GUILTY OH - Steubenville Rape Case, 11 Aug 2012 #1

[Steely Dan]

Not takin' the dude with the modulated electronic voice and silly mask seriously...sorry

You should. With all due respect you're being judgmental without really researching the stuff.

http://www.theatlanticwire.com/national/2013/01/local-leaks-steubenville-files/60720/

Here's a quote from LocalLeaks Lawyer;... Leiderman, the LocalLeaks lawyer, while concerned, was also confident: "If they're going to sue 'em for defamation, good luck with it," he said....

Now read this link;

http://localleaks.blogs.ru/2013/01/01/steubenvillefiles/

 

[i.b.nora]

In the same article, the same attorney also says:

"LocalLeaks's editor said that "For a particular fact to be determined to be true, it requires that enough material be leaked on it for us to be able to say with relative assurance that it is true."

The editor says he does not "spend a lot of time worrying about what the consequences of that revelation will be." But his lawyer does. "Oh my gosh, does this make me nervous," attorney Jay Leiderman told The Atlantic Wire in a phone interview. "This is a new frontier that we're seeing here — we've seen what happened with WikiLeaks." Leiderman added that LocalLeaks has informed him they are actually "holding back on some stuff until they verify it one way or another. The crew is working 24/7 to get things right." LocalLeaks has entered the uncharted waters while handling tips that involve minors accused of major crimes and even more information that group has yet to reveal as its fact-checkers gather more "evidence" for verification."

 

[Steely Dan]

In the same article, the same attorney also says:

"LocalLeaks's editor said that "For a particular fact to be determined to be true, it requires that enough material be leaked on it for us to be able to say with relative assurance that it is true."

The editor says he does not "spend a lot of time worrying about what the consequences of that revelation will be." But his lawyer does. "Oh my gosh, does this make me nervous," attorney Jay Leiderman told The Atlantic Wire in a phone interview. "This is a new frontier that we're seeing here — we've seen what happened with WikiLeaks." Leiderman added that LocalLeaks has informed him they are actually "holding back on some stuff until they verify it one way or another. The crew is working 24/7 to get things right." LocalLeaks has entered the uncharted waters while handling tips that involve minors accused of major crimes and even more information that group has yet to reveal as its fact-checkers gather more "evidence" for verification."

I think he's worried because of what happened to Wikileaks. As he said this is a new frontier. I guess we'll find out if it's accurate or not when lawsuits are or are not filed. I believe them, and it's your right not to believe them.

The part about holding back on some stuff means, to me, that they are being extremely thorough before they publish stuff. That makes me even more convinced they aren't doing shoddy work. JMO

 

[Steely Dan]

BTW, one group that calls itself Anonymous has done a great job of annoying the hades out of scientology. :rocker:

 

[AbbeyR]

When the family of the victim went to file the charges, Jane Hanlin was present. She strongly discouraged them from filing. Hanlin frightened not only the victim, but the parents as well. Telling them that her name was going to be dragged through the mud, she will be in and out of court for well over two years, the press wouldn’t leave any of the family alone once the crime was made public. Scared out of their wits, the parents said they didn’t want that and Hanlin then said not to worry just leave it up to her and the detectives on the case.

If this is true and Jane Hanlin tried to discourage the victim from filing charges, she will lose any and all credibility, IMO. The issue isn't how long it took for her to recuse herself but what she actually did prior to recusing herself. She could have stepped back on day one -- it's not difficult to do.

She also said she cannot comment on the case, yet it doesn't appear to be stopping her from commenting on Facebook to defend her son. The lack of professionalism boggles the mind.

These people should have been acting with the best interest of the victim. That's their job.

 

[Steely Dan]

If this is true and Jane Hanlin tried to discourage the victim from filing charges, she will lose any and all credibility, IMO. The issue isn't how long it took for her to recuse herself but what she actually did prior to recusing herself. She could have stepped back on day one -- it's not difficult to do.

She also said she cannot comment on the case, yet it doesn't appear to be stopping her from commenting on Facebook to defend her son. The lack of professionalism boggles the mind.

These people should have been acting with the best interest of the victim. That's their job.

Somebody posted a list of facts above. IIRC, she was supposed to quit working with the school board when she became a judge, but just ignored the law and stayed on the board anyway.

 

[Steely Dan]

Good night folks, I enjoy hearing all perspectives, but I'm fftobed:

 

[Karmady]

You should. With all due respect you're being judgmental without really researching the stuff.

http://www.theatlanticwire.com/national/2013/01/local-leaks-steubenville-files/60720/

Here's a quote from LocalLeaks Lawyer;... Leiderman, the LocalLeaks lawyer, while concerned, was also confident: "If they're going to sue 'em for defamation, good luck with it," he said....

Now read this link;

http://localleaks.blogs.ru/2013/01/01/steubenvillefiles/

Call me crazy, but I don't think the term judgmental applies to anonymized electronic voices behind weird masks.

 

[AbbeyR]

Call me crazy, but I don't think the term judgmental applies to anonymized electronic voices behind weird masks.

There's no one to judge, that's the point. Judge the information.

 

[Karmady]

There's no one to judge, that's the point. Judge the information.

Fair enough. I judge information that comes from an anonymous electronic voice behind a weird mask as spam.

 

[i.b.nora]

This website has a copy of the court transcript of Jane Hanlin being a character witness for Busick:

http://behindtheyellowtape.me/2012/10/27/jane-hanlins-busick-testimony/#

Its at the very bottom of the page.

 

[AbbeyR]

Fair enough. I judge information that comes from an anonymous electronic voice behind a weird mask as spam.

Fair enough. It is spam, by definition. (As is any message sent out to a bunch of random people on the internet).

Or, it was spam. Now it's news

 

[Cajun Girl]

I cannot help but wonder where this case would be were it not for the 'spam'? If the boys accused are protected by law due to their age, why is anonymity for people unearthing unpopular/buried information frowned upon?

If you were the victim's parents seeking the truth, not to mention justice for your underaged child in a small community governed by the Good Old Boy Network, am thinking you would welcome information from a talking tree...

 

[movielover]

Fair enough. It is spam, by definition. (As is any message sent out to a bunch of random people on the internet).

Or, it was spam. Now it's news

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I judge information based on many things: the source, the tone, the facts cited, the way a logical argument is constructed, whether the writer appears to have an axe to grind, or is being forthcoming, whether a writer can retract an incorrect statement, etc.

Further, this is a highly unusual case where small-town local politicians tried to bury a 16 yo girl and her family. I've read a lot, but haven't chronicled it... but if I recall correctly, for example, Jane Harlin was the prosecuting attorney with huge axes to grind; her hubby was / is an investigator for the SPD; and their son is on the football team! On top of that, while she portrays herself as some moral vicar with brass balls and a sterling, unblemished 100% conviction rate, she also testified for a SHS football player in an adjoining county as a character witness (while still being paid in her county on her little sojourn), as well as for a SHS football player in her district.

It just smells to high h*ll of cronyism. This is just one example.

So, does the masked man / woman bother me, considering how many public officals and even servants (teachers, coaches, etc.) tried to bury this story? Not really. Because w/out Anonymous, maybe 2 kids might have gotten a slap on the wrist. Now, at least there is some chance for parity and justice.

 

[believe09]

In the same article, the same attorney also says:

"LocalLeaks's editor said that "For a particular fact to be determined to be true, it requires that enough material be leaked on it for us to be able to say with relative assurance that it is true."

The editor says he does not "spend a lot of time worrying about what the consequences of that revelation will be." But his lawyer does. "Oh my gosh, does this make me nervous," attorney Jay Leiderman told The Atlantic Wire in a phone interview. "This is a new frontier that we're seeing here — we've seen what happened with WikiLeaks." Leiderman added that LocalLeaks has informed him they are actually "holding back on some stuff until they verify it one way or another. The crew is working 24/7 to get things right." LocalLeaks has entered the uncharted waters while handling tips that involve minors accused of major crimes and even more information that group has yet to reveal as its fact-checkers gather more "evidence" for verification."

Marked in red by me. We saw this "bait" early on and I will be interested to see what materializes.

I hope any tips turned into to them will have been forwarded to LE prior to disclosure...

 

[Steely Dan]

Fair enough. I judge information that comes from an anonymous electronic voice behind a weird mask as spam.

Anonymous uses the Guy Fawkes masks because they take on people who have vengeance personalities.

The first time, I know of, that they used the Guy Fawkes masks was in their scientology protests. scientology is known for going ruthlessly against people they perceive as a suppressive person. (scientology speak for enemy)

When watching Dateline or 48 Hours or other such programs and they show people who are in a darkened room with their voices altered are silly or liars? It's almost the exact same thing. It's done for the exact same reasons.

IMO, spam is email that's unwanted and is trying to sell you something. Anonymous isn't sending out any unwanted emails they are bringing corruption to the surface. JMO

I hope I don't sound harsh, but I really admire what they're doing. This girl's case would have been completely glossed over, and the Rape Crew would still be going if it wasn't for them. JMO

 

[Foxfire]

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I judge information based on many things: the source, the tone, the facts cited, the way a logical argument is constructed, whether the writer appears to have an axe to grind, or is being forthcoming, whether a writer can retract an incorrect statement, etc.

Further, this is a highly unusual case where small-town local politicians tried to bury a 16 yo girl and her family. I've read a lot, but haven't chronicled it... but if I recall correctly, for example, Jane Harlin was the prosecuting attorney with huge axes to grind; her hubby was / is an investigator for the SPD; and their son is on the football team! On top of that, while she portrays herself as some moral vicar with brass balls and a sterling, unblemished 100% conviction rate, she also testified for a SHS football player in an adjoining county as a character witness (while still being paid in her county on her little sojourn), as well as for a SHS football player in her district.

It just smells to high h*ll of cronyism. This is just one example.

So, does the masked man / woman bother me, considering how many public officals and even servants (teachers, coaches, etc.) tried to bury this story? Not really. Because w/out Anonymous, maybe 2 kids might have gotten a slap on the wrist. Now, at least there is some chance for parity and justice.

Actually, I luv the creativity of the masks. May even order one myself.. Where was the ms media for over four months? They were not hiding behind masks, but were hiding under their desks, due to the fear of intimidation, imo.
The perceived corruption in the Steubenville, Ohio Justice system is analogous to that of the Bolingbrook, IL PD, that allowed Drew Peterson to prey on innocent victims for decades, imo..
Where would the justice for Kathleen Savio, and Stacy Peterson be without transparency and sunshine?
"Silence is the predators most lethal weapon"..
Anonymous, should be saluted for shining the light on this tragedy, imo"...

"Drew Peterson: Untouchable" Preview

http://www.mylifetime.com/movies/drew-peterson-untouchable/video

[video=youtube;NeMSPHlvzkE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NeMSPHlvzkE[/video]

 

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__________________________________________

I judge information based on many things: the source, the tone, the facts cited, the way a logical argument is constructed, whether the writer appears to have an axe to grind, or is being forthcoming, whether a writer can retract an incorrect statement, etc.

Further, this is a highly unusual case where small-town local politicians tried to bury a 16 yo girl and her family. I've read a lot, but haven't chronicled it... but if I recall correctly, for example, Jane Harlin was the prosecuting attorney with huge axes to grind; her hubby was / is an investigator for the SPD; and their son is on the football team! On top of that, while she portrays herself as some moral vicar with brass balls and a sterling, unblemished 100% conviction rate, she also testified for a SHS football player in an adjoining county as a character witness (while still being paid in her county on her little sojourn), as well as for a SHS football player in her district.

It just smells to high h*ll of cronyism. This is just one example.

So, does the masked man / woman bother me, considering how many public officals and even servants (teachers, coaches, etc.) tried to bury this story? Not really. Because w/out Anonymous, maybe 2 kids might have gotten a slap on the wrist. Now, at least there is some chance for parity and justice.

Well said! Your criteria are what's important in evaluating not whether it is an 'authority' or MSM or whatever.

 

[believe09]

Oh I am a little skeptical of Anonymous and their motivations. FWIW. I dont believe they are always Robin Hood:

LINK HERE

There was very little palatable justification for this ivho.

The group claims to have attacked the Boston police patrolman’s association website and email portal.
The group says it posted names, email addresses and the passwords of BPD members.

 

[believe09]

I also find it fascinating that MSM is jumping off of their posted information, but that is nothing new these days. There are poorly sourced stories everywhere and the false information is spread far and wide as fact because no one is bothering to fact check.

As for the statements attributed to Anonymous' atty about possible defamation suits..I suspect he is including first ammendment rights, not just that they have "facts" to base their assertions on.

jmvho.