OH - Pike County: 8 people from one family dead as police hunt for killer(s) #32

[Nickandnora]

NickandNora, my pit bull LOVED, LOVED, LOVED everyone, except for people wearing a hat. I always wondered what that was about. Do you know enough about your dog's history to know why that's a trigger for your dog? TIA

We have had him since he was 8 weeks old he’s 11 now and has always hated hats and hoodies. The sight of them really trigger something in him, we have tried to figure it out and can’t come up with a solution. I might add 99.50% of the time if the person takes the hat off he settles down. The only thing I can possibly think is that he can not fully see their features, so finds them threatening..

i had another dog that was a uniform hater this dog loved my uncle and my father who were both LEs but if they came by in uniform,up would go the hackles, we called it her Mohawk, once she got their scent she couldn’t wag her tail enough.

 

[Betty P]

https://www.cincinnati.com/story/ne...mily-campaign-against-gun-violence/569804002/

It's very encouraging that these murders are remembered by many outside of Ohio. This case needs help from the public in making sure it isn't swept under the rug, so to speak.

It's also great to see that most people are honoring the victims, instead of blaming them for their own deaths. There's been a lot of that happening online, but it doesn't reflect popular opinion.

 

[rsd1200]

It's very encouraging that these murders are remembered by many outside of Ohio. This case needs help from the public in making sure it isn't swept under the rug, so to speak.

It's also great to see that most people are honoring the victims, instead of blaming them for their own deaths. There's been a lot of that happening online, but it doesn't reflect popular opinion.

BBM

This case, is why I registered here, with WS, rather than just lurking. The comments in some places, were downright cruel, as were the comments on some articles, in addition to some articles being quite insensitive (The Daily Beast, article, for one, was more than insensitive). I've found WS to be unlike any other board, in the two years, that I've been here, and that's a compliment to WS, and WS members.

 

[MittenScarpetta]

Looks like MTV is going to be doing a reality series on Pike County KY (not OHIO). Little o/t, but it will be interesting for people who don’t understand, to see the Appalachian culture.

http://www.wkyt.com/content/news/MTV-to-debut-Pike-County-reality-show-in-summer-2018-481249031.html

 

[RAISINISBACK]

BBM
That's been on my mind since he told that story. I've wondered if KR either allowed them in, and either gave Brownie and "okay" command, or, she knew them somewhat, so thought it was okay, or, it was actually someone that Brownie was around all the time, and had no reason to be suspicious of them.

I've got two little dogs. They bark if a butterfly lands on the driveway. More than likely if they talked sweet to them, one would warm right up, and the other would be a bit suspicious, but wouldn't bite. I've got a 100+ pound, Rott, who is fairly protective of me. Like your Lab, if I encouraged her, she'd go, I do believe, b/c she's got that guardian nature. I have her trained with hand, and verbal, commands. I have not, however, trained her to be an attack dog. She's friendly, but, she is leery of some strangers, and some she's not. There was this car that pulled up, one day, that we didn't recognize, and she kept them in that car. Hackles up! They backed it out and drove off. I figured if she didn't like them, it was good enough for me. We have a Beware of Dog sign, and, like you, I never tell anyone that my dogs won't bite. They are animals and ya just can't say for sure.

O/T Reminds me of a joke. A guy was standing in a yard with a dog. Another guy walks up to talk and asks the man "does your dog bite?" The man told him "No my dog does not bite." after which the dog promptly bit the other man. The man said "I thought you said your dog didn't bite." The other guy looked at him and said "That's not my dog."

 

[rsd1200]

Looks like MTV is going to be doing a reality series on Pike County KY (not OHIO). Little o/t, but it will be interesting for people who don’t understand, to see the Appalachian culture.

http://www.wkyt.com/content/news/MTV-to-debut-Pike-County-reality-show-in-summer-2018-481249031.html

Not to be THAT person, and in no way directing this toward you Mitten, but not everyone is super happy about the show. It's feared it's going to bring a bad light to the region, rather than highlighting our positives. I will likely give it the benefit of the doubt, and give it a watch, to see, but if they're here to make us look stupid, and poke fun, on national television, then I hope they run them out of town on a rail.

Though this show might bring entertainment, people in Elkhorn City fear it could give both their city and Pike County a bad name. Recently they were filming in Elkhorn but were since then asked to leave.
"They tried to film here and they started a little bit, like on the beach. When we found it out, I was out of town and I had to call my city police and we stopped it then," said Mike Taylor, the mayor of Elkhorn.
He said the show does not highlight the positives in his town, instead, it embraces the stereotypes.

http://www.wkyt.com/content/news/MTV-to-debut-Pike-County-reality-show-in-summer-2018-481249031.html

 

[rsd1200]

O/T Reminds me of a joke. A guy was standing in a yard with a dog. Another guy walks up to talk and asks the man "does your dog bite?" The man told him "No my dog does not bite." after which the dog promptly bit the other man. The man said "I thought you said your dog didn't bite." The other guy looked at him and said "That's not my dog."

:laughing: Needed that laugh Raisin!

 

[MittenScarpetta]

Not to be THAT person, and in no way directing this toward you Mitten, but not everyone is super happy about the show. It's feared it's going to bring a bad light to the region, rather than highlighting our positives. I will likely give it the benefit of the doubt, and give it a watch, to see, but if they're here to make us look stupid, and poke fun, on national television, then I hope they run them out of town on a rail.



http://www.wkyt.com/content/news/MTV-to-debut-Pike-County-reality-show-in-summer-2018-481249031.html

I’ve seen lots of commenters not too happy about this today. I totally understand why people are upset. I sure hope it doesn’t bring a bad light. Personally, I love seeing the culture...I understand it well. Coming from someone who’s papaw was born in a holler and grandmother started off raising my dad in a shack, I guess I can relate on some levels to the way of life because although my elders evolved into a different area-they all still held on to their roots and instilled the values in our family’s younger generation.

 

[RAISINISBACK]

I’ve seen lots of commenters not too happy about this today. I totally understand why people are upset. I sure hope it doesn’t bring a bad light. Personally, I love seeing the culture...I understand it well. Coming from someone who’s papaw was born in a holler and grandmother started off raising my dad in a shack, I guess I can relate on some levels to the way of life because although my elders evolved into a different area-they all still held on to their roots and instilled the values in our family’s younger generation.

Have you ever read Harriet Arnow? Hunter's Horn?

 

[MittenScarpetta]

Have you ever read Harriet Arnow? Hunter's Horn?

I haven’t. I read her book The Dollmaker, but that was years ago.

 

[MittenScarpetta]

I think about the only thing that hasn’t been looked into is credit checks. Literally. And we can’t do that. Nor would it serve a purpose. BUT, it made me think.

If someone opens an LLC, that LLC is granted a tax ID #. A tax ID # is essentially the social security number of a business.

I’m curious if CRsr opened that LLC (I believe in 2009) to get lines of business credit in order to finance some things. I don’t discount the other connections with the LLC...I’m just thinking of all possible ways an LLC could’ve benefited him.

I watched an old employer of mine do this. And then a couple years later...bankruptcy was filed on that LLC because there wasn’t $$ to pay all the business lines of credit, due to the recession that hit.

 

[amauet1]

I think about the only thing that hasn’t been looked into is credit checks. Literally. And we can’t do that. Nor would it serve a purpose. BUT, it made me think.

If someone opens an LLC, that LLC is granted a tax ID #. A tax ID # is essentially the social security number of a business.

I’m curious if CRsr opened that LLC (I believe in 2009) to get lines of business credit in order to finance some things. I don’t discount the other connections with the LLC...I’m just thinking of all possible ways an LLC could’ve benefited him.

I watched an old employer of mine do this. And then a couple years later...bankruptcy was filed on that LLC because there wasn’t $$ to pay all the business lines of credit, due to the recession that hit.

Whew! I went on that LLC merry-go- round and found almost anybody can have an LLC. Most of the ones I checked showed profit, with like only 2 employee's, but that's as far as I could get with them.I did notice that a lot of the medical/health care LLC's connected to Southern Ohio, but then the bottom dropped out on how far I could get in my research. Privicy laws.But you guys are better at research than I.

 

[MittenScarpetta]

Whew! I went on that LLC merry-go- round and found almost anybody can have an LLC. Most of the ones I checked showed profit, with like only 2 employee's, but that's as far as I could get with them.I did notice that a lot of the medical/health care LLC's connected to Southern Ohio, but then the bottom dropped out on how far I could get in my research. Privicy laws.But you guys are better at research than I.

Yes...anyone can get one. That’s why you’ll see LLC’s more than other types of business such as S-corps. They’re easier to maintain from a bookkeeper perspective and carry the least liability. I’ll do some digging tomorrow, as it may be different per state, but I’m almost positive there would have been a tax id issued with that LLC and that opens a lot of avenues for businesses, whether legit or not, when it comes to $$$$. If someone has poor credit w/their SS #, they can open an LLC, get a tax ID and gain access to credit that way. LLC’s are cheap and easy to get. Any of us could have one in two weeks tops if we wanted. There used to be a way to search for a business entity and pull up their tax id, or a portion of it.

Disclaimer-in no way am i recommending this lol I’m sure it’s not legal to open an LLC for the sole purpose of credit lines. It’s actually probably pretty illegal in some way.

 

[rsd1200]

I’ve seen lots of commenters not too happy about this today. I totally understand why people are upset. I sure hope it doesn’t bring a bad light. Personally, I love seeing the culture...I understand it well. Coming from someone who’s papaw was born in a holler and grandmother started off raising my dad in a shack, I guess I can relate on some levels to the way of life because although my elders evolved into a different area-they all still held on to their roots and instilled the values in our family’s younger generation.

I was born, and raised here, and will likely die, right here on the farm, where I started my life.There's been some work by a variety of folks, to bring ideas to get jobs into the region, promote tourism, and such, and Hollywood does not have a stellar reputation for shining us in the best of light. I'm like a lot, I'm not feeling it, but still hoping for the best.

 

[RAISINISBACK]

Yes...anyone can get one. That’s why you’ll see LLC’s more than other types of business such as S-corps. They’re easier to maintain from a bookkeeper perspective and carry the least liability. I’ll do some digging tomorrow, as it may be different per state, but I’m almost positive there would have been a tax id issued with that LLC and that opens a lot of avenues for businesses, whether legit or not, when it comes to $$$$. If someone has poor credit w/their SS #, they can open an LLC, get a tax ID and gain access to credit that way. LLC’s are cheap and easy to get. Any of us could have one in two weeks tops if we wanted. There used to be a way to search for a business entity and pull up their tax id, or a portion of it.

Disclaimer-in no way am i recommending this lol I’m sure it’s not legal to open an LLC for the sole purpose of credit lines. It’s actually probably pretty illegal in some way.

The tax ID you are talking about is called an EIN. Employer Identification Number. You can get those on a sole proprietorship (single person doing business and filing a Schedule C), a partnership (Two or more people doing business and filing a form 1065) a S Corporation ( a small corporation with single or multiple people as investors filing a form 1120S) or a corporation (single or multiple people as investors filing a form 1120). The reason you see more of those is because an LLC (Limited Liability Company) can be filed as a sole proprietorship, partnership, S corp, or Corp.

But to get an EIN the person filing for one must provide a social security number.

Generally the lender will ask for the social security number of the person applying for the loan in addition to the EIN. The exception to this is generally trade companies (I.E lumber yards and other specially trade businesses). Once established with good credit at a specially business the person can then use them as a credit reference to obtain a loan at a finance company.

Anyone can get an EIN online at the IRS site in about 10 minutes by supplying your SSN, the name of your business and type of business (I.E retail store, construction company ect.) But please remember that if you obtain an EIN under a business name you are telling the IRS that, first you are making cash money in a business and second you intend to employ people in that business. The penalties can be stiff for not filing the proper forms. The penalty for not filing a 1065 partnership by the filing date of March 15 is 195.00 per partner per month. Ditto with the 1120S, and 1120. 195.00 per stockholder per month. Penalties for 2 partners would be 4680.00 per year for not filing.

Then you have the IRS looking for payroll taxes from those employees you said you had.

I don't advise it for anyone but if you do find yourself in one, you can always file the proper form on time and do a technical termination of the business.

And this is all about as clear as mud right?

 

[MittenScarpetta]

The tax ID you are talking about is called an EIN. Employer Identification Number. You can get those on a sole proprietorship (single person doing business and filing a Schedule C), a partnership (Two or more people doing business and filing a form 1065) a S Corporation ( a small corporation with single or multiple people as investors filing a form 1120S) or a corporation (single or multiple people as investors filing a form 1120). An LLC (Limited Liability Company) can be filed as a sole proprietorship, partnership, S corp, or Corp.

But to get an EIN the person filing for one must provide a social security number.

Generally the lender will ask for the social security number of the person applying for the loan in addition to the EIN. The exception to this is generally trade companies (I.E lumber yards and other specially trade businesses). Once established with good credit at a specially business the person can then use them as a credit reference to obtain a loan at a finance company.

Anyone can get an EIN online in about 10 minutes by supplying your SSN, the name of your business and type of business (I.E retail store, construction company ect.) But please remember that if you obtain an EIN under a business name you are telling the IRS that, first you are making cash money in a business and second you intend to employ people in that business. The penalties can be stiff for not filing the proper forms. The penalty for not filing a 1065 partnership by the filing date of March 15 is 195.00 per partner per month. Ditto with the 1120S, and 1120. 195.00 per stockholder per month. Penalties for 2 partners would be 4680.00 per year for not filing.

Then you have the IRS looking for payroll taxes from those employees you said you had.

I don't advise it for anyone but if you do find yourself in one, you can always file the proper form on time and do a technical termination of the business.

And this is all about as clear as mud right?

Well, you explained it way better than I did [emoji4] thank you! I have seen lenders approve lines of credit, with just the EIN (tax ID) but it’s mostly lenders that offer store credit cards. For example, the company I worked for had a DELL credit line and purchases all new computers, with only the EIN.

I’m just curious if CRsr had an EIN w/the LLC and if he possibly established one in order to access credit lines...say perhaps to build a big barn? Or tools? In other words, I am wondering if that LLC in his name served more than one purpose to him. A person can have an EIN and report a business income of zero with losses (expenses), especially if it’s a business that’s “just starting up”

 

[MittenScarpetta]

RSD, I had to dig to find this because I couldn’t remember where I had saw it but in the last thread you had mentioned JW’s conflicting statements about whether he picked S up, missing the murder by hours, or whether HMR had dropped S off to him. I had remembered seeing this in an article and it took me until now to find the right article. (I think it was your post 994 in the last thread)

According to this, JW picked up S the week prior to the murders. Chris Graves edited and added this to article on 6/12/2017. Originally published 10/15/2016.

Correction:*An earlier version of this article incorrectly reported when Hanna Rhoden's daughter went to stay with her father, Jake Wagner. Rhoden dropped her daughter off on Friday, April 15, 2016

https://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/2016/10/15/pike-county-death-foothills/91496698/

Link shared to show the update made on the article. This is not a new article.

 

[rsd1200]

RSD, I had to dig to find this because I couldn’t remember where I had saw it but in the last thread you had mentioned JW’s conflicting statements about whether he picked S up, missing the murder by hours, or whether HMR had dropped S off to him. I had remembered seeing this in an article and it took me until now to find the right article. (I think it was your post 994 in the last thread)

According to this, JW picked up S the week prior to the murders. Chris Graves edited and added this to article on 6/12/2017. Originally published 10/15/2016.



https://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/2016/10/15/pike-county-death-foothills/91496698/

Link shared to show the update made on the article. This is not a new article.

Thank you! I have to trust Chris Graves, if she said she erred, and corrected.

 

[Becky Starkey]

RSD, I had to dig to find this because I couldn’t remember where I had saw it but in the last thread you had mentioned JW’s conflicting statements about whether he picked S up, missing the murder by hours, or whether HMR had dropped S off to him. I had remembered seeing this in an article and it took me until now to find the right article. (I think it was your post 994 in the last thread.
According to this, JW picked up S the week prior to the murders. Chris Graves edited and added this to article on 6/12/2017. Originally published 10/15/2016.



https://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/2016/10/15/pike-county-death-foothills/91496698/

Link shared to show the update made on the article. This is not a new article.

That's interesting because I remember JW on video saying he picked up SW at 10:30 pm the night of the murders. I recall him saying something to the effect of "we must have missed it by hours". Huge conflicting statement there. I find it even more interesting how much supposedly happened at 10:30 pm that night before. BR getting dropped off by his mother, the girl changing her mind about staying with HMR because her boyfriend had a toothache. Has that boyfriend been checked for a bad tooth or a dentist visit at the time period?

 

[Becky Starkey]

Does anyone recall at what time they called off the lockdown on the schools? Had the cops finally found Chris Jr. at that point or nah? I've found it quite curious since that very day why the lockdown on the schools was lifted at the time it was. Seems it was quite early. KR certainly hadn't been found yet. Seems to me the cops knew right away who did this and why. They seemed so sure no one else was danger. And reiterated that time and again. I don't know if this is connected in any way to the Eapmon murders, but it certainly has lots of similarities that I can't ever get out of my head, such as the children not harmed. In that case, the neighbor across the street had at least one security camera that didn't catch anything out of the ordinary. So that tells me the murderers came in the back. I feel that perhaps the murderers came in the back at at least a few of the Rhoden locations. According to police in the Eapmon case, the murderers were looking for something, which they found. I feel like the Rhoden murders were at least in large part, either a general robbery or they were looking for something specific. Especially, with the knowledge that there was a safe at CR1's trailer. This case just drives me crazy, there is so much weird stuff. And maybe the two cases aren't related, but the m-o is quite similar.