sure. And if LE gave her an answer, it was probably elusive, saying they didn't see it or they hadn't seen it. Remember, nobody has been in those homes since LE arrived on the scene.
4)We don't know for certain if the men were in to fighting the roosters or if
they just raised them. The answer to that question may or may not be important to this case.
5)We know BJ and her dad are not speaking with the press any longer, could be they just don't want to. We also know the only person who has spoken to the press is Hannah's brother Charlie, one time, and we do know he has filed a petition to have DNA testing done, and for custody of K.
6)We still don't know diddly as to who is responsible, but I still feel like the killers were from out of town. I don't think the killers could mingle with the residents of Pike county and not trip up and say or do something and give themselves up. I feel like if that were to happen, that first person arrested would sing like a bird!

I agree with much of what you wrote. Since we don't know much (and not as much as LE), I'm reluctant to engage in too much speculation. I'm even more reluctant to build elaborate theories based on multiple unproven assumptions. But that's just me. As for point #6, I'm inclined toward this theory in part because I think at least 2 (if not more) people were needed to commit these crimes. I wouldn't be surprised if two separate "teams" went to the two homes located on the same property. Otherwise, there was a risk that the gunshots at one location would wake the residents at another location (who would then arm themselves and/or call 911). I could be wrong, of course. I'm also inclined to think outsiders were involved. All along, LE has emphasized that the killers went to great lengths to cover their tracks. If they were family members, they wouldn't need to worry about leaving traces of themselves at these locations, would they? Also, based on what we know about the family, I don't see them as being that "professional", while suddenly turning into cold-blooded killers. Other than that, I don't feel too safe in speculating about the identity of the killers. Regional cartel-like figures? Possibly. But who knows?

 

[RichP]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Some of you are saying the "killer" took the chance and broke into an occupied dwelling [KR's] just to get a gun untraceable to him?

When he could go to a zillion bars/street corners in Cincy, Columbus or Cleveland and get one no questions asked or just break into a local residence
of someone who he knows has firearms when they're not home?

The idea that some young punk targeted HR and also killed seven other members of her family is ludicrous. If LE thought that this happened they
would have cracked him like an egg long ago. [/FONT]

 

[glf]

Rich, your post makes alot if sense. I don't think Kenny's gun was taken. Like I said before, if somebody wanted his gun, they would have broken in and took it. Also, I have doubts that either of the "father's" of the baby would have known where Kenny would have his gun. I feel safe in saying that subject probably never come up if and when he visited with either of them!

 

[jk204]

A few comments:

1) KR2 says her father's loaded gun is missing. I take it as a fact. I am pretty sure LE is trying to locate it.

2) Young punk: most mass murders in advanced economies are committed by young punks. I bet LE has young punks in the radar.

3) getting a gun in any bar in town: if you intent to commit a carnage, that is definitely not the safest route. You don't know the history of the gun and leave many witnesses. The 10k reward would get you.

4) The father not knowing about the gun at KR: who is the father? Are we talking about the father or the upset guy who wished he was? And as for knowing, it just depend who we are talking about. It is a very small world.

5) stealing from unoccupied property: if the perp has never broken into a home, it could be that he felt it was simpler at KR since he had easy access there. The young punk is a killer, not a burglar. Personally I would not know how to break safely into a home, but I never planned murder either.

 

[CSIDreamer]

If KR's gun is really missing, it makes me think he was possibly killed first. And all the others would have known who killed him and were silenced to cover up the identity of the shooter.

Only way I know how to break into a house is to crawl in through the doggie door. Simply because I've locked myself out a few times and know I can fit through it, LOL.

 

[glf]

JK204, when I spoke of the "father's" I was referring to the two young men who could be the father of Hanna's newborn. I doubt either of them had ever been in Kenny's home, or that Kenny would be discussing his gun and where he kept it. Not very likely something like that would come up in casual conversation, if Kenny had ever had a conversation with either of these young men. Kenny's dad died in 2008.

 

[Elley Mae]

A few comments:

1) KR2 says her father's loaded gun is missing. I take it as a fact. I am pretty sure LE is trying to locate it.

2) Young punk: most mass murders in advanced economies are committed by young punks. I bet LE has young punks in the radar.

3) getting a gun in any bar in town: if you intent to commit a carnage, that is definitely not the safest route. You don't know the history of the gun and leave many witnesses. The 10k reward would get you.

4) The father not knowing about the gun at KR: who is the father? Are we talking about the father or the upset guy who wished he was? And as for knowing, it just depend who we are talking about. It is a very small world.

5) stealing from unoccupied property: if the perp has never broken into a home, it could be that he felt it was simpler at KR since he had easy access there. The young punk is a killer, not a burglar. Personally I would not know how to break safely into a home, but I never planned murder either.

I found it.

Kendra Rhoden wonders if the loaded gun her dad kept near his head while he slept was also taken. She also doesn&#8217;t understand why her light-sleeping father wasn&#8217;t startled awake before he was shot once in the right eye. To her, that indicates he must have known or trusted his killer.

http://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/2016/07/22/pike-county-family-clings-hope/87337798/

bbm I wonder if it is in LE custody. JMO Because she wonders doesn't make it fact. jmo idk I now wonder if I should believe the shot in the eye. Is that a fact? jmo idk

 

[glf]

That's exactly WHY I said earlier we didn't know whether or not Kenny's gun was missing! As far as Kenny being shot in the eye-I would think that would be fact, now that the funerals are all over. If that wasn't true, a family member probably would have corrected that statement by now. We have been lead to believe the viewing and funerals were open casket by the article published in the paper when the funeral director was interviewed. If the eye area was too badly damaged, I'm sure the mortician could have applied an eye patch if the family wanted open casket viewing.

 

[Elley Mae]

He said: 'Kenneth would normally padlock the camper where he lived from the outside when he left.

'I was supposed to meet him the night before and go to work on some cars with him in the morning.

'When I didn't hear from him I went to the camper and it was unlocked and his truck was outside and I felt there must have been something wrong.

'It was the afternoon and he would normally be out working on cars at 5.30 am.'

Fighting back tears, he said: 'There was blood everywhere man. It was something no human should see.

'A man who was good a man lying there like that, shot dead by cowards. It makes me feel ill when I think about what I saw.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-feet-shot-head-reveals-man-horror-scene.html

&#8220;I think my brother-in-law is dead. There&#8217;s blood all over the house,&#8221; she said. At times during the short call, she spoke softly and at times she nearly screamed. &#8220;It looks like someone beat the hell out of them.&#8221;

&#8220;Them,&#8221; authorities would soon discover, were Christopher Rhoden Sr., 40, who lived in the trailer at 4077 Union Hill Road, and his cousin, 38-year-old Gary Rhoden, who had been staying there.

Bobby Jo told the dispatcher there was blood in the living room, and that the bodies had been dragged back to a bedroom. She volunteered that the door had been locked when she arrived.

http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/local/2016/05/29/pike-county-lookback.html#


She found the key and opened the door.

She saw a &#8220;bunch of blood in the front room,&#8217;&#8217; and what looked like drag marks in blood from there to a back bedroom.

&#8220;I yelled Rhoden! Rhoden! Rhoden!&#8217;&#8217; she recalled, and ran to Chris Rhoden's bedroom.

That's where she saw Gary Rhoden, 38, lying on his back. Dead. Just up from his body, she saw a bloodied Chris Rhoden, also on his back. He was dead, as well.

Chris and Gary Rhoden were cousins.

She said she did not see any guns or shell casings in the trailer, but did notice a window in a bedroom was wide open.

http://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/2016/05/11/pike-county-not-leaving-those-babies-there/84194756/

That&#8217;s when she discovered her nephew and his fiancee dead in bed. She said Frankie Rhoden, who was lying on his back, had a black left eye, but she couldn&#8217;t tell where they had been shot: "There was just all that blood in the middle of the bed."

She said she did not see any guns or shell casings in that trailer, either, but did see a window in that bedroom was wide open, she said.


Is there a link to CR having been shot in the eye? or KR being shot in the eye?

 

[Elley Mae]

I have wonder if KR was shot through the window in the camper, would explain why brownie didn't/couldn't attack.