CANADA Canada - Jack, 4 & Lilly Sullivan, 6, Vulnerable, wandered from home 10am, Gairloch Rd, Landsdowne Station, Pictou County, NS, 2 May 2025 #7

[musicaljoke]

I'm really starting to feel the kids were never in the woods .

One line from the article peaked my curiosity and I would love to hear more expierenced posters take on it .
' investigators would not talk about what investigative theories they had "
If we rule out criminality and abduction and a possibility no wandering took place what other theories are possible.

The police have not publicly ruled out criminality, abduction or wandering. The careful wording of their news release indicates that nothing has been ruled out.

 

[musicaljoke]

The point you make here about the possibility of an unofficial or off the record cps person or persons arranging an off the books type adoption is a thought thst crossed my mind .

There has been Whispers / rumours of this type of scenario happening in my country regarding missing teens and kids who were once under cps care being carted off secretly to other countries for a new start / better life . I don't know if they are just conspiracy or malice so don't quote me ,it's just something I heard from a relative whom through work would come into contact with menial workers in these child protection facilities.

From my perspective I couldn't see this happening but its a big wide world and corruption is part of it

There would be an email trail, or bank irregularities, or witnesses, or unusual vehicle activity, or airport video, or evidence of an irregular passport. Taking a child out of Canada is no easy task. This is not nearly as simple as one could imagine.

 

[Twistinginthewind]

Newest thoughts (and maybe completely wrong):
What, if the parents had a meeting at the mall, where they had been seen to be shopping. This meeting wasn't video taped by surveillance cameras, because someone knew, where exactly cameras aren't placed (public toilet?). The children were for a reason given to someone unknown (to us/LE), rather NOT family, and Lilly and Jack didn't get home in the evening. Afaik, nobody has confirmed, that the children returned to their mobile home with their parents.

The following night the children didn't sleep in their clothing, they were wearing all day, and Lilly didn't sleep with her backpack. They weren't at home at all and also weren't in their beds. They were already absent, forever.

Afaik, we heard nothing from the evening and nothing from the night. Oh wonder, there was nothing to tell by DM. We only heard a story from the morning, which must be fictitious. It didn't happen. Why DM's mother allegedly heard children in the morning at a certain time, I don't know. Did she lie? Did DM, very sophisticated, play a voice recorder with children's chatter and his mother didn't recognize it, because she didn't come outside? On the other hand, repairing a fence (DM) and shoveling somewhere for a swimming pool (his mother) seems odd, when just then the 2 children "disappear" - looks like an alibi for both of them ("I wouldn't have done it, if I had known; so I am innocent.").

How it went from there on, we all know.

I can think of a CPS person, who knew people or a pair, who unofficially wanted 2 children. The CPS person persuaded MB to give her children away, promising, that MB in some form can keep in touch with her children. It was known, that MB was overwhelmed with her duties and wanted to get away from DM, therefore she agreed. DM didn't mind getting rid of the tiresome children (and didn't know, that MB would run away afterwards). So both agreed, then created their story of the disappeared siblings, beginning their lies with Lilly and Jack being annoying in the morning, when the parents wanted to stay in bed. Both adults MB and DM now have to stay with their story and aren't able and willing, to throw the other partner under the bus (despite separation!!).

Yes, the woman with the golden car, waiting at the open backdoor of her car, and the 2 children walking along a road in the direction of the car, doesn't fit my theory at all. IF the children were indeed Lilly and Jack, then they came from home, and my newest story is invalid ......

All MOO and speculation!

Anything is possible, including an arranged new home, IMO. I hadn't thought of someone(s) with CPS being part of it, but posted my speculation early on their parents or relatives could have, as well as they could have been sold.

I could see CPS workers and/or school staff and/or family/friends coming up with a plan offsides/unofficially and just doing it for their protection.

But that's just me. Either way, there was enough time between last sighting and the 911 call to have pulled it off (and make up a cover story under one or more scenario if so).

JMO

 

[Twistinginthewind]

There would be an email trail, or bank irregularities, or witnesses, or unusual vehicle activity, or airport video, or evidence of an irregular passport. Taking a child out of Canada is no easy task. This is not nearly as simple as one could imagine.

Good points. Unless it was all done in person "on the underground", e.g., using burner phones, moving at night, ditching vehicles, etc.

I'll look again for a link to an official governmental website or support service where human trafficking methods and trends are described around the thousands of people that are believed to be moved through NS.

JMO

 

[tlcya]

I took that to mean, that normally if the dogs don't alert the handlers it suggests that they're not in the presence of human remains. However, that's not a sure thing, since they could be in the presence but the odor is somehow unable to be detected. Possibly concealed somehow with chemicals or something? My speculation.

When I think about all the cases I've followed over the years where cadaver dogs totally missed finding remains, it makes more sense what Staff Sgt. Pike said here. Basically, dogs aren't infallible. A google search says they're roughly 95-98% effective.

jmo

exactly. Any person of normal intelligence IMO would know that dogs aren't infallible. That's kind of my point. A whole lot of words to say what should be obvious to the point that it means literally nothing.

 

[tlcya]

Virtually everything mentioned on these threads occurred well before July 16th when LE indicated to the court they did not believe the case was criminal in nature.

There’s no need for the RCMP to publish their theories, they never do that. But if this case has become a criminal investigation there is absolutely no harm in stating that. The alternative is an RCMP officer on the witness stand being questioned by a defence attorney about why he or she has reason to believe the accused is innocent.
JMO

so is the premise that because LE didn't suspect criminal involvement on July 16th and they haven't told us they've changed their opinion on that it must mean they still think no criminal involvement or foul play? Because investigations evolve, new evidence comes to light, and RCMP hasn't exactly been putting out daily updates.

their most recent statement on this was from this week and it continues to be:

“There are multiple aspects of this investigation ongoing simultaneously,” said Staff Sgt. Rob McCamon, officer in charge of major crime and behavioural sciences.

“Each piece of information, including the results from the search teams, helps inform our next steps. With support from agencies across Canada, the investigative team is working to validate or eliminate leads and follow the evidence wherever it takes us.

He added that RCMP are still "considering all possibilities."

"We’ll keep going until we determine, with certainty, the circumstances of the children’s disappearance and they’re found," said McCamon.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova...-search-for-lilly-and-jack-sullivan-9.6931359

MOO until this is solved the investigation continues and therefore no conclusion can be made that this disappearance of two tender age children is not criminal in nature.

 

[dotr]

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Oct 8, 2025 #missing #search #news
Police officers in Nova Scotia are doing everything they can to search for two missing children, Lilly and Jack Sullivan, according to Staff Sgt. Rob McCamon. He is Nova Scotia RCMP's officer in charge of major crime and behavioural sciences. McCamon spoke with the CBC's Aly Thomson.

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