GUILTY OH - Steubenville Rape Case, 11 Aug 2012 #1

Status
Not open for further replies.
  • #601
I've only just started reading about this case in the last day and I am horrified that kids, verging on adults, can behave in this way. And I am sickened at the lack of charges against more of these 'men'. Just watched the video and that guy is an a class freak. I hope he is ostracised for a long time and works hard to earn a valued placed in society again. If only someone that night had the foresight and courage to call the police during the rapes.
 
  • #602
This is a new this weekend Herald Star Online article that I don't think has been posted here yet.

http://www.heraldstaronline.com/pag.../Rape-trial--Will-it-stay-here-.html?nav=5010

Rape trial: Will it stay here?
Legal experts say change of venue motion may be too hard to prove

January 13, 2013
By MARK LAW - Staff writer ([email protected]) , The Herald-Star


"STEUBENVILLE - Legal experts believe a change of venue motion filed Friday in the rape case involving two Steubenville High School student-athletes will be hard to prove.

T---- M---, 16, of Bloomingdale and M---- R-------, 16, of Steubenville have been charged with rape. M---- also has been charged with illegal use of a minor in nudity-oriented material. They are scheduled to go on trial beginning Feb. 13 before visiting juvenile Judge Tom Lipps. There will be no jury. Lipps will make the decision of guilt or innocence. Attorneys for the defendants have denied the charges in court.

Much, much more...

Also available within the same article is a Timeline (a summary of events) which is in the form of a PDF


http://www.heraldstaronline.com/pdf/news/582064_1.pdf
Isn't a change of venue requested only as a means to obtain jury members who may be more objective when evaluating evidence in court?

why would there need to be a change in venue when the decision will be made by a judge... Not a jury?

Obviously... I am no legal expert...

:dunno:
 
  • #603
This is a new this weekend Herald Star Online article that I don't think has been posted here yet.

http://www.heraldstaronline.com/pag.../Rape-trial--Will-it-stay-here-.html?nav=5010

Rape trial: Will it stay here?
Legal experts say change of venue motion may be too hard to prove

January 13, 2013
By MARK LAW - Staff writer ([email protected]) , The Herald-Star


"STEUBENVILLE - Legal experts believe a change of venue motion filed Friday in the rape case involving two Steubenville High School student-athletes will be hard to prove.

T---- M---, 16, of Bloomingdale and M---- R-------, 16, of Steubenville have been charged with rape. M---- also has been charged with illegal use of a minor in nudity-oriented material. They are scheduled to go on trial beginning Feb. 13 before visiting juvenile Judge Tom Lipps. There will be no jury. Lipps will make the decision of guilt or innocence. Attorneys for the defendants have denied the charges in court.

Much, much more...

Also available within the same article is a Timeline (a summary of events) which is in the form of a PDF


http://www.heraldstaronline.com/pdf/news/582064_1.pdf

From the timeline above.....

Hanlin says (In my own words) that she is 100% certain her son was not present when the "activities" occurred....

I guess she had not seen the photo of her son carrying the girl?

Hmmmmmm?
 
  • #604
_______________________________________________________

I agree. Not sure exactly why. The Dr. Phil show might help in upping the coverage and raising the profile of the case to Marge and Bill in Iowa. I'm guessing part of the reason is it's Steubenville, which I never knew anything about til a year ago. Also, Duke and others fit the media (liberal media) profile of supposed white folks using their supposed power against poor "people of color". This case doesn't fit that profile. I know that M.R. is African American, but I've read rumors that the alleged victim is bi-racial, and from a private school. Rich? Again, not the evil Mitt Romney characterization. Not every case gets national attention.

A very similar case in Richmond, California, is starting to hand down sentences for similar crimes, and it didn't go national. Again, this may not fit the media narrative - most of the criminals (they have been convicted) were Latino or black, and I don't know what ethnicity the victim is. (The first two perps got 20-25 years for rape in concert, robbery, and battery.)

We have to be careful about blowing up rumor and half truths, into presumed facts. For example, if the few posted pages from the preliminary hearing are real, then it might make sense that the judge ruled out kidnapping, and other charges. And for the first time, I read that a football coach KICKED OUT partying kids - which means he acted responsibly - not that he hosted a party. Again, if what I read is true.

I am very confused for why you are bringing race into this. Most of the guys involved in this scandal, except for one, are white. The victim might be biracial, but that doesn't matter at this point. She is still anonymous. What does that have to do with the amount of coverage?

Also, I know what case you are talking about in the second paragraph, and it did get a bit of national coverage. It's most likely that the victim in the Richmond gang rape case was black or Hispanic, since that's what the demographics of that city show. The media probably did ignore that case because it happened in a crime-ridden area.

Also, I am confused when you say that the victim went to a private school, and then: "Rich? Not the Mitt Romney characterization". Um, the media doesn't like to report on rich teenagers/children who are victims of crimes? :waitasec:
 
  • #605
Except the video wasn't new evidence. Detectives had it August 15th & viewed many times to figure out the conversations taking place, then interviewed Nodianos on August 17th. - per preliminary trial transcript. Derndit!

Oh yeah thats right, and good ole sherriff said like a week ago he had yet to view it.
but this is no coverup
 
  • #606
I am very confused for why you are bringing race into this. Most of the guys involved in this scandal, except for one, are white. The victim might be biracial, but that doesn't matter at this point. She is still anonymous. What does that have to do with the amount of coverage?

Also, I know what case you are talking about in the second paragraph, and it did get a bit of national coverage. It's most likely that the victim in the Richmond gang rape case was black or Hispanic, since that's what the demographics of that city show. The media probably did ignore that case because it happened in a crime-ridden area.

Also, I am confused when you say that the victim went to a private school, and then: "Rich? Not the Mitt Romney characterization". Um, the media doesn't like to report on rich teenagers/children who are victims of crimes? :waitasec:
___________________________________________________

What does race have to do with this? It might be a factor. The mainstream press is largely liberal, that's just how it is. We saw that 92% of the press voted for Bill Clinton, and probably more voted for Obama.

As part of this backdrop, the press loves to discuss racism charges anytime they can. Remember Tawana Brawley in the 1980s? She reportedly was abused and raped by a pack of wild, white police officers. It was the coast to coast story for weeks. All a farce. (Al Sharpton's claim to fame.) Likewise, when the alleged Duke lacrosse players were vilified from east to west. False. Farce.

The Richmond, CA case was horrific, but got little coverage outside of the Bay Area. Why? There is a case in the Redwood City / Palo Alto area that had the police "shocked" as some very young girls who were brutalized and raped at a young age. Veteran police officers of 30 years say they have never seen anything like it. Little coverage. From what I can glean, it is a brutal attack and rape of illegal immigrant on very young, illegal immigrant girls. The press and public don't seem interested. Why?

I think one of the most gruesome crimes I have heard about was the rape, murder, and torture of Channon Christian and Christopher Newsom of Knoxville, Tennessee. The national media ignored it. Many contend that the crime fit no political agenda, thus it wasn't covered. (Reverse racism.)

Anyhow, the press doesn't like to cover cases where a black man (or youth) is charged with a brutal crime, especially when committed against a European American. It's just something I have seen through the decades. This case gets a little complicated, as I've heard the girl and second attacker might be biracial. I've also read that several secondary participants might be black. The only reason this story has caught fire is b/c of the Internet, crime bloggers, and Anonymous.

This story fits no neat agenda, and there isn't a clear-cut political agenda.

I have no proof of this, but it sounds like this crime might include economic status, connections, and envy, which is harder to quantify. And race can often parallel these issues. It seems like there are rumors that those with connections, and money, are getting off.
 
  • #607
I think one of the most gruesome crimes I have heard about was the rape, murder, and torture of Channon Christian Christopher Newsom of Knoxville, Tennessee. The national media ignored it. Many contend that the crime fit no political agenda, thus it wasn't covered. (Reverse racism.)

you are right the cases are similar in they are obvious OMG i cant believe this, yet both are ignored by national media.
 
  • #608
I haven't seen this story get a drop of national coverage. Most comments on the article indicate that the alleged criminals are illegal immigrants.

_______________________________

San Francisco Chronicle

Redwood City: Boys charged in alleged rape attempt
Published 7:16 pm, Tuesday, June 14, 2011

REDWOOD CITY -- "Five boys ages 12 to 14 have been charged with trying to rape two 12-year-old girls during a Redwood City school field trip, a case the district attorney called unprecedented in his three-plus decades as a prosecutor."

"What makes this case stand out for me is the age," Wagstaffe said. "Twelve, 13, 14 - that's really horrific.

The top commenter on this article wrote this: "The Redwood City School District said all the students involved were part of a newcomer program at the middle school, which means they have only been in the U.S. for less than a year." As reported by KTVU.com.

Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/crime/article...lleged-rape-attempt-2368310.php#ixzz2Hw36S9Au
 
  • #609
___________________________________________________

What does race have to do with this? It might be a factor. The mainstream press is largely liberal, that's just how it is. We saw that 92% of the press voted for Bill Clinton, and probably more voted for Obama.

As part of this backdrop, the press loves to discuss racism charges anytime they can. Remember Tawana Brawley in the 1980s? She reportedly was abused and raped by a pack of wild, white police officers. It was the coast to coast story for weeks. All a farce. (Al Sharpton's claim to fame.) Likewise, when the alleged Duke lacrosse players were vilified from east to west. False. Farce.

The Richmond, CA case was horrific, but got little coverage outside of the Bay Area. Why? There is a case in the Redwood City / Palo Alto area that had the police "shocked" as some very young girls who were brutalized and raped at a young age. Veteran police officers of 30 years say they have never seen anything like it. Little coverage. From what I can glean, it is a brutal attack and rape of illegal immigrant on very young, illegal immigrant girls. The press and public don't seem interested. Why?

I think one of the most gruesome crimes I have heard about was the rape, murder, and torture of Channon Christian and Christopher Newsom of Knoxville, Tennessee. The national media ignored it. Many contend that the crime fit no political agenda, thus it wasn't covered. (Reverse racism.)

Anyhow, the press doesn't like to cover cases where a black man (or youth) is charged with a brutal crime, especially when committed against a European American. It's just something I have seen through the decades. This case gets a little complicated, as I've heard the girl and second attacker might be biracial. I've also read that several secondary participants might be black. The only reason this story has caught fire is b/c of the Internet, crime bloggers, and Anonymous.

This story fits no neat agenda, and there isn't a clear-cut political agenda.

I have no proof of this, but it sounds like this crime might include economic status, connections, and envy, which is harder to quantify. And race can often parallel these issues. It seems like there are rumors that those with connections, and money, are getting off.

The OJ Simpson trial proves that the press has zero problems with covering black-on-white crimes. And before you say he's a celebrity, they didn't have to give it as much coverage as they did. They don't have to mention it 18 years later. But this black-on-white crime became the most publicized crime of all time. On a smaller level, the media had no problems with criticizing Kanye West for interrupting Taylor Swift at the VMA's.

Tawana and Duke Rape...TWO cases over a period of 25 years. How does that prove that the media loves to report on white-on-black crimes?

There are 20,000 murders a year. Most of them don't get any coverage. There was no mystery to the Newsome/Christian case. There is no doubt about the guilt of the murderers. There was no chance they would be acquitted. Don't even mention race; A couple in their 20's is carjacked in Knoxville. They are abducted by a group of men and women, brutally tortured and raped, and then murdered. Everyone in the group has been arrested, and charged with murder. Most people would just say, "That's horrible" and go on with their lives. It's just not something that is going to generate massive interest to justify massive coverage.

I also feel very sorry for their families, because not only were Channon and Chris brutally murdered, but their case became the "pet" case of all the white supremacist organizations everywhere.
 
  • #610
I haven't seen this story get a drop of national coverage. Most comments on the article indicate that the alleged criminals are illegal immigrants.

_______________________________

San Francisco Chronicle

Redwood City: Boys charged in alleged rape attempt
Published 7:16 pm, Tuesday, June 14, 2011

REDWOOD CITY -- "Five boys ages 12 to 14 have been charged with trying to rape two 12-year-old girls during a Redwood City school field trip, a case the district attorney called unprecedented in his three-plus decades as a prosecutor."

"What makes this case stand out for me is the age," Wagstaffe said. "Twelve, 13, 14 - that's really horrific.

The top commenter on this article wrote this: "The Redwood City School District said all the students involved were part of a newcomer program at the middle school, which means they have only been in the U.S. for less than a year." As reported by KTVU.com.

Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/crime/article...lleged-rape-attempt-2368310.php#ixzz2Hw36S9Au

So you're saying this case was ignored by the national media...because the boys involved are illegal immigrants? Okay. I'm sure it has nothing to do with the fact that 1. They didn't rape her. Attempted rape, just like attempted murder, is not interesting to the media. 2. Rape cases happen all the time and it's very rare for it to get national coverage. 3. The case just isn't that compelling. You have a group of middle school age boys who tried to rape a young girl. They were arrested. They are being charged. The DA acknowledges that it was a horrible crime. There is no cover-up. There are no videos of the boys laughing about it. I just don't see why this case should be a national story.
 
  • #611
FYI-the verdicts were overturned

there was a story there and most would agree, period!
 
  • #612
So you're saying this case was ignored by the national media...because the boys involved are illegal immigrants? Okay. I'm sure it has nothing to do with the fact that 1. They didn't rape her. Attempted rape, just like attempted murder, is not interesting to the media. 2. Rape cases happen all the time and it's very rare for it to get national coverage. 3. The case just isn't that compelling. You have a group of middle school age boys who tried to rape a young girl. They were arrested. They are being charged. The DA acknowledges that it was a horrible crime. There is no cover-up. There are no videos of the boys laughing about it. I just don't see why this case should be a national story.

My thought exactly.
 
  • #613
had to check up since the story that should have been covered main stream media wrongly was NOT!
ringleader verdict upheld at this time
3 others future to be determined end of this week

keep them in prayers, sorry for off topic
 
  • #614
And for the first time, I read that a football coach KICKED OUT partying kids - which means he acted responsibly - not that he hosted a party. Again, if what I read is true.

Respectfully snipped from movielover's post. I see this a little differently-I see an adult sending 30-40 possibly drunk kids off into the universe, many driving cars. These kids were/are 16-18 which is not even close to 21. Ummm, why not call parents and LE and determine where the alcohol came from?

Because kids will be kids, right? Unfortunately for him, the civil suit (if there is one) will likely start right there.
 
  • #615
  • #616
From the timeline above.....

Hanlin says (In my own words) that she is 100% certain her son was not present when the "activities" occurred....

I guess she had not seen the photo of her son carrying the girl?

Hmmmmmm?

Is her son really one of the kids carrying the girl? I haven't seen that before. :what:
 
  • #617
  • #618
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...lits-town-between-big-red-and-guy-fawkes.html

...He added that the picture that seems to show M<modsnip> and his client carrying the girl from one room to the next as she&#8217;s seemingly unconscious is not what it seems.

&#8220;Out of context, it&#8217;s outrageous,&#8221; Madison said. &#8220;In context, maybe the shutter flashed when her eyes were blinking. I can tell you she was not unconscious.&#8221;...
 
  • #619
Oh yeah thats right, and good ole sherriff said like a week ago he had yet to view it.
but this is no coverup

It's part of the court record, testified under oath by lead detective in October 2012. Derndit again!
 
  • #620
In the interviews with KYanonymous, he didn't claim to be unveiling information that no one knew about. He stressed that most of the information was widely distributed on the net by the accused rapists and their friends. My impression was that despite this information being 'out there', it was being swept under the carpet. That's why things like the Sheriff saying he had only *just* seen the video seem so bizarre. The localleaks site is making the information available to the public since a lot of it has been deleted.

IMO.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

Members online

Online statistics

Members online
53
Guests online
1,156
Total visitors
1,209

Forum statistics

Threads
632,419
Messages
18,626,310
Members
243,147
Latest member
tibboi
Back
Top