OH - Pike County: 8 people from one family dead as police hunt for killer(s) - #24

[jk204]

Yeah, but millions break at least one of the 10 commandments everyday and aren't murdered for it.

Millions of wives cheat their husbands every day and they aren't all murdered. But some are.

 

[RAISINISBACK]

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I don't think he would have scapegoated the Rhodens, by personally naming them, from the pulpit, when they were living. He seems to be using the opportunity of the limelight to preach on what happens when one leads a life of sin (so to speak). However, if someone's kin got hurt, or worse, as a result of the Rhoden's lifestyle, I can see someone reacting violently as a result. "If there is harm, then you shall pay life for life." ~ Exodus 21:23

Click here: DeWine: Some interviewed in Rhoden case 'have not been candid'
Others, he said, are "not telling the entire truth" about drug and perhaps other criminal activity for fear of being implicated or arrested.


I thought this comment by DeWine was interesting although Reader has consistently said the Mexican mafia was not involved. But DeWine sounds like he is not ruling out other drug activity as the motive. If they were selling pills like Oxycontin and someone's child overdosed, that could be a motive. IMO

 

[Betty P]

Wahat are usual reason for recusing?
- know a person
- disagreement on the case
- previously involved in a related case
- personal beliefs

Woah. This is interesting. Ohio Supreme Court has a past reputation for some judges who are highly partisan.

There aren't many reasons why a SCOO justice would recuse themselves from a case like this. Very strange. Wow.

I'm voting for "know a person" involved in the case. My original suspicions about this case still stand.

Usually, Republican officials in Ohio don't worry about conflicts of interest. They pretty much do what they want, no one questions them because they control all three branches of government here.

ETA: AG Mike DeWine's son Patrick is also a justice on the Ohio Supreme Court. It looks like there have been a few recusals on cases lately.

http://www.courtnewsohio.gov/bench/2017/VJGallagherDelaney_011117.asp

http://www.courtnewsohio.gov/bench/2017/VJBaldwin_011017.asp

These substitutions could be a way to enhance the resumes of up and coming judges to run for seats on Ohio's Supreme Court. It's been rumored that a number of current justices plan to run for higher political office. Letting some visiting judges sit in gives the GOP a chance to get some experience and name recognition for lower court judges they plan to run to replace any retiring judges.

 

[rsd1200]

Yeah, but millions break at least one of the 10 commandments everyday and aren't murdered for it.

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This is true. Also, by killing the Rhodens and HHG, they too are breaking a commandment. However, the life for a life, eye for an eye, helps folks to "justify" behavior sometimes. Especially if a loved one has been hurt, or worse, by someone's actions. They get it into their head that if it hadn't been for those folks, and their actions, that the bad thing wouldn't have happened to their loved one, and it eats at them. Maybe for months or more. Then one day they take justice into their own hands.

 

[rsd1200]

Click here: DeWine: Some interviewed in Rhoden case 'have not been candid'
Others, he said, are "not telling the entire truth" about drug and perhaps other criminal activity for fear of being implicated or arrested.


I thought this comment by DeWine was interesting although Reader has consistently said the Mexican mafia was not involved. But DeWine sounds like he is not ruling out other drug activity as the motive. If they were selling pills like Oxycontin and someone's child overdosed, that could be a motive. IMO

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BBM
Absolutely. I've known that to happen. There were two young people, who passed, not long before these murders. One near Piketon, and one in Ky. One who I'm sure was a drug overdose, and the other I've never been able to find the c.o.d. Usually if there is no c.o.d. listed for a young person, I've found that it's for the comfort of the family. That may not be the case in other places. I've just kind of noticed it around here b/c there's been several young people who've died in the past couple of years.

 

[ginestra]

I agree, a drug overdose retaliation. It seems like as good of a motive as any.

 

[jk204]

About the autopsy reports:

1) Did LE and/or AG released information regarding the physical positions of HR and HHG?
Did they say if they were killed awake?

2) Could the autopsy reports revealed if HR and HHG were actively breastfeeding when they were shot?

These details appear to me as important.

 

[rsd1200]

About the autopsy reports:

1) Did LE and/or AG released information regarding the physical positions of HR and HHG?
Did they say if they were killed awake?

2) Could the autopsy reports revealed if HR and HHG were actively breastfeeding when they were shot?

These details appear to me as important.

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In nearly all of the articles that I have read, Dewine/Reader/LE have described the victims as most all being killed as they slept. We know that CR1 and GR were awake but I tend to believe that DR, and possibly CR2, and HHG were as well. They've described HR's infant as found near her mother's body.

Hanna Rhoden was in bed with her newborn baby nearby, authorities said

http://www.latimes.com/nation/nationnow/la-na-ohio-ag-pre-planned-execution-20160424-snap-story.html



I don't think that I've read that LE has said that HG's baby was nursing but I tend to believe BJM's statement in the Hazlitt article, that it appeared that HG's baby had been nursing b/c of her exposed breast, b/c she said similar in a May 11, 2016 interview for the Cincinnati.com article;

Tears welled in Manley’s eyes as she described how she found Gilley. Manley demonstrated by lying down on her parents’ couch. She curled up on her right side as if she were in the fetal position and said she is convinced Gilley had been nursing her infant son.

http://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/2016/05/11/pike-county-not-leaving-those-babies-there/84194756/

This would lead me to believe that HG was possibly awake. Could FR have let them in, and been met w/the assailant(s) with their weapons drawn, and knowing that his three year old was in that room, did exactly as they said, and went back to the bedroom, hoping to somehow to get out of it but not wanting his children, or HG hurt?

Maybe she curled into the fetal position to protect the baby.

 

[jk204]

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In nearly all of the articles that I have read, Dewine/Reader/LE have described the victims as most all being killed as they slept. We know that CR1 and GR were awake but I tend to believe that DR, and possibly CR2, and HHG were as well. They've described HR's infant as found near her mother's body.


http://www.latimes.com/nation/nationnow/la-na-ohio-ag-pre-planned-execution-20160424-snap-story.html



I don't think that I've read that LE has said that HG's baby was nursing but I tend to believe BJM's statement in the Hazlitt article, that it appeared that HG's baby had been nursing b/c of her exposed breast, b/c she said similar in a May 11, 2016 interview for the Cincinnati.com article;


http://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/2016/05/11/pike-county-not-leaving-those-babies-there/84194756/

This would lead me to believe that HG was possibly awake. Could FR have let them in, and been met w/the assailant(s) with their weapons drawn, and knowing that his three year old was in that room, did exactly as they said, and went back to the bedroom, hoping to somehow to get out of it but not wanting his children, or HG hurt?

Maybe she curled into the fetal position to protect the baby.

OK. Thanks. Good research.

I haven't been seriously breastfed in a long time and my wife didn't. Mothers reading, please help me.

I am not a doctor, but I would tend to think it would show in the autopsy report.

I wonder if the presence of the child in the bed - avoiding bullets - was staged.

 

[rsd1200]

OK. Thanks. Good research.

I haven't been seriously breastfed in a long time and my wife didn't. Mothers reading, please help me.

I am not a doctor, but I would tend to think it would show in the autopsy report.

I wonder if the presence of the child in the bed - avoiding bullets - was staged.

BBM
haha!

My daughter breastfeeds, so they tend to co-sleep w/my grandchild instead of getting up to get the baby in and out of the crib throughout the night. She would wake up when he'd whimper, and let the baby nurse until full, then they'd fall back to sleep. At HG's infant's age, he was probably waking up around every 4 hours. Sometimes they'll just wake up for a "snack" too. That's the reason for co-sleeping a lot of times. Lots of up and down if not. I will try to talk to my daughter tomorrow to see if she was able to sleep while nursing. I honestly don't see how it would be possible but, I've never been in that situation...

 

[jk204]

BBM
haha!

My daughter breastfeeds, so they tend to co-sleep w/my grandchild instead of getting up to get the baby in and out of the crib throughout the night. She would wake up when he'd whimper, and let the baby nurse until full, then they'd fall back to sleep. At HG's infant's age, he was probably waking up around every 4 hours. Sometimes they'll just wake up for a "snack" too. That's the reason for co-sleeping a lot of times. Lots of up and down if not. I will try to talk to my daughter tomorrow to see if she was able to sleep while nursing. I honestly don't see how it would be possible but, I've never been in that situation...

I apologize for my sense of humour.

How about traces on the nipple, if you dare to look?

What happens to the nipple freshly used when the heart stops beating? Does someone know?

 

[jk204]

HHG's child was already 5 months. Most probably slept better.

 

[Hatfield]

I agree, a drug overdose retaliation. It seems like as good of a motive as any.

Its a very interesting theory.

 

[glf]

I believe if Hannah had fed R a little earlier, traces of dried milk would be apparent on her breast. Of course, it is recommended to wash after nursing, but not everybody does. Especially at nite.

 

[rsd1200]

I apologize for my sense of humour.

How about traces on the nipple, if you dare to look?

What happens to the nipple freshly used when the heart stops beating? Does someone know?

No problem about the sense of humor. It's good to have one. I just spoke to my daughter, and she said that with a nursing baby, it is very easy, when they want to be fed, to let them nurse, and doze right back off. She bottle fed one and breastfed the other, and said especially when breastfeeding b/c you're doing it constantly throughout the day and your pretty tired at night. Also, I guess it's not like you have to hold a bottle either... She could have laid down with the baby, started feeding him, and then went to sleep.

I would guess that there would be traces of milk left on the nipple, only from living on a farm and there being traces left on the teats of cattle and horses.

 

[jk204]

Was HR sleeping? I found the answer!

It appears to me the information has leaked somehow very early in the investigation. Published April 24th:

"A mother holding her 4-day-old baby in her arms, who would do that? Only evil would do that,'' he said referring to Hanna Rhoden, 19, who was fatally shot.

*http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2016/04/24/ohio-pastor-looks-bible/83474724/

 

[rsd1200]

Was HR sleeping? I found the answer!

It appears to me the information has leaked somehow very early in the investigation. Published April 24th:

"A mother holding her 4-day-old baby in her arms, who would do that? Only evil would do that,'' he said referring to Hanna Rhoden, 19, who was fatally shot.

*http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2016/04/24/ohio-pastor-looks-bible/83474724/

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But, is it accurate? There were so many inaccuracies early on. BJM spoke of the six month old, and HHG in a fetal position, and obviously had been breastfeeding, and the baby tucked between them. All other reports indicate that HR's baby was "nearby". I'm not saying he's wrong, just that maybe he has the two Hanna(h)s mixed up. DR's home was the only one that a family member did not go inside. We have at least some type of family statement on all of the others crime scenes. (and this is Pastor Fulton...)

 

[jk204]

You might be right. But please admit you had forgotten about this quote? It's possible you haven't paid enough attention to the story:

"We can hope that lives will be changed ... that things like this will be averted,''

*http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2016/04/24/ohio-pastor-looks-bible/83474724/

And in the same story:

"This has been heartbreaking for everyone, for every woman I know. All I can think about is those kids,'' ............

Tessa Swayne, Fulton's sister-in-law and the church elementary youth leader, knew Dana Manley Rhoden and her three children, Frankie Rhoden, Chris Rhoden and Hanna Rhoden. All four were killed. Swayne said she used to pick up Frankie, Chris and Hanna for church.

"I loved those kids. I hope I touched them in some way,'' said Swayne as she started crying.

I agree. This crime is particularly heartbreaking for women. As for "touching them" in the spiritual way,* my own opinion is that it was hopeless, at least with the adults. But for sure the lives of the children will be changed. Hopefully for better.

 

[rsd1200]

You might be right. But please admit you had forgotten about this quote? It's possible you haven't paid enough attention to the story:

"We can hope that lives will be changed ... that things like this will be averted,''

*http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2016/04/24/ohio-pastor-looks-bible/83474724/

And in the same story:

"This has been heartbreaking for everyone, for every woman I know. All I can think about is those kids,'' ............

Tessa Swayne, Fulton's sister-in-law and the church elementary youth leader, knew Dana Manley Rhoden and her three children, Frankie Rhoden, Chris Rhoden and Hanna Rhoden. All four were killed. Swayne said she used to pick up Frankie, Chris and Hanna for church.

"I loved those kids. I hope I touched them in some way,'' said Swayne as she started crying.

I agree. This crime is particularly heartbreaking for women. As for "touching them" in the spiritual way,* my own opinion is that it was hopeless, at least with the adults. But for sure the lives of the children will be changed. Hopefully for better.

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Honestly, I've become obsessed with this case. :gaah: I admit, though, that If I'd read this, I'd not remembered it, and it could very well be true. I'm just a bit skeptical of Fulton. I find him a bit over zealous and gossipy. However, I too believe that some of the victims were awake.

 

[jk204]

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Honestly, I've become obsessed with this case. :gaah: I admit, though, that If I'd read this, I'd not remembered it, and it could very well be true. I'm just a bit skeptical of Fulton. I find him a bit over zealous and gossipy. However, I too believe that some of the victims were awake.

I am not inferring anything. You should know me by now. For each reader to reflect on this heartbreaking story.

I apologize I gave you a lot to read recently. I am inspired by recent observations. I will try not to crowd the thread. More to come later. Cheers