OH - Pike County: 8 people from one family dead as police hunt for killer(s) #32

[MittenScarpetta]

They weren't interested in taking the scenic route through Canada. It was all about the destination, not the trip.

What route would they have taken?

 

[rsd1200]

What route would they have taken?

If I were going, and because I've never been, I'd get off the beaten path. It would be about the trip, as much as the destination. We call it taking the scenic route. Stop and take pictures along the way, find local restaurants to have our meals, and stay at a b&b if we find someplace we want to hang out at for a day or two. They weren't interested in the scenic route. They were just interested in the destination.

 

[MittenScarpetta]

If I were going, and because I've never been, I'd get off the beaten path. It would be about the trip, as much as the destination. We call it taking the scenic route. Stop and take pictures along the way, find local restaurants to have our meals, and stay at a b&b if we find someplace we want to hang out at for a day or two. They weren't interested in the scenic route. They were just interested in the destination.

Scenic routes are the BEST routes on any trip. The W’s sure missed out then.

 

[rsd1200]

Scenic routes are the BEST routes on any trip. The W’s sure missed out then.

Agree! I don't like to travel by plane either, unless it's just necessary. I want to see everything, breathe the air, stop at the local hole-in-the-wall. Maybe they did, but they seemed to get up there pretty quick.

 

[amauet1]

Agree! I don't like to travel by plane either, unless it's just necessary. I want to see everything, breathe the air, stop at the local hole-in-the-wall. Maybe they did, but they seemed to get up there pretty quick.

There were enough of them to share the driving.

 

[amauet1]

Did anyone every find out how much the W boys got for their property on Peterson Rd? I went through US Land Records and found out that when they went to sell the land, there was a mechanics lien on it from no payment to Gary Roland for the work done of the property(labor and construction) and I'm going to assume it was the new barn/stables. The lien date is December 16, 2016, and sum owed was 5,925.00. But there was a Satisfaction of Mortage through First State Bank and after paying the contractor and 75,000.00 owed on the property, the property was released on March 16,2017. Maybe this explains why they didn't move to Alaska until that time.

 

[MittenScarpetta]

Did anyone every find out how much the W boys got for their property on Peterson Rd? I went through US Land Records and found out that when they went to sell the land, there was a mechanics lien on it from no payment to Gary Roland for the work done of the property(labor and construction) and I'm going to assume it was the new barn/stables. The lien date is December 16, 2016, and sum owed was 5,925.00. But there was a Satisfaction of Mortage through First State Bank and after paying the contractor and 75,000.00 owed on the property, the property was released on March 16,2017. Maybe this explains why they didn't move to Alaska until that time.

https://www.redfin.com/OH/Peebles/260-Peterson-Rd-45660/home/78937969

Go down to “property history”. There’s a lot of transactions. I have no idea what they are. I believe it sold for $165,000 on 3/10/17.

 

[Hatfield]

Did anyone every find out how much the W boys got for their property on Peterson Rd? I went through US Land Records and found out that when they went to sell the land, there was a mechanics lien on it from no payment to Gary Roland for the work done of the property(labor and construction) and I'm going to assume it was the new barn/stables. The lien date is December 16, 2016, and sum owed was 5,925.00. But there was a Satisfaction of Mortage through First State Bank and after paying the contractor and 75,000.00 owed on the property, the property was released on March 16,2017. Maybe this explains why they didn't move to Alaska until that time.

Interesting about the lien for 5,925.00

Wonder if that owed amount had anything to do with the murders. Someone either being forced to pay it or maybe someone not getting paid back for amounts they had to pay to get the property sold.

 

[rsd1200]

Did anyone every find out how much the W boys got for their property on Peterson Rd? I went through US Land Records and found out that when they went to sell the land, there was a mechanics lien on it from no payment to Gary Roland for the work done of the property(labor and construction) and I'm going to assume it was the new barn/stables. The lien date is December 16, 2016, and sum owed was 5,925.00. But there was a Satisfaction of Mortage through First State Bank and after paying the contractor and 75,000.00 owed on the property, the property was released on March 16,2017. Maybe this explains why they didn't move to Alaska until that time.

If I remember correctly, there was talk, that they had the farm sold, at one point, then it fell through. This is probably why, then, a sale to the folks who own it now, was finalized in March of last year. It may be the same folks, they just had to stop things, and come up with funds to pay the lien, which, again, makes me think that they were not rollin' in the dough. Saying the sale fell through, saves face, though.

 

[MittenScarpetta]

If I remember correctly, there was talk, that they had the farm sold, at one point, then it fell through. This is probably why, then, a sale to the folks who own it now, was finalized in March of last year. It may be the same folks, they just had to stop things, and come up with funds to pay the lien, which, again, makes me think that they were not rollin' in the dough. Saying the sale fell through, saves face, though.

From what I can tell, they first listed it for sale in August after the murders. It stayed on the market over a year w/a few price drops.

Also interesting-per Zillow the original asking price was $270k.

What I can’t figure out is, if it sold for $165k or $200k. The site I shared above lists selling price at $165k. Zillow has the selling price listed at $200k.

In either instance, they took significant less than original asking price. Also, I saw AW try to brush the move under the rug by saying they didn’t move for over a year, BUT again there more words of the W’s that don’t add up. They didn’t move because the farm didn’t sell. Had it sold sooner, I’d go all in on a game of blackjack (and not worry about a poker face) and bet they’d have moved sooner. JMO

 

[rsd1200]

From what I can tell, they first listed it for sale in August after the murders. It stayed on the market over a year w/a few price drops.

Also interesting-per Zillow the original asking price was $270k.

What I can’t figure out is, if it sold for $165k or $200k. The site I shared above lists selling price at $165k. Zillow has the selling price listed at $200k.

In either instance, they took significant less than original asking price. Also, I saw AW try to brush the move under the rug by saying they didn’t move for over a year, BUT again there more words of the W’s that don’t add up. They didn’t move because the farm didn’t sell. Had it sold sooner, I’d go all in on a game of blackjack (and not worry about a poker face) and bet they’d have moved sooner. JMO

County records show $165k , but there's two lots. The lot with the home was 71ish acres, and the lot across from it with the new barn, totals around 13ish acres.

On March 17, 2017, the only amount showing, is $165k, from the new owners to the boys, and then, the new owners split that 13 acres off, and it appears as a sale for $35k from owner to owner to put into a survivorship deed, and they transferred the 71 acres to each other as a survivorship deed. This all happened on the same day. Both transactions, but the new owners' transfers,were not valid sales. They just re-did the deed, or so it appears, but I am not familiar with deeds and IANARealtor, so this is only my guess from puzzling it over.

 

[MittenScarpetta]

County records show $165k , but there's two lots. The lot with the home was 71ish acres, and the lot across from it with the new barn, totals around 13ish acres.

On March 17, 2017, the only amount showing, is $165k, from the new owners to the boys, and then, the new owners split that 13 acres off, and it appears as a sale for $35k from owner to owner to put into a survivorship deed, and they transferred the 71 acres to each other as a survivorship deed. This all happened on the same day. Both transactions, but the new owners' transfers,were not valid sales. They just re-did the deed, or so it appears, but I am not familiar with deeds and IANARealtor, so this is only my guess from puzzling it over.

I’d like to say I’m surprised. LOL. But I’m not. I noticed the $35k earlier and wondered about the land actually being 2 parcels. The pics within the first link I shared sparked my interest as well. Some were screen shots from an iPhone camera roll and showed other pics at the bottom. I’m currently working on that.

 

[rsd1200]

I’d like to say I’m surprised. LOL. But I’m not. I noticed the $35k earlier and wondered about the land actually being 2 parcels. The pics within the first link I shared sparked my interest as well. Some were screen shots from an iPhone camera roll and showed other pics at the bottom. I’m currently working on that.

But it can appear to be that they, the boys, received 200k, rather than $165k, is what I'm seeing. Again, this deed stuff is not my favorite stuff to research, so I may be seeing this all wrong.

 

[MittenScarpetta]

But it can appear to be that they, the boys, received 200k, rather than $165k, is what I'm seeing. Again, this deed stuff is not my favorite stuff to research, so I may be seeing this all wrong.

That’s what I’m seeing as well. But I don’t understand how a parcel of land can be divided like that. I don’t know the legalities behind it, but I do know in order to split a lot into two parcels, paperwork has to be filed. And then there would be two Laredo #s and a 2nd address(typically) on the divided lot. So a) the parcel split was done at the closing of the sale which I highly doubt. Or b) the boys split the parcel sometime between their purchase and the sale. But there’s no records for that, as far as I can tell, so I don’t know what’s going on there...

Also O/T a tad but since mentioned earlier, the deed filed by the new owners is a smart move because it’s a deed that automatically transfers full ownership to the other in the event one of them passes away. It’s really just a smart way to avoid red tape in the event of a spouse dying.

 

[rsd1200]

That’s what I’m seeing as well. But I don’t understand how a parcel of land can be divided like that. I don’t know the legalities behind it, but I do know in order to split a lot into two parcels, paperwork has to be filed. And then there would be two Laredo #s and a 2nd address(typically) on the divided lot. So a) the parcel split was done at the closing of the sale which I highly doubt. Or b) the boys split the parcel sometime between their purchase and the sale. But there’s no records for that, as far as I can tell, so I don’t know what’s going on there...

Also O/T a tad but since mentioned earlier, the deed filed by the new owners is a smart move because it’s a deed that automatically transfers full ownership to the other in the event one of them passes away. It’s really just a smart way to avoid red tape in the event of a spouse dying.

I think, I saw something about, that they had it listed as one parcel, the 71 acres, with the other parcel listed separate, with an option to purchase both, at a better price.

 

[amauet1]

I think, I saw something about, that they had it listed as one parcel, the 71 acres, with the other parcel listed separate, with an option to purchase both, at a better price.

Ok, in my notes it (the Land) was listed in 2 parcels. Parcel #1= 58.1321 acres in Oliver Twp, Adams Co. Parcel #2 = 13.4273 acres in Oliver Twp, Adams Co. When I went looking for the elder Wags land, all I could get to was the land they owned in Pike Co. When you look at the first page of US Land Records, everything is in the Elder George's name. When you open the documents, it appears that some of the lands have been put in a trust. I also noticed that the Elder gentleman Rsd was referring to has his land listed in a trust Sk** Mont*****. What is the advantage of doing that? So that the other person/s automaticially inherit's the land without having to go through probate? Those avoiding estate taxes?

 

[rsd1200]

Ok, in my notes it (the Land) was listed in 2 parcels. Parcel #1= 58.1321 acres in Oliver Twp, Adams Co. Parcel #2 = 13.4273 acres in Oliver Twp, Adams Co. When I went looking for the elder Wags land, all I could get to was the land they owned in Pike Co. When you look at the first page of US Land Records, everything is in the Elder George's name. When you open the documents, it appears that some of the lands have been put in a trust. I also noticed that the Elder gentleman Rsd was referring to has his land listed in a trust Sk** Mont*****. What is the advantage of doing that? So that the other person/s automaticially inherit's the land without having to go through probate? Those avoiding estate taxes?

I don't want to explain this incorrectly, here is an example, scroll down to around page five, and start reading.

Pros and Cons of Land Trusts
https://andersonadvisors.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/Pros-and-Cons-of-Land-Trust.pdf

 

[MittenScarpetta]

I don't want to explain this incorrectly, here is an example, scroll down to around page five, and start reading.

Pros and Cons of Land Trusts
https://andersonadvisors.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/Pros-and-Cons-of-Land-Trust.pdf

Wow!!

 

[rsd1200]

The thing with the two parcels of land, being sold together, as 71, then split back to two, probably wasn't a big deal. That property, at one time, may have been "whole", and the road was access to whoever owned it at that time. In looking back, 20 years ago, there were only four folks on that road. While it's not entirely the same thing, we have folks, oh, gosh, before I can remember, who bought land off of other land owners, back behind us. The only way they could get to their property was to go through ours. It's a dead end road, and the little road, is on our property, but, they can't be landlocked, so they have an easement through ours.

Also, back before I was ever even born, the state came through, and instead of going around our end portion of the farm, and taking some folks homes, they went through it, and nipped off the end of our farm. The large majority is on one side, and a tiny portion is on the other side of the road. So when I go get the mail, and cross the highway, I'm standing on, what used to be our land... It's pretty common here, I know some folks around here, have asked the county to bring their little right-of-way/access roads into the fold, as upkeep can be hard.

So, now that I've made that as clear as mud, maybe, Peterson, many years ago, may have been one of those little roads, and they asked to the state to bring it into the fold, but, the road split the farms, and at some point, someone sold that little `13 acre portion to the Ws or someone long before them, so, in essence, it was ONE place. I apologize, if this makes no sense at all. I'm just going by what I've seen around here, not by any realtor knowledge whatsoever. :happydance:

 

[RAISINISBACK]

From what I can tell, they first listed it for sale in August after the murders. It stayed on the market over a year w/a few price drops.

Also interesting-per Zillow the original asking price was $270k.

What I can’t figure out is, if it sold for $165k or $200k. The site I shared above lists selling price at $165k. Zillow has the selling price listed at $200k.

In either instance, they took significant less than original asking price. Also, I saw AW try to brush the move under the rug by saying they didn’t move for over a year, BUT again there more words of the W’s that don’t add up. They didn’t move because the farm didn’t sell. Had it sold sooner, I’d go all in on a game of blackjack (and not worry about a poker face) and bet they’d have moved sooner. JMO

If that land is in a trust there is the possibility that little SW could stand to inherit more land than that from her mothers side of the family.

JMO