OH - Pike County: 8 people from one family dead as police hunt for killer(s) - #24

[Canaille]

Many of us have personal survivor stories. It helps to understand the perspective of others. Mine is a hate crime of gender, here it is:

*http://www.cbc.ca/montreal/features/remember-14/

On wednesday december 6th 1989 past 5pm, a 20 years old gunman entered my school. Rejected by the school, rejected by women, he came to school to exterminate women.

He shot dead 14 young women and injured as many. In one classroom, he expelled men. He ordered women to align against the wall and executed them with a semi-automatic weapon. He knew none of them.

The victims of this massacre were young women, most of the age of Hanna and Hannah.* The gunman didn't survive to face justice. The injustice to women is far greater than this single story. Maybe it's why I am so interested in obtaining justice for the two young mothers.

How awful and frightening. Thank you for sharing with us.

 

[Betty P]

http://m.fox19.com/fox19/db_347473/contentdetail.htm?contentguid=vEtD3loi

VERY interesting!

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Another link with video and more information

http://www.fox19.com/story/34385076/rhoden-evidence-warehouse-raided-overnight

TV station was tipped off when a source called and told them a sheriff's office staffer radioed and said they needed crime scene tape at the warehouse where Rhoden family evidence was stored.

Two ambulances were called and allowed inside the gate. They remained there for a couple of hours


Around midnight, the Crime Scene Evidence truck left the warehouse along with another truck. They went to the county sheriff impound lot and into a garage. CSE truck returned later in the evening to the warehouse

DeWine's office claimed they were not involved in the raid.

The reporter says there were deputies and undercover officers there. Wondering if these are DEA agents? I've long thought the secrecy in this case might be to protect undercover agents still working in the area.

 

[glf]

Well, Charlie can say anything he wants, but the whole thing seems pretty suspicious to me.
:worms::coffeews:

 

[tlcya]

I am really confused why FOX19 is repeatedly referring to it as a "raid"

Looks to me like it was LE removing certain peices of evidence from the scene where the majority of the Rhoden crime scenes are being stored. I guess I am confused as to why that is so suspicious? If they were there regarding another criminal activity at the site then it might be a raid. But to remove evidence from the Rhoden trailers to take to their own impound is not remarkable to me. The whole point of securing the trailers was for just this purpose - so that evidence would still be there when LE decided it was possible evidence related to the murders. That is not a raid. That is them doing what they always said they would do. maintain any and all possible evidence for future examination.

 

[Elley Mae]

I wonder if this is why they were there.

Heroin laced with carfentanil (elephant tranquilizer) causes overdoses, one death in Pike County

http://www.newswatchman.com/pike/article_b8251299-0038-59dc-9006-e01101a8a7aa.html

Relevant Compounding Llc in Waverly - Pharmacy Location, Contact

http://npino.com/pharmacy/1497195895-relevant-compounding-llc/

In the one photo with the two LE at the door this is what I see.

https://www.google.com/maps/place/R...39562d9877955c!8m2!3d39.1118732!4d-82.9821758

 

[Damarna]

I am really confused why FOX19 is repeatedly referring to it as a "raid"

Looks to me like it was LE removing certain peices of evidence from the scene where the majority of the Rhoden crime scenes are being stored. I guess I am confused as to why that is so suspicious? If they were there regarding another criminal activity at the site then it might be a raid. But to remove evidence from the Rhoden trailers to take to their own impound is not remarkable to me. The whole point of securing the trailers was for just this purpose - so that evidence would still be there when LE decided it was possible evidence related to the murders. That is not a raid. That is them doing what they always said they would do. maintain any and all possible evidence for future examination.

A "raid" to me means LE TAKING control of something not originally theirs. If that makes sense. Didn't seem appropriate here.

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[Betty P]

Probably because it was done with such secrecy, near midnight on a Monday night, when no one was present at the warehouse. If it was something routine they needed to retrieve, they could have just gone there during normal business hours. They've done that before.

I don't work in the news media, so this is just a guess.

 

[Betty P]

I wonder if this is why they were there.

Heroin laced with carfentanil (elephant tranquilizer) causes overdoses, one death in Pike County

http://www.newswatchman.com/pike/article_b8251299-0038-59dc-9006-e01101a8a7aa.html

Relevant Compounding Llc in Waverly - Pharmacy Location, Contact

http://npino.com/pharmacy/1497195895-relevant-compounding-llc/

In the one photo with the two LE at the door this is what I see.

https://www.google.com/maps/place/R...39562d9877955c!8m2!3d39.1118732!4d-82.9821758

Both companies, Relevant and Hadsell, provide services related to pharmaceutical production.

http://www.hadsellchemicalprocessing.com/chemical-services.html

Interesting location for storing the crime scenes from the Rhoden family massacre. I recall thinking that at the time they announced the move of the trailers to Hasdell Chemical.

I wonder if the owners/managers of either business at that address knew the police were coming to search the place Monday night? If not, or if they were taking evidence from one of those businesses, it might be considered a raid.

The recent arrest of the Roden cousin and his neighbor for possession of drugs is also noteworthy. DeWine noted those arrests were related to information gained in the Rhoden murder investigation, but not related to the murder, itself. Now this. It will be interesting to see if there are any arrests or grand jury hearings to follow.

ETA: If the police were looking for carfentanil, it might explain the presence of EMS. IIRC, that drug is so powerful that people can become sick even through casual contact with it. Most carfentanil coming into the US today is from China, where it's not considered a controlled substance.

http://www.jems.com/articles/news/2...ueled-by-carfentanil-imported-from-china.html

Before being discovered by drug dealers, carfentanil and substances like it were viewed as chemical weapons. One of the most powerful opioids in circulation, carfentanil is so deadly that an amount smaller than a poppy seed can kill a person. Fentanyl is up to 50 times stronger than heroin; carfentanil is chemically similar, but 100 times stronger than fentanyl itself.

"It's a weapon," said Andrew Weber, assistant secretary of defense for nuclear, chemical and biological defense programs from 2009 to 2014. "Companies shouldn't be just sending it to anybody."

 

[rsd1200]

OK. Thanks. LM said it looked like a hate crime. I think it's a possibility. I would not exclude some kind of people justice / paramilitary group. It would have needed help from a person close to the victims though. So I am not sure the gang you mention would fit. I was thinking about a group with a different profile: with high moral status.

The kind that cleans neighborhood

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I'm not wondering for this case. That's why it was O/T. I was only wondering if anyone who had a gang theory, for this case, had come across The Black Guerrilla Family , having affiliations in the the OH, KY, IN, areas, in any of their research. It's for a case, just not this one.

 

[Canaille]

If I understand the Writ, it sounds like it could be related to this maybe? Maybe the company defaulted. Also, there is a case of appeal that went to the Ohio supreme court involving the company... could be related to it as well.

http://www.newswatchman.com/news/article_a87ca5ba-b3fc-11e1-bda7-0019bb2963f4.html

 

[jk204]

http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/re...e/news-story/1b45bdf93e2acea8da0a4701357cbfb0

Two of the victims, police have not revealed which, were shot nine and seven times respectively, compared to others who were shot between one and three times

Shot 7 times? Does it make sense?

CR1** 9
HG**** 5
KR***** 1
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CR2
DR
HR
GR

 

[Betty P]

If I understand the Writ, it sounds like it could be related to this maybe? Maybe the company defaulted. Also, there is a case of appeal that went to the Ohio supreme court involving the company... could be related to it as well.

http://www.newswatchman.com/news/article_a87ca5ba-b3fc-11e1-bda7-0019bb2963f4.html

It appears, as a company, they're pretty well connected. What was the Supreme Court case?

ETA: More information, may or may not be relevant. May explain why Hasdell was chosen as the place to store the Rhoden Family evidence.

http://www.highlandcountypress.com/...announces-candidacy-for-Ohio-House/2/20/21358

“Many politicians say they want to help create jobs, but Cliff Rosenberger backs that up with action and results,” said Bob Walton. Jr., CEO, Hadsell Chemical Processing. “I’m an owner of a new business located in Pike County, State Representative Cliff Rosenberger has helped my business grow from the very beginning. No elected official has done more to help me create good-paying jobs than Cliff Rosenberger. Cliff Rosenberger understands what it takes to succeed in business and promote economic growth. Cliff Rosenberger is a true ally for the businesses in his district. We are blessed to have Cliff as our state representative."

 

[glf]

Chris was shot 9 times, Gary 3 times, Kenny 1 time, Hannah, 5 times. A total of 32 shots fired at 8 different victims. Two victims were shot 4 times, leaving 6 shots between the last two victims.

 

[Canaille]

There was an article somewhere that had listed the names and how many times they were shot.

 

[Dudly]

This is northwest of Pike County. I don't know if it was this hospital or another that ran out of Narcan.
http://abc22now.com/news/local/50-overdoses-in-3-days-in-clark-county

 

[Betty P]

Sheriff Reader debunks news story about raid

http://portsmouth-dailytimes.com/news/13451/foreclosing-on-opportunity

He claims the sheriff's department was there to tag and retrieve some inventory in relation to a series of lawsuits against Hadsell Chemical and Relevant Compounding. Ok.:thinking: Just a coincidence.

If the company goes into foreclosure, what happens to the Rhoden family trailers and other evidence?

This case is so unusual.

 

[RAISINISBACK]

Sheriff Reader debunks news story about raid

http://portsmouth-dailytimes.com/news/13451/foreclosing-on-opportunity

He claims the sheriff's department was there to tag and retrieve some inventory in relation to a series of lawsuits against Hadsell Chemical and Relevant Compounding. Ok.:thinking: Just a coincidence.

If the company goes into foreclosure, what happens to the Rhoden family trailers and other evidence?

This case is so unusual.

Why did they need crime scene tape and ambulances? They don't put crime scene tape up to remove evidence or even for a robbery do they? I though they only put that up in a homicide or other questionable death. Then the ambulances? Were they there to transport evidence?

 

[coastal]

Sheriff Reader debunks news story about raid

http://portsmouth-dailytimes.com/news/13451/foreclosing-on-opportunity

He claims the sheriff's department was there to tag and retrieve some inventory in relation to a series of lawsuits against Hadsell Chemical and Relevant Compounding. Ok.:thinking: Just a coincidence.

If the company goes into foreclosure, what happens to the Rhoden family trailers and other evidence?

This case is so unusual.

BBM. Wow:

>>>snip

“Jody Barr (Fox 19) of Channel 19 doesn’t know how to report the truth,” Pike County Sheriff Charles Reader said...

<<<snip

Ouch.

 

[Elley Mae]

Why did they need crime scene tape and ambulances? They don't put crime scene tape up to remove evidence or even for a robbery do they? I though they only put that up in a homicide or other questionable death. Then the ambulances? Were they there to transport evidence?

Just a guess.

When working with the chemicals, pharmaceutical, some are dangerous to inhale (if that is where they were) and if that is where they were then I can see them have ems, ambulances there as a precaution. While looking for the photo that showed one of the people there I noticed one had a chemical mask in his hand.

While looking I found this.


Exclusive: Rhoden evidence warehouse raid targeted chemical company

http://www.fox19.com/story/34385076/rhoden-evidence-warehouse-raided-overnight

 

[glf]

I wonder why this was all done at nite? Sounds like daytime work to me. And I don't recall Jody specifically stating that he was certain this was related to the Rhoden case.
And here's this chemical company, obviously tied up in some type of disagreement among the owners, or something similar. And not only is it serious enough for one said owner to have all of HIS belongings removed, but serious enough that it must be done late at nite?
Really confusing. Makes me think this chemical company may not have co-owners much longer, or they are having financial problems. Business isn't really my thing, so I'm pretty much guessing.