OH - Pike County: 8 people from one family dead as police hunt for killer(s) #19

[amauet1]

Hopefully this link helps. Dana had a basement under her home. http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/local/2016/05/12/Piketon-murder-homes-moved.html
Dana Rhoden’s home has a basement and a built-on deck so it will take longer to move,

Many, Many thanx!

 

[amauet1]

Right here! Doing some checking on Lori's case in Kan, and Sgt Craig H in Tex. The guy who killed his wife in NC had a stand-in with police in Phoenix and shot and killed himself.
Not much I can say about growing pot or tobacco! Except don't mess with my smokes, (or my coffee)! Everybody would be running for the hills to get away from me. About all I have any luck growing is Ivy and Mother-in-law tongue. If it grows outside, I would probably kill it. I definitely did not get a green thumb from Daddy or Grandma.
I need to go back and refresh my memory on the basement (S) at Dana's. That's been too many threads ago for my brain. Let you know after I do some checking..

Mine is diet coke and smokes! lol never could get into coffee although my mom, aunts, and grandparents could drink gallons! Ohreally already found that info. But thank you anyway! Did you get my pm? or did I send it wrong? I did send it wrong so disregard.

 

[rsd1200]

Well while we wait for info, I have some questions and would like some opinions. Why were CR1 and GR "dragged" to the back bedroom? In all the other locations, according to LE; everyone else was found in their beds?
Doors were locked at CR1's and FR's. Was the door locked at DR's? Also window's were left open at CR1's and FR's. Were they open at DR's and KR's?

Chris Jr's car was at CR1's up on jacks?

The reason I ask is, it seems by the first 2 questions that all the "action" took place at CR1's.That means that whatever the reason for these murders, they needed something from him. IMO that means he was "the first target". But why? Did he have the info they wanted? Was he the biggest threat? By the small amount of info we have, soft tissue damage or bruising (belly, face,chest), that sounds like he was hit or "beat up". And 9 gun shots (used to inflict pain) they wanted to know something. I doubt it was for some kind of confession.

I think they unexpectedly came in on either GR or CR1 in the den area. They could have actually slipped in, and shot one of them in the back bedroom, as he was awakened and coming out of the bedroom. So, they left him there, and then met up w/the other coming into the trailer, unexpected, and just shot him then and there, til they were sure he was deceased. Drug him to the back just in case someone came by, so they'd not see his body outline through the door window, and locked the door to ensure no one came through it again. Picked up the cctv stuff and anything else they came to take and went out through the back door. The dogs could have even followed them out the back door. With FR, they may have entered and left through the back door. I just think things didn't go according to plan at CR1's trailer and they improvised.

 

[amauet1]

I think they unexpectedly came in on either GR or CR1 in the den area. They could have actually slipped in, and shot one of them in the back bedroom, as he was awakened and coming out of the bedroom. So, they left him there, and then met up w/the other coming into the trailer, unexpected, and just shot him then and there, til they were sure he was deceased. Drug him to the back just in case someone came by, so they'd not see his body outline through the door window, and locked the door to ensure no one came through it again. Picked up the cctv stuff and anything else they came to take and went out through the back door. The dogs could have even followed them out the back door. With FR, they may have entered and left through the back door. I just think things didn't go according to plan at CR1's trailer and they improvised.

Yeah, but CR1 was shot nine times and according to BJM or GR's father GR's leg overlapped CR1's, and the bruising?

 

[amauet1]

I also found an article about Sheriff Reader in the Columbus Dispatch, dated May 6,2016. It's all about him, his family, etc. Quote:" before being appointed to Sheriff of Pike Co. He'd been a dispatcher, a detective, a road deputy, an assistant chief deputy and Waverly police officer. He ran for Sheriff unsuccessfully in 2008. He left office and was an investigator for the Pike County prosecutor until the Democratic Party appointed him sheriff just 11 months ago."()) He became sheriff on May 22, 2015. )

Now here's another question. In one or maybe the first interview with Dewine included, Reader said: " he had never been involved with the Rhoden family in a criminal nature and I've been in law enforcement for 20 years." Quoted from CNN transcripts . www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1604/24/cnr.04.html.

Ron Junk has been pike county auditor since 1996. If Reader worked for him, IMO he knew of the Rhodens. In what way , I don't know. But this seems interesting to me. What do you think?(

 

[rsd1200]

Sometimes you crack me up glf!

I also have been thinking again (watch out) lol.
Did anyone else think that there might of been "inside grow ops" in an extra bedroom in CR1's and FR's trailers? If so, maybe they were getting ready to switch the "grow ops" to the basement under DR's garage. You know like the one they just found in Adams Co. We don't know if they found seedlings, half grown plants, or fully grown plants. Since it was spring time, IMO they had seedlings growing for planting in the fields when it became warm enough. That makes since to me since KR's daughter KR said her father had been doing that for years. Maybe other people didn't want them to "branch out". I am not a farmer and have only "smoked" pot a very long time ago, so I know nothing about how it grows, what's the best etc. But I live around tobacco growers and that's the way they plant the tobacco. I noticed they had those aluminum hot house frames in their yard at FR's. You wrap them with plastic and the tobacco seedlings are started in trays. When they reach enough height and weather is right, they plant them. Couldn't you use a tobacco setter on the back of a tractor to plant fields of pot, just like tobacco?

I think so too. I thought that at least one bedroom was probably used at CR1's and probably one at FR's (possibly the reason for the sleeping arrangements at the time), and they found the tray at KR's. I really think the were in a stage to start moving things outdoors, probably the second week of May. In that area the average last frost date is between May 1 - May 10. Two hundred plants, indoors, while not a huge number of plants, is very labor intensive. It still needs to be tended outdoors, but once you move it outside, it's not as difficult. I'd guess they were getting ready to transplant them soon. I don't think planting marijuana with a tobacco setter is really doable b/c if the difference in the plants. Possibly could w/a hand setter, but, I'd not be too sure on that.

 

[rsd1200]

Yeah, but CR1 was shot nine times and according to BJM or GR's father GR's leg overlapped CR1's, and the bruising?

CR1 could have come into the room and surprised them. I think the reason she thought they were beaten is b/c she didn't realize they'd been shot. The bullet wounds that go in, are not that large, so she probably did not see those at the time. Just lots of blood, rigor setting in, discoloration, and, there are conflicting statements on how the bodies were found. Then again, maybe... they were only supposed to be badly beaten, and things went really wrong, and that threw the rest of the night into motion.

 

[amauet1]

CR1 could have come into the room and surprised them. I think the reason she thought they were beaten is b/c she didn't realize they'd been shot. The bullet wounds that go in, are not that large, so she probably did not see those at the time. Just lots of blood, rigor setting in, discoloration, and, there are conflicting statements on how the bodies were found. Then again, maybe... they were only supposed to be badly beaten, and things went really wrong, and that threw the rest of the night into motion.

That's what I think to, all things did not go as planned. It might have been "well planned" as LE said (they remind me of lawyers, give ya just enough info to shut you up for awhile) but things got out of hand. I think that because of what I've read and heard about CR1. Him and Dana may have had their problems, but it seemed he loved his family and tried to take care of everyone. He was somebody that the family depended on for whatever. And to me, he would have put up one hell of fight as soon as he realized there was danger. Being a mother and protective of my children, just like most mothers are, I can only imagine the horror of not being able to stop the destruction of my loved ones. It gives me nightmares!

 

[Dudly]

I could be wrong, but I thought I read there was the partial basement under her house and the red garage, not the pole barn.

The red building is a pole barn. The basement under her house is mentioned here: http://www.dispatch.com/content/stor...mes-moved.html

 

[glf]

I think he was being honest. Even if he did work under RJ, if any of the Rhodens got traffic tickets, they probably just paid the fine and didn't go to city court. The only thing we know about criminally was Jr. and the lady who slapped him. And that was after Reader became sheriff. Plus, there are so many Rhodens, and more than a few share first names nobody could keep them straight unless they were personal friends with all of them!

 

[amauet1]

I think he was being honest. Even if he did work under RJ, if any of the Rhodens got traffic tickets, they probably just paid the fine and didn't go to city court. The only thing we know about criminally was Jr. and the lady who slapped him. And that was after Reader became sheriff. Plus, there are so many Rhodens, and more than a few share first names nobody could keep them straight unless they were personal friends with all of them!

OK glf, but you are more trusting with the "powers that be" me, no. Been screwed to many times when it comes to the higher ups. I have been skeptical ever since this started. For me, it's like daggling a bone in front of a dog. You don't want me to know, well I'll find out! Ya know what I mean? The funny part is so far, this little doggie is starving! lol So they got me so far, but I'm stubborn and still going after that bone!

 

[rsd1200]

Yeah, but CR1 was shot nine times and according to BJM or GR's father GR's leg overlapped CR1's, and the bruising?

Well, it's a lot different trying to shoot someone in the dark, when you've broken in to shoot them in the head in their sleep. He could have tried to run back to the bedroom for his own firearm, or grab one nearby, or run at the shooter. One bullet in a dark trailer is not gonna do it on a moving target. As far as the bruising, this was the official statement on bruising; "In addition, the release stated that some of the victims also “showed signs of soft tissue bruising.”" That just does not read to me like someone who has been beaten to death. I would expect to see words like, contusions, blunt force trauma, abrasions, etc. . . Soft tissue bruising, to me, is more like there may have been a scuffle for the gun and the shooter ended up shooting him nine times. I think it was just a botched job at that trailer, and the assailant(s) cleared it up as best they could, and moved on.
http://www.logandaily.com/news/prel...cle_ce242d8a-1725-53db-a174-047b6b711fa4.html

 

[Ray Pate]

It is not in my nature to talk with shades of questionable language, but the subject of the dogs at the crime locations
has generated a mild response to the question ,how the killer overcame the problem that the loose barking k-9's
presented..Very simple..Since the killer planned this execution carefully,,he knew where the loose, vicious, dogs
were kept..He needed a distraction for the vicious animals and he found it very simply..at the pike county humane
society..All he had to do was to check the pound on April 21st. and go to the section where female dogs in season
are housed and adopt one. He knew that the dogs that were on tethers barked constantly and posed no problem.
When he drove down to the isolated area where the vicious dogs were loose and could be a problem, the vicious dog
would meet him out on the highway where he had the female dog and bingo,, the vicious dog became distracted. If
L.E. would check records from Pike County "PET PAL"dog pound,,it might be worth their time.jmo

 

[jk204]

The only arrest made public so far was for Rusty Mongold and that was on a suspicion of a personal motive.

The family also says that perps knew dogs, about camera, were trusted by KR. I think we should listen more to what they are saying

 

[GTAWmom]

It is not in my nature to talk with shades of questionable language, but the subject of the dogs at the crime locations
has generated a mild response to the question ,how the killer overcame the problem that the loose barking k-9's
presented..Very simple..Since the killer planned this execution carefully,,he knew where the loose, vicious, dogs
were kept..He needed a distraction for the vicious animals and he found it very simply..at the pike county humane
society..All he had to do was to check the pound on April 21st. and go to the section where female dogs in season
are housed and adopt one. He knew that the dogs that were on tethers barked constantly and posed no problem.
When he drove down to the isolated area where the vicious dogs were loose and could be a problem, the vicious dog
would meet him out on the highway where he had the female dog and bingo,, the vicious dog became distracted. If
L.E. would check records from Pike County "PET PAL"dog pound,,it might be worth their time.jmo

There are far easier ways to deal with aggressive dogs, or even just loud barky dogs. Some things that come to mind are: Are we sure they were male? And the female would have to be in heat. But as I said far easier ways to deal with dogs is simply meat. Lots of it. Especially if the dogs were familiar with the intruder (which is what most people seem to think anyway). It could have just been he knocked on the door GR let's him in, dogs run out, shoots GR how ever many times in the living room, then on to the next shoots CR1 9 times probably because he was woken by shots or dogs barking or both. Then moved bodies to the back room. So many different spins one can come up with with out knowing or observing the crime scene but I don't believe the dogs were that much of problem. For whatever reason. I wonder why the dogs weren't tested for tranquilizers of some kind...

1st post on here and first case. I'm riveted. Geekendorx channel from YouTube brought me to check out Websleuths. He has a great show called brainscratch. I suggested this case to him for a show. Anything to bring more attention to this the better. My heart aches for this family. Those lost and those who remain. Hell, the whole town.

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[jk204]

Many members are looking at crime gang / cartel as perpetrators. What in your opinion is the most probable motive?

1) Competition?

IMO, their business was local. Is the local weed business controlled by a crime gang? I would rather be looking at local competitors

2) retaliation for a broken promise / unpaid debt?

There was a good discussion on this forum on the wealth of the family and its lifestyle. We haven't found a lot of money. Also, the market value of the drug left on site is significant.

3) for talking?

It seems to me like a grow local, sell local kind of business. If they were involved in a cocaine network, I could believe it.

what is the history of multiple shootings related to the marijuana business in the US?

 

[Ray Pate]

I am sure I would not get my logical explanation correct about the dogs..Of course ,,there are many ways to explain the
habits of dogs. I never even considered that you did not know that I was trying to avoid describing that the vicious dog
must have been a male and the femal had to have been in heat..I know you can control any dog with food,, if that dog is
Interested in eating,,but he might be more interested in eating you..With all of that useless dialog, this case is not about
Dogs, ,weed, or race cars,it is about unbridled , uncontrolled, mayhem.nuff said

 

[GTAWmom]

I am sure I would not get my logical explanation correct about the dogs..Of course ,,there are many ways to explain the
habits of dogs. I never even considered that you did not know that I was trying to avoid describing that the vicious dog
must have been a male and the femal had to have been in heat..I know you can control any dog with food,, if that dog is
Interested in eating,,but he might be more interested in eating you..With all of that useless dialog, this case is not about
Dogs, ,weed, or race cars,it is about unbridled , uncontrolled, mayhem.nuff said

I didn't mean to offend. My point was that I feel the dogs were not much of an issue. It's pretty evident that the family knew their murderer or murderers well.

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[CSIDreamer]

I am sure I would not get my logical explanation correct about the dogs..Of course ,,there are many ways to explain the
habits of dogs. I never even considered that you did not know that I was trying to avoid describing that the vicious dog
must have been a male and the femal had to have been in heat..I know you can control any dog with food,, if that dog is
Interested in eating,,but he might be more interested in eating you..With all of that useless dialog, this case is not about
Dogs, ,weed, or race cars,it is about unbridled , uncontrolled, mayhem.nuff said

In all due respect, 19 threads of discussion from people that have been following this case from day one is not considered "useless dialogue" by anyone that has been interested. And I find it offensive you want to just discredit anyone that doesn't share the same opinion.

 

[CSIDreamer]

Many members are looking at crime gang / cartel as perpetrators. What in your opinion is the most probable motive?

1) Competition?

IMO, their business was local. Is the local weed business controlled by a crime gang? I would rather be looking at local competitors

2) retaliation for a broken promise / unpaid debt?

There was a good discussion on this forum on the wealth of the family and its lifestyle. We haven't found a lot of money. Also, the market value of the drug left on site is significant.

3) for talking?

It seems to me like a grow local, sell local kind of business. If they were involved in a cocaine network, I could believe it.

what is the history of multiple shootings related to the marijuana business in the US?

I'm slowly starting to come around and really consider the gang/cartel theories. Maybe they stepped on someone's toes. We've talked on several threads about that pipeline from Kentucky through Ohio. I'm guessing if you step on the wrong someone's toes, it could be a bad thing. As far as the history of mulitple shootings related to the marijuana business, I'm not up on that.

What I mean by stepping on someone's toes may be any one of the circumstances you posted. It may be as little as someone got cocky with the wrong person. I originally thought "absolutely not" to the gang/cartel theory. Now, I'm not so set against it.