OH - Pike County: 8 people from one family dead as police hunt for killer(s) #19

[glf]

I tried to find the post where somebody asked if a special tip line had been set up for this case, and can't find it. I don't think a special number has been set up, people were asked to call PCSO or BCI toll free number, and now have the option of calling Southern Ohio Crime Stoppers.

 

[Dr. Know?]

1-855-BCI-OHIO (224-6446)

http://www.wsaz.com/content/news/Investigators-Several-dead-at-Pike-County-Ohio-home-376728131.html

It's been a while. No tweets that I've seen and I do understand this county being overwhelmed. I don't want this to be a forever case as everyone else doesn't either. dang...

 

[hec60504]

LE do have specific types of service weapons, but depending on policy, you may be able to carry a back-up gun or two of your own choosing. I was issued and carried a 92F, 9mm, with an extra capacity clip (21 rounds) and a stronger (aftermarket) clip spring to ensure it fed the shells to the gun correctly and quickly. My back up guns were a S&W .38 hammerless revolver in my waistband, and a Taurus .380 that I carried on my left hip. My 9mm was inspected regularly, but the other guns were not.

 

[Betty P]

moo think CYA and your on your way!!

Its been way to long at this point for that to be the only logical explaination for all this secrecy, moving crime scene homes at taxpayer expense (totally obserd!) and breaking laws regarding release of public information!!

An awesome review of the laws they are breaking (!) by not releasing anything this far out There are all sorts of referances, in link below, to all the MSM requests that they comply with laws regarding release .

http://umbrellaofsuspicion.com/2016/07/rhoden-autopsy-reports-a-public-records-quagmire/

Their first round of BS was we cant release anything cause of an "active" investigation. They have changed this to....two offices cited security concerns as the reason for their refusal to disclose the autopsy records of the Rhoden family, the Dispatch reported Tuesday.

Wouldn't one have more security concerns the month after - as opposed to half a year?

We have a witness protection program - if "security" is ones concern........

I would also think , as a result of the economic climate in that area, folks would be more than willing to enter such a program- financial burdens would vanish.

our ability to judge the credibility of information coming in

anyone know if they ever set up an annoymous crime line - last I heard no - so exactly what is all this information that is flooding in, this week!! It was silent since it happened, and he wants us to beleive they are still being flooded with info. Makes no sense, imo, at all.

Look at all the nuance we get after far more complicated cases than this

In a tiny community where everyone knows everyone elses stuff. Noone can engage in illigal activities in isolation - you would have noone buying drugs, watching your fights, coming in for car repairs etc etc.

Its a financially struggling area, dealing is a source of income - imo lots of people in the area know exactly what happened, and the folks who did it, and why they did it , while also knowing they had better not say a thing to anyone - or their family could be next, moo

Just ask yourself, what entity could keep an entire community silent for half a year??

Its a mass murder - why have federal folks NEVER been involved. Apparently, they have to be asked to do so. So it would be a logical conclusion that they never asked. Its identical to refusing to ask for a second opinion after a cancer diagnosis. All behavior has meaning IMO.

They never asked for the best in the business after calling in 824 members of LE - again totally incongruent.

What motivation does anyone have for keeping everything in "house".

http://www.wcpo.com/news/crime/authorities-refuse-to-release-rhoden-familys-autopsies

You're right. It's long past time for federal agents, FBI, DEA, etc. to take a lead in this investigation. BCI and DeWine are in above their heads and are not offering the community the protection it needs.

ETA: Recall how they "forgot" to let the public know they were offering a reward for information leading to the killer(s)? Very strange.

 

[Dr. Know?]

You're right. It's long past time for federal agents, FBI, DEA, etc. to take a lead in this investigation. BCI and DeWine are in above their heads and are not offering the community the protection it needs.

ETA: Recall how they "forgot" to let the public know they were offering a reward for information leading to the killer(s)? Very strange.

I have thought about that forgetting episode with the reward. Too odd. I wonder who brought up that fact or asked about it? Agree, very strange. It's not like oops, I forgot a V-8...It's pretty important. jmo

 

[Betty P]

I have thought about that forgetting episode. Too odd. Wonder who brought up that fact or asked about it? Agree, very strange. It's not like oops, I forgot a V-8...It's pretty important. jmo

Columbus Dispatch asked about it

http://www.dispatch.com/content/sto...offer-for-tips-on-8-pike-county-killings.html


BTW, has this article been posted about the federal lawsuit against JJ and Pike County SO? It was just updated 4 hrs ago

http://www.chillicothegazette.com/story/news/local/2016/08/01/jenkins-pike-co-sheriffs-office-federal-lawsuit/87914962/

A federal lawsuit was filed by Columbus attorney David L. Shroyer on behalf of Robert Rooker's family on July 12. The filing in the U.S. District Court for the Southern District of Ohio is based on a violation of civil rights, according to court records. The case lists Jenkins, the Pike County Sheriff's Office, Maj. Timothy Dickerson and 10 "John Does" as defendants.

The unknown people could not be immediately identified by the plaintiffs in the case but are employed by the Sheriff's Office, according to court documents.

 

[Dr. Know?]

I think of it as more of a strategy than the law is all bad. Only until proven otherwise. I think it's smoke from the Jenkin's case. How do you kill your neighbor & another person, in a whoops moment? Accident prone probably won't work with murder or manslaughter. jmo

 

[glf]

A few days ago, I posted about AG Mike interpreting the law the way he wanted to as to releasing info on this case. I said that because I knew I had read about public and private info, but couldn't remember where. It is in the "umbrella of suspicion" mentioned in post #667 above. He still makes me feel he expects us to believe that if he doesn't "feel" like something is public info, then it doesn't have to be released. And that is BS in my book.

 

[Everyday Grace]

Thanks for reminding me. I think I posted it. Too many angles and time to sort out. Like weeds. M. Rhoden was arrested in that article. Great reminder.

Reminds me to follow-up on something in Adams County. Gonna have to dig out some notes, though.

I followed a track from that list to Springboro that put me in Peebles in Adams County. Recent (2016) history of narcotics. Past history of violent crime.

Weirdest thing was that from Springboro, I also got to here:
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...own-13-September-2015&highlight=Lindsay+Bogan

Ah, the small world of narcotics.

MR remains interesting.

 

[jk204]

A long many threads and posts ago, someone brought forth this article.

http://portsmouth-dailytimes.com/news/1014/13-indicted-in-greenup-circuit-courts

I still find this article very interesting. GR was from Greenup but had been staying with CR1. I'd imagine, 13 people indicted in a drug bust, is a pretty big deal. I'm still scratching my head about the list of names involved. I can't help to wonder if a tip led to this bust.

I like that. This is a credible motive to me. It is a personal crime.

 

[glf]

Does anybody know if this Mark R. is Gary's brother, or a cousin to all the Rhodens were were killed?

 

[jk204]

I have to say that it is just impossible for me to to have one theory as to who done it with out some details on the crime scene. With that said I feel like who ever was involved has some deep emotional things going on. Whether it grew from passion, jealousy, or money. I dont feel like they were all taken out and it was just business. If the person or persons where young the planning was a long time coming IF there is little to no evidence at the crime scene. On the other hand it could be that there is a great deal of evidence and if that the case I would think that it was passion and little planning. It's all in the details which I don't have. I read the whole thread (I believe) on Saturday. It was my first time checking out Websleuths and the first story I started to read up on. If there are other threads else where would someone be so kind as to direct me. I YouTubed and searched the web for articles and local forums for gossip all day yesterday. My mind is starving for new information.

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I agree with you regarding the crime scene.

1) The windows were open. I don't think the perp came from there or even exited from that windows. It was open to make believe. I think the perp came in and out from the door.

2) All the scrap cars were taken from the crime scene by the investigation. I think they are trying to figure out who was around these homes playing derby with the boys. Derby is also an important link with KR.

3) No TOD information has been published. For whatever reason these windows were open, it could make difficult the establishment of time of death. I would not be surprised if these homes were taken for a thermal test. If that is so, they could have results this fall.

 

[jk204]

I have to say that it is just impossible for me to to have one theory as to who done it with out some details on the crime scene. With that said I feel like who ever was involved has some deep emotional things going on. Whether it grew from passion, jealousy, or money. I dont feel like they were all taken out and it was just business. If the person or persons where young the planning was a long time coming IF there is little to no evidence at the crime scene. On the other hand it could be that there is a great deal of evidence and if that the case I would think that it was passion and little planning. It's all in the details which I don't have. I read the whole thread (I believe) on Saturday. It was my first time checking out Websleuths and the first story I started to read up on. If there are other threads else where would someone be so kind as to direct me. I YouTubed and searched the web for articles and local forums for gossip all day yesterday. My mind is starving for new information.

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I also agree with you about the emotional involvement. It had to be someone known to the victims.

I am looking at the women of the group because this is where the emotions are in my opinion.

But I guess some guys have a lot of emotions for their vehicles too. Apart from getting a brand new pickup truck, I haven't seen a whole lot of ambition around them. So I am a bit reluctant to put greed as a motive. But perhaps I don't know them enough.

 

[GTAWmom]

I also agree with you about the emotional involvement. It had to be someone known to the victims.

I am looking at the women of the group because this is where the emotions are in my opinion.

But I guess some guys have a lot of emotions for their vehicles too. Apart from getting a brand new pickup truck, I haven't seen a whole lot of ambition around them. So I am a bit reluctant to put greed as a motive. But perhaps I don't know them enough.

Some men also have a lot of pride. Pride can be a pretty dangerous thing. I actually know a lot of men who can be just as emotional if not more than some women. One of my uncle's one. He's the biggest drama queen I know. He comes of as a bad a** but he's far from it.

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[GTAWmom]

I also agree with you about the emotional involvement. It had to be someone known to the victims.

I am looking at the women of the group because this is where the emotions are in my opinion.

But I guess some guys have a lot of emotions for their vehicles too. Apart from getting a brand new pickup truck, I haven't seen a whole lot of ambition around them. So I am a bit reluctant to put greed as a motive. But perhaps I don't know them enough.

It just seems that the CR1 murder had a lot of emotion in it.

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[GTAWmom]

I also agree with you about the emotional involvement. It had to be someone known to the victims.

I am looking at the women of the group because this is where the emotions are in my opinion.

But I guess some guys have a lot of emotions for their vehicles too. Apart from getting a brand new pickup truck, I haven't seen a whole lot of ambition around them. So I am a bit reluctant to put greed as a motive. But perhaps I don't know them enough.

I can still see a "professional" type hit, maybe even involving LE, to be fueled by emotion...

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[GTAWmom]

People keep separating the two like they couldn't be both...

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[jk204]

It just seems that the CR1 murder had a lot of emotion in it.

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Others too took multiple bullets. It is not because he took the most bullets that he was the person with most emotions against.

It could well be that he was the hardest to kill. My theory on this is that the shooter entered alone in the living room, by the front door, while both GR and CR were up.

This kind of confrontation - gunman vs 2 men at close range - is likely to unfold as follows:
- gunman shoots one in the face (GR)
- second person jumps on gunman
- scuffle for the gun. Gunman shoots and hits extremities : hands or legs, and possibly torso.
- then once the 2nd is down, the gunman finishes him off with a bit of energy.

To summarize, emotion can come in the confrontation.

We can discuss theories where as:
- there were multiple shooters
- gunmen had silencers
- dogs were dealt with meat

but you know there is much simpler than that :
- one gunman as usual
- noise naturally woke up people
- perp knew everyone including dogs

And no. In a family killing, the father is not necessarily the first victim or even the cause of the conflict. But he is often the strongest member of the family.

 

[jk204]

Some men also have a lot of pride. Pride can be a pretty dangerous thing. I actually know a lot of men who can be just as emotional if not more than some women. One of my uncle's one. He's the biggest drama queen I know. He comes of as a bad a** but he's far from it.

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Totally agree with the pride.

Just to be clear. I am talking about women as victims and at the centre of the conflict. Not as perp.

Looks like revenge.

Imo, credible motives here include i) separation , ii) refusal to recognize the father of the newborn, iii) custody dispute, iv) humiliation

We know about the "official boy friends". We might not have the complete picture. Other mens could have desired HR and HHG.
I've got ideas on that. But this is not TOS.

 

[rsd1200]

Check out the ending to 'The Departed' - the hit from one LEO to another - I imagine a similar scenario here: thick rubber gloves, shoe protectors, disposable clothing (easily burned), a good hat to keep any hair from falling, probably facemasks. When I was in LE we were drilled on the firing range to 'Double Tap'. IMO, I don't think anyone heard the gunshots because the subjects had silencers. I also think that Chris was probably woken up and confronted the subjects and fought, hence why he was shot 9 times.

LE has been in the top of my theory list since day one. I could see getting by w/one home and two people but four homes and eight people? I just don't see your average citizen capable of pulling that off w/o significant assistance from a family member (knowingly or unknowingly).