OH - Pike County: 8 People From One Family Dead As Police Hunt For Killer(s) #34 *Arrests*

[Knuckles]

High. Talking about the case in great but NG has to read alot more because three quarters of what she said was wrong but you all.know that iv listened to her on other cases and she was 100 percent wrong a few times and called out for it but she can investigate for sure and have more access to more than us so come on NG show us how its done! Also bruising caused after death i dont see how but pooling is sometimes mistaken for bruising by people who witness bodies at death scenes i agree with others that some were alive. release the toxicology reports and lets move on with this investigation we are all here to help le! it seems le needs it. Thanks

 

[MittenScarpetta]

I don't remember reading this either but I don't believe it even if it was written on the autopsy reports. Any person who is shot while in their bed may appear to have been asleep but I think that is all that can be reliably said; "it appears they were asleep."
Personally, I think CSr, GR, DR and CJr were not asleep when they were killed.

I agree. I believe those 4 were awake as well.

 

[Knuckles]

I do recall the unredacted preliminary autopsy reports do mention that all the victims besides CR1 were killed in their sleep.

High. Interesting do you have the report for this? i thought i read every report i must have missed a report saying all but one were asleep when shot tks.
Jmo iv thought of the family being drugged and "out of it" when all this took place then the killers would have no worries moving about but k's death kinda throws that out or does it.
jmo of coarse the one thing to me that eleminates a custody type w's killing motive is k's death one shot away from the major crime scene(s) it just doesnt add up. but if its a robbery then its perfect reasoning because the robbers were in it together all are killers but a different killer(s) imo killed k it wasnt overkill it was fast.
Jmo i think it started there for info and product cash and more important (keys) jmo k had keys to a few places he probably gave up all thinking he wouldnt be killed but the killers already set in motion to murder everybody the others were waiting on uhr for these (2) to return to start the ambush jmo all this took place in less than 20 minutes fast but effective they got in went straight to were it all was killed any (grown up)no witns and left fast.
Jmo iv thought of the people who could have, then those who would have killed so many in such a short time think about it. They were going to kill anybody in the way that night period and with so much traffic the (((neighbors))) wouldnt even look twice out the windows.
But i admit le lazer focus on the w's at first i was like good they got them then i stepped back and looked at the facts (we have) its not them per say but definitly could be someone they know and trust with their own freedom and lives. Thanks everybody until we have more from le il step back and enjoy reading all of your theories. Other cases im looking at also.

 

[Betty P]

High. Interesting do you have the report for this? i thought i read every report i must have missed a report saying all but one were asleep when shot tks.
Jmo iv thought of the family being drugged and "out of it" when all this took place then the killers would have no worries moving about but k's death kinda throws that out or does it.
jmo of coarse the one thing to me that eleminates a custody type w's killing motive is k's death one shot away from the major crime scene(s) it just doesnt add up. but if its a robbery then its perfect reasoning because the robbers were in it together all are killers but a different killer(s) imo killed k it wasnt overkill it was fast.
Jmo i think it started there for info and product cash and more important (keys) jmo k had keys to a few places he probably gave up all thinking he wouldnt be killed but the killers already set in motion to murder everybody the others were waiting on uhr for these (2) to return to start the ambush jmo all this took place in less than 20 minutes fast but effective they got in went straight to were it all was killed any (grown up)no witns and left fast.
Jmo iv thought of the people who could have, then those who would have killed so many in such a short time think about it. They were going to kill anybody in the way that night period and with so much traffic the (((neighbors))) wouldnt even look twice out the windows.
But i admit le lazer focus on the w's at first i was like good they got them then i stepped back and looked at the facts (we have) its not them per say but definitly could be someone they know and trust with their own freedom and lives. Thanks everybody until we have more from le il step back and enjoy reading all of your theories. Other cases im looking at also.

Suggest you look at the preliminary autopsy reports at the link in the Media and Timelines thread for the Rhoden Murders.

 

[Jasper52]

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[Sunshine99]

Here is a link from September 2018 that involves the release of more information about this case!: Court allows reporters to inspect Rhoden family autopsies

 

[Betty P]

Here is one of the articles that states authorities said the victims were shot in their sleep, with the exception of CR1

Pike County massacre: Rhoden family members shot in head at point-blank range, report shows

• Although officials had said all the victims were shot in their sleep, the way his head was tilted indicates that Christopher Rhoden Sr. was shot through a door. He also may have been shot first as his body was the most decomposed when it was discovered by the coroner's office.
• Larger caliber bullets were used to kill 37-year-old Gary Rhoden.
• Kenneth Rhoden was shot in his right eye only.

The number of gunshot wounds per victims, according to the reports:

• Christopher Rhoden, Sr. (age 40): Nine (face, torso, extremities).
• Dana Rhoden (age 37): Five (head).
• Hannah Gilley (age 20): Five (head)
• Christopher Rhoden, Jr. (age 16): Four (head).
• Clarence “Frankie” Rhoden (age 20): Three (head). Two were “contact wounds” as indicated by soot from the gun on his skull.
• Gary Rhoden (age 37): Three “contact” wounds (head).
• Hanna Rhoden (19): Two (head).
• Kenneth Rhoden (age 44): One (right eye).

 

[Dudly]

Here is one of the articles that states authorities said the victims were shot in their sleep, with the exception of CR1

Pike County massacre: Rhoden family members shot in head at point-blank range, report shows

• Although officials had said all the victims were shot in their sleep, the way his head was tilted indicates that Christopher Rhoden Sr. was shot through a door. He also may have been shot first as his body was the most decomposed when it was discovered by the coroner's office.
• Larger caliber bullets were used to kill 37-year-old Gary Rhoden.
• Kenneth Rhoden was shot in his right eye only.

The number of gunshot wounds per victims, according to the reports:

• Christopher Rhoden, Sr. (age 40): Nine (face, torso, extremities).
• Dana Rhoden (age 37): Five (head).
• Hannah Gilley (age 20): Five (head)
• Christopher Rhoden, Jr. (age 16): Four (head).
• Clarence “Frankie” Rhoden (age 20): Three (head). Two were “contact wounds” as indicated by soot from the gun on his skull.
• Gary Rhoden (age 37): Three “contact” wounds (head).
• Hanna Rhoden (19): Two (head).
• Kenneth Rhoden (age 44): One (right eye).

The "officials had said" makes you wonder if they had changed their mind. If that IS the case, where did the rumor come from that JM saw DR's feet and heard the baby crying and backed out of the house?

 

[rsd1200]

The "officials had said" makes you wonder if they had changed their mind. If that IS the case, where did the rumor come from that JM saw DR's feet and heard the baby crying and backed out of the house?

BBM
This part was actually stated by AM in an interview. I've never seen the part about her legs, anywhere in print, other than unsubstantiated remarks. I've searched too. I wish we could produce a link. It would place her awake or asleep. I have seen the last FB Posts she made, at 12:54 and 12:58 a.m. on 4/22. Ben Goldschmidt, of the Cinci Enquirer has a timeline on Scribd, and he shows HMR as sending a last text message, at 12:40 a.m. He states that JM discovered DR, and investigators later discover the bodies of HMR and CR2. That's as close as I've seen to anything about him "seeing" DR.


Here's his link;

Timeline of the Pike County killings | Killings | Murder

 

[almond]

BBM
This part was actually stated by AM in an interview. I've never seen the part about her legs, anywhere in print, other than unsubstantiated remarks. I've searched too. I wish we could produce a link. It would place her awake or asleep. I have seen the last FB Posts she made, at 12:54 and 12:58 a.m. on 4/22. Ben Goldschmidt, of the Cinci Enquirer has a timeline on Scribd, and he shows HMR as sending a last text message, at 12:40 a.m. He states that JM discovered DR, and investigators later discover the bodies of HMR and CR2. That's as close as I've seen to anything about him "seeing" DR.


Here's his link;

Timeline of the Pike County killings | Killings | Murder

Does anyone know why it took two days to find the commercial grow op?

 

[rsd1200]

Does anyone know why it took two days to find the commercial grow op?

I don't think it took two days, I think it just took two days to release their find to the media. I think they released that, b/c they knew that DS was going to give it away in his interviews.

 

[Betty P]

BBM
This part was actually stated by AM in an interview. I've never seen the part about her legs, anywhere in print, other than unsubstantiated remarks. I've searched too. I wish we could produce a link. It would place her awake or asleep. I have seen the last FB Posts she made, at 12:54 and 12:58 a.m. on 4/22. Ben Goldschmidt, of the Cinci Enquirer has a timeline on Scribd, and he shows HMR as sending a last text message, at 12:40 a.m. He states that JM discovered DR, and investigators later discover the bodies of HMR and CR2. That's as close as I've seen to anything about him "seeing" DR.


Here's his link;

Timeline of the Pike County killings | Killings | Murder

Thanks for that link. I'll add a couple of items to our timeline about last social media contacts. We hadn't seen some of that information in the news media before. No, I don't believe the gossip about JM seeing Dina's legs, etc. So many false rumors have been circulated about this case. There are probably some people out there trying to frame JM with false information. Not the first or last time that's happened in a murder case and we really shouldn't repeat that kind of stuff here.

I was recently reading the follow up information coming out on the Jacob Wetterling abduction and murder. The LE files on his case were recently released to the news media and it sadly reveals a lot of mistakes. For years, the Wetterling's neighbor, Dan Rassier, was falsely accused of the kidnapping. Pretty much ruined the guy's life and reputation. The harm that rumormongers do is tragic and irreparable. It hinders the ability of LE to find the killers. If we want to see justice for the Rhodens and Hannah Gilley, we need to avoid those rumors like the plague.

Rassier To File Suit Seeking $2M In Damages From Wetterling Investigators

 

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BBM
This part was actually stated by AM in an interview. I've never seen the part about her legs, anywhere in print, other than unsubstantiated remarks. I've searched too. I wish we could produce a link. It would place her awake or asleep. I have seen the last FB Posts she made, at 12:54 and 12:58 a.m. on 4/22. Ben Goldschmidt, of the Cinci Enquirer has a timeline on Scribd, and he shows HMR as sending a last text message, at 12:40 a.m. He states that JM discovered DR, and investigators later discover the bodies of HMR and CR2. That's as close as I've seen to anything about him "seeing" DR.


Here's his link;

Timeline of the Pike County killings | Killings | Murder

he shows HMR as sending a last text message, at 12:40 a.m.

This would imply that not only was DR awake but also HR. I think we have always assumed both HR and CR2 were asleep.

Who was HR texting?

 

[MittenScarpetta]

he shows HMR as sending a last text message, at 12:40 a.m.

This would imply that not only was DR awake but also HR. I think we have always assumed both HR and CR2 were asleep.

Who was HR texting?

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[Dudly]

BBM
This part was actually stated by AM in an interview. I've never seen the part about her legs, anywhere in print, other than unsubstantiated remarks. I've searched too. I wish we could produce a link. It would place her awake or asleep. I have seen the last FB Posts she made, at 12:54 and 12:58 a.m. on 4/22. Ben Goldschmidt, of the Cinci Enquirer has a timeline on Scribd, and he shows HMR as sending a last text message, at 12:40 a.m. He states that JM discovered DR, and investigators later discover the bodies of HMR and CR2. That's as close as I've seen to anything about him "seeing" DR.


Here's his link;

Timeline of the Pike County killings | Killings | Murder

Thanks...

 

[rsd1200]

he shows HMR as sending a last text message, at 12:40 a.m.

This would imply that not only was DR awake but also HR. I think we have always assumed both HR and CR2 were asleep.

Who was HR texting?

ubbM
Wouldn't we love to know. However, knowing how my kids and grandkids are, she could've texted her Mom to bring her something, or just to ask her a question. No telling at this point. We know the murders had to occur after DR's last FB post, but HMR could've dozed off by then, too.

 

[Betty P]

he shows HMR as sending a last text message, at 12:40 a.m.

This would imply that not only was DR awake but also HR. I think we have always assumed both HR and CR2 were asleep.

Who was HR texting?

Keep in mind, it only shows them awake at 12:40 a.m. We've guessed that the murders likely occurred as late as 3 or 4 a.m., so that doesn't mean they were awake at the time of the murders. In fact, LE has said it looked as though most of them were asleep, due to the gunshot wounds at very close range, some in contact with the victims. With CR2, I'v always assumed he awoke to the sound of the gunshots and tried to hide, poor child.

But, JMO, it doesn't look like any of the victims (other than CR1) were awake and active, talking to the killers, etc. when they were shot. That may run counter to some people's theories of the victims being involved in the murders or of victims sitting around partying with friends when the murders happened. It just doesn't appear to be the case.

If a group of well armed killers came into DR's or KR's house and were sitting around shooting the breeze and having a beer, they wouldn't have told the victims to go get dressed in their nightclothes and get covered up in bed before they killed them. They would have just killed them where they were sitting or standing. Remember, it was mid-April when these murders took place. Temperature at around 3 am that night was about 56 degrees. The victims would have been under blankets, etc. that night. Assume that's the way LE found them to conclude so quickly that most were killed in their beds, asleep.

 

[rsd1200]

Keep in mind, it only shows them awake at 12:40 a.m. We've guessed that the murders likely occurred as late as 3 or 4 a.m., so that doesn't mean they were awake at the time of the murders. In fact, LE has said it looked as though most of them were asleep, due to the gunshot wounds at very close range, some in contact with the victims. With CR2, I'v always assumed he awoke to the sound of the gunshots and tried to hide, poor child.

But, JMO, it doesn't look like any of the victims (other than CR1) were awake and active, talking to the killers, etc. when they were shot. That may run counter to some people's theories of the victims being involved in the murders or of victims sitting around partying with friends when the murders happened. It just doesn't appear to be the case.

If a group of well armed killers came into DR's or KR's house and were sitting around shooting the breeze and having a beer, they wouldn't have told the victims to go get dressed in their nightclothes and get covered up in bed before they killed them. They would have just killed them where they were sitting or standing. Remember, it was mid-April when these murders took place. Temperature at around 3 am that night was about 56 degrees. The victims would have been under blankets, etc. that night. Assume that's the way LE found them to conclude so quickly that most were killed in their beds, asleep.

Agree. There will also be a significant amount of blood soaked into the linens, and mattresses and, not to be too graphic, but, blood spatter would be all around too, unless something was used to stop the latter from occurring (pillows for instance ?). We learned of the living room covered in blood at CR1's and DS states that there was blood all over, at KR's too, but, that was in a small area and bedroom space in KR's trailer. They had to be familiar with KR b/c those bedrooms are not all that large, and can be a bit tricky to maneuver around in.

 

[Betty P]

Agree. There will also be a significant amount of blood soaked into the linens, and mattresses and, not to be too graphic, but, blood spatter would be all around too, unless something was used to stop the latter from occurring (pillows for instance ?). We learned of the living room covered in blood at CR1's and DS states that there was blood all over, at KR's too, but, that was in a small area and bedroom space in KR's trailer. They had to be familiar with KR b/c those bedrooms are not all that large, and can be a bit tricky to maneuver around in.

Agree. The blood spatter and contact gs wounds on some would tell LE pretty clearly where the victims were killed and whether they had moved around beforehand. The information recently released about DR's gs wounds, including one under the chin, also indicate she may have been awakened briefly before being killed. Almost like the killer held the gun in that position to awaken her and say something to her before killing her.

If a pillow were held over DR's face before the shots to her head, it might be to control spatter, though I don't know why the killers would care about that. Could this also be an indication the gunman who shot her knew her personally? A way of hiding her face?

JMO, right now I lean more towards the use of a pillow to muffle sound. The killers knew they had 2 more victims to kill in the home and would be trying not to awaken them. They didn't want anyone to have time to grab a cell phone to dial 911 or grab a weapon. IDK if a pillow would do much to muffle the sound of gunshots, but maybe the killer thought so.

Ok, this video showed that it does muffle the sound of a gunshot, not completely but significantly

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[Betty P]

Here is a guy using a decibel meter in his tests. Various kinds of pillows do reduce the sound, but not by much.

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This makes me wonder if pillows were used in some of the other murders. Preventing blood splatter on the killer and silencing to prevent awakening others would be two possible reasons. Aside from CR1 and GR, the home of DR and the murders there may have presented the second biggest challenge for the killers - 3 people, all with cell phones nearby. It would be difficult to kill the victims there without at least 1 person awakening and attempting to hide, leave and/or call for help.

All speculation, JMO.