OH - Pike County: 8 people from one family dead as police hunt for killer(s) - #24

[rsd1200]

I have 2 theories with respect to the children: Having the children or Saving the children.

Scenario A) Assaillant(s) were hoping to gain custody or access to children or were upset to be denied as parent.
I think about the father and other men. But there were also previous cases where a woman killed for a child. Especially in an area where having a baby seems to be a factor of social inclusion.

In this scenario, the assailant(s) had some kind of relationship with KR.

and/or Scenario B) Assaillant(s) believed the family members were a threat to the children and/or to the community due to their history, lifestyle or behaviour.

This would make it a "people's justice" or a hate crime. In this case, I would look for extremists, paramilitary, religious fanatics. The assailant(s) would have needed complicity from another person close to the victims.

UBM

With HR, I see she and her first child's father as having a fairly good working relationship. He doesn't seem to be a man of means but he does take care of his child. HR had sent CG the ultrasound pic w/the date of the ultrasound and her LMP. That would give a pretty specific time of conception. (Ultrasounds are scary accurate these days. One of my grandkids was born on the due date and another within a couple hours after the due date.) Did she send it to taunt him? Or did she send it to show him to prove that the baby could very well be his? He seemed to warm to the idea of being a father. There's only a very short window of time that she could have conceived. Did the third possibility see that ultrasound, posted on CG's FB wall, and think, OH %^$#/!!! My life is over as I know it!!! ??

 

[Jax49]

Video ?

Videos 'till I was sick of the main players. And all the transcripts and news reports I could find.

 

[amauet1]

http://www.dispatch.com/news/201701...istance-money-to-family-of-christopher-rhoden

The state has denied crime victim status for Christopher Rhoden (which would have assisted with funeral expenses) based on the finding that he was growing/producing a felony level amount of marijuana.

Other family members have already received funds--suggesting that they were not determined to have been involved.

I wonder if the state will confiscate his property and the rest of his estate now that they determined he was growing an illegal substance? And if this turns out to be one of the reason's they were murdered (financial gain from property), then part of the reason for the killings sure backfired on them.

 

[Dudly]

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LM described CR1's trailer as a box w/a roof. So I'd not think it to be baby friendly at all, as I took that to mean it most likely was pretty sparse inside. Back a few threads ago, someone had said that DR was living in the trailer below KR, and the person living there now, was living w/FR & HHG. Would CR2 and HR have been living there w/their mother? I don't have anything from MSM or a quote from family stating that was the living arrangements though. There are also three potential fathers which makes this second pregnancy even a bit more complicated.

I was under the impression she was living on the property with the pond before she moved to the house where she lost her life...

 

[cujenn81]

http://www.dispatch.com/news/201701...istance-money-to-family-of-christopher-rhoden

The state has denied crime victim status for Christopher Rhoden (which would have assisted with funeral expenses) based on the finding that he was growing/producing a felony level amount of marijuana.

Other family members have already received funds--suggesting that they were not determined to have been involved.

Hmmm, that's certainly interesting.


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[amauet1]

I was under the impression she was living on the property with the pond before she moved to the house where she lost her life...

I have heard, read, whatever, that she lived in Lucasville for awhile, with Frankie and HHG, the trailer on KR's property, who knows Dudly>

 

[amauet1]

You know LE is implying that they have been lied to by neighbor's, friends of the family, and family. Does everyone realize how intertwined some of these neighbor's are to this family? They "are " family! 1st cousins, 2nd , and third. Uncles , Aunt's, in-laws, grandparents, married to, divorced from. Because of tos rules I can't mention all the names. But I think CRsr rented some of his land to them, making them "close neighbor's" in more ways than one.

 

[rsd1200]

I have heard, read, whatever, that she lived in Lucasville for awhile, with Frankie and HHG, the trailer on KR's property, who knows Dudly>

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She was living in Lucasville at one time. None of her court hearings show anything, over the years, except two UHR, Pikeville addresses though. O/T : Oddly enough I found that GR shows to have been living at KR's old address back several years ago which leads me to believe he'd been up here a whole lot more than folks either knew about or let on. GR's brother was arrested on a dui in Scioto on the day of the funerals.

 

[rsd1200]

You know LE is implying that they have been lied to by neighbor's, friends of the family, and family. Does everyone realize how intertwined some of these neighbor's are to this family? They "are " family! 1st cousins, 2nd , and third. Uncles , Aunt's, in-laws, grandparents, married to, divorced from. Because of tos rules I can't mention all the names. But I think CRsr rented some of his land to them, making them "close neighbor's" in more ways than one.

IKR?! :banghead: The family tree, I started awhile back, is now a forest.

 

[rsd1200]

I was under the impression she was living on the property with the pond before she moved to the house where she lost her life...

I think we're talking about the same one. It's the one that has the barn by the road? I think that the fella that lives there now, lived with FR and HG for awhile, then DR moved to her new place, and he moved into the trailer w/the pond and barn near the road. KR moved out of the yellow house at 40777, and to the camper. All of these moves seemed to have happened within the last four-six weeks or so iirc. I could be confused at this point though.

 

[tlcya]

Hi guys. I have removed some off topic posts about religion. Nobody has been disrespectful or rude. It is just off topic and broad religious discussion is discouraged at Websleuths because it can go sideways fast. It ididn't here but rules are rules.

I want you to know you have been a truly great group discussing this difficult case. When members have nothing new to chew on and go round and round examining the same minimal facts for a long while things can get heated easily. You have been given almost no new info in months and months. I know how hard that is. You have discussed theories and examined the facts every way to Sunday and done so respectfully. I so appreciate that. You have no idea how much.

This conversation could easily be a poostorm of crazy bickering. But it is not and you are the reason. You police yourselves and continue to be devoted to seeing this one resolved.

Just wanted to let you know why some stuff is missing and that I truly appreciate how you have handled yourselves in here.

:loveyou:

tlcya.

 

[rsd1200]

Thank you tlcya. I over explain sometimes and use personal experience. I apologize. I went a bit too in depth on that one.

 

[amauet1]

I think we're talking about the same one. It's the one that has the barn by the road? I think that the fella that lives there now, lived with FR and HG for awhile, then DR moved to her new place, and he moved into the trailer w/the pond and barn near the road. KR moved out of the yellow house at 40777, and to the camper. All of these moves seemed to have happened within the last four-six weeks or so iirc. I could be confused at this point though.

Hmmmm........ I understand the moves made by Dana, and BR, but I wonder why KR move? Wonder if he needed more privacy, or needed to be closer to the barn.

 

[amauet1]

In the article from the dispatch , it mentioned that a David Weisel, applied for " lost wages". Why would he be applying for that. He is CRsr's brother - in - law, married to CRsr's sister. It wouldn't be for lost wages of CRsr's. TR is CRsr's excetutor. Did he apply for himself? I'm confused about this.

 

[rsd1200]

Hmmmm........ I understand the moves made by Dana, and BR, but I wonder why KR move? Wonder if he needed more privacy, or needed to be closer to the barn.

I had wondered if there'd maybe been some division between he and CR1. From what I can tell, he was at UHR in 2010-2013 and I think he moved not long before the murders. I cannot place where I read that though. I'm brain dead right now. I pulled up maps and the same trucks were parked in front of the yellow house too (different positions).

 

[Flatbush]

Ok so, I have spent my Friday evening trying to research this marijuana/burial business.
A felony amount of marijuana for folks like me who do not know the metric system is 2.62 pounds =1kg., according to the page below.


http://www.guinealynx.info/weight_conversion.html

However this page differs:
http://statelaws.findlaw.com/ohio-law/ohio-marijuana-laws.html


It states 200 grams ( one tenth of the above)is a felony which according to my calculations would be just a little over half a pound, 8 ounces.


I find it interesting that this info about not getting burial funds based on the marijuana comes from a unit at the Attorney General's office.


I wonder if DeWine knew this would come out in the paper, particularly on the heels of the Judge excusing herself over the autopsy case.


While it appears I have not been able to accurately determine how much marijuana CRSR had (cut or uncut no idea), IF he had a little over 8 ounces one could conclude it MIGHT be for personal use, share with whomever, maybe he might have sold some IDK. If it was in fact the larger amount of 2.62 pound, perhaps he shared it with "friends " and sold some on the side. I am not going to try to sugar coat it, if you are dealing with this, its going to bring in dangerous people.
Maybe people who thought he had a large amount of cash. Maybe they visited and smoked over a period of time. Got friendly and familiar with the whole family. Maybe a "friend" who came around with romantic interest in a family member, that was just not going to work out.


This would explain it to me. He took the worst beating, most likely someone trying to find out where money and pot was. Everyone else collateral damage, because they would surely know who killed him and why.


People have killed over alot less.

 

[rsd1200]

In the article from the dispatch , it mentioned that a David Weisel, applied for " lost wages". Why would he be applying for that. He is CRsr's brother - in - law, married to CRsr's sister. It wouldn't be for lost wages of CRsr's. TR is CRsr's excetutor. Did he apply for himself? I'm confused about this.

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If I've got the right one, I think he's a truck driver. Wages lost from not being on the road to be w/his family during their time of loss and the funeral(s)?

 

[Flatbush]

Thanks so much tlcia!
We do try hard to behave! :loveyou:
Arrests soon we pray! And a Presser from LE!

 

[rsd1200]

Ok so, I have spent my Friday evening trying to research this marijuana/burial business.
A felony amount of marijuana for folks like me who do not know the metric system is 2.62 pounds =1kg., according to the page below.


http://www.guinealynx.info/weight_conversion.html

However this page differs:
http://statelaws.findlaw.com/ohio-law/ohio-marijuana-laws.html


It states 200 grams ( one tenth of the above)is a felony which according to my calculations would be just a little over half a pound, 8 ounces.


I find it interesting that this info about not getting burial funds based on the marijuana comes from a unit at the Attorney General's office.


I wonder if DeWine knew this would come out in the paper, particularly on the heels of the Judge excusing herself over the autopsy case.


While it appears I have not been able to accurately determine how much marijuana CRSR had (cut or uncut no idea), IF he had a little over 8 ounces one could conclude it MIGHT be for personal use, share with whomever, maybe he might have sold some IDK. If it was in fact the larger amount of 2.62 pound, perhaps he shared it with "friends " and sold some on the side. I am not going to try to sugar coat it, if you are dealing with this, its going to bring in dangerous people.
Maybe people who thought he had a large amount of cash. Maybe they visited and smoked over a period of time. Got friendly and familiar with the whole family. Maybe a "friend" who came around with romantic interest in a family member, that was just not going to work out.


This would explain it to me. He took the worst beating, most likely someone trying to find out where money and pot was. Everyone else collateral damage, because they would surely know who killed him and why.


People have killed over alot less.

BBM
Although I've no problem w/pot whatsoever, and OH has actually voted to go legal, you are correct. OH wasn't legal when this happened. When it is illegal, it will attract folks who wish to use only pot, and folks who are using other stuff in conjunction with pot. I've also found that even if a person deals mostly in pot, if they run across the opportunity to make some quick money, they may purchase some harder stuff to turn around if it makes a decent profit. They may even purchase stolen goods, or guns, possibly w/o knowing that either are stolen, just to make a fast buck. They're usually in it to make some decent cash if they're not selling just to pay for their own use. I don't think that CR1 was really a user, just from feels, I think he was more of a jack of all trades, wheeler dealer type fella. This still brings me back to someone's child possibly getting hurt, or worse, or, the "in cold blood" theory also keeps cropping up in my mind. Also, if they double crossed someone on a deal, that could lead to something awful.

 

[Flatbush]

Thinking it got legal in Ohio shortly after the murders. I hope thats not why this happened. No reason is good enough for something this horrible. But pot.. Ugh.