OH - Three students killed in Chardon High School shooting, 27 Feb 2012

[momtective]

Does anyone know how to get a Facebook page taken down.I came across this on a website and tried to report it to FB.I can't believe someone did this to begin with,what is wrong with these kids.

https://www.facebook.com/pages/TJ-Lane-Ohio-school-shooter-is-a-HERO/254611201287093?sk=wall

It's gone.

 

[passionflower]

I feel so bad for ALL the children, teachers and families............
the worse nightmare!

 

[bellyup]

Read both articles and maybe they just haven't been updated... but neither currently (10:27 pm eastern time) says another student has died. I do see that the Herald-Sun headline has changed to "2 dead" but the stories so far don't support that. Hoping DH is still fighting hard.

All the local news stations have been reporting since around 7 pm that he's deceased.
But now I'm not finding a main news source reporting it. FOX was .... And the Herald Sun is a local paper (reputable) ...... but none of the big names (ie; Cleveland Plain Dealer?)

http://rochesterhomepage.net/fulltext?nxd_id=302852

 

[Inspector Gidget]

I guess I don't understand bullying.Not everyone is liked by everyone.We are all different in our unique way.I think it is more of a low self esteem issue unless they are constantly being picked on.My son was picked on in elementary school by this one kid.I went to the school and talked to the counselor.She talked to both of them,come to find out this kid wanted to be friends with my son and thought my son didn't like him.They talked and everything was ok after they met and talked.

 

[i.b.nora]

I wish the rumors would stop. They aren't helping.

Soledad O'Brien sitting in for Anderson Cooper tonight had a good report and it included an interview by Martin Savich with a young woman who is a friend of the alleged 'shooter'. It was made clear that she is not condoning what the shooter did, but she talked about him a little bit from her point of view and from her knowledge of him. She was very articulate and it was a fantastic interview. Much more valuable than a million tweets.

It was mentioned that he has an older brother who is in jail somewhere (and, in the Reuters article I read a bit ago and linked to, it mentioned his sister). I think it only barely touched on his father.

I am sure it will repeat, so watch for it in your area.

 

[Wise Old Owl]

Maybe they are holding up on reporting any other deaths out of respect to the families - maybe out of state relatives need to be notified.

JMHO

 

[Inspector Gidget]

Where does an underage child get a hold of a gun ? In the home where they are not locked up? They should not have access to guns.JMO

 

[cece5300]

Where does an underage child get a hold of a gun ? In the home where they are not locked up? They should not have access to guns.JMO

We can't speculate but maybe it WAS locked up and he knew how to get it. He's 17; he'd know well enough how to obtain a gun. And in Columbine, an 18 year old friend bought the gun for the boys.

 

[wfgodot]

All the local news stations have been reporting since around 7 pm that he's deceased.
But now I'm not finding a main news source reporting it. FOX was .... And the Herald Sun is a local paper (reputable) ...... but none of the big names (ie; Cleveland Plain Dealer?)

http://rochesterhomepage.net/fulltext?nxd_id=302852

Which Herald Sun is this, to which you refer?

 

[bellyup]

Which Herald Sun is this, to which you refer?

Okay, channel 3, our main news station is reporting 2 deceased right now.
http://www.wfsb.com/story/17024182/breaking-chardon

(The Sun Herald was posted upthread a little)

 

[Sassygerl]

I guess I don't understand bullying.Not everyone is liked by everyone.We are all different in our unique way.I think it is more of a low self esteem issue unless they are constantly being picked on.My son was picked on in elementary school by this one kid.I went to the school and talked to the counselor.She talked to both of them,come to find out this kid wanted to be friends with my son and thought my son didn't like him.They talked and everything was ok after they met and talked.

Bullies are relentless, and with technology today, it's not just at school, it's online! It's horrible. I can't even imagine being bullied at school and then to get online and there it is too. It's sad What a sad day....RIP to those who passed (not sure if it's more than one)

* sadly some kids cry bullets

 

[bellyup]

Channel 3 is also reporting that the shooter TJ Lane was NOT a student at Chardon High School. He merely gets his bus there and goes to The Lake Academy Alternative School (which services “at-risk” students)

 

[gitana1]

You are right in the laws eyes he is a child, however I am sure he will be tried as an adult, isn't it funny that the 17 year old soldier is not a child, or the 16 year old mother! We sure have a double standard in this country!:waitasec:

There have been numerous studies that support just the opposite. Teenage frontal lobe development is not only undeveloped , it's actually hindered. Predicting consequences for their actions isn't a given. So knowing "right from wrong" is subjective. With a horrible upbringing.... maybe not.

Here is a comprehensive article from National Geographic that I just read a couple days ago, coincidentally. It explains in very, specific and scientific detail, the teenage brain, and why it is vastly different from the adult brain: http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/2011/10/teenage-brains/dobbs-text

This process of maturation, once thought to be largely finished by elementary school, continues throughout adolescence. Imaging work done since the 1990s shows that these physical changes move in a slow wave from the brain's rear to its front, from areas close to the brain stem that look after older and more behaviorally basic functions, such as vision, movement, and fundamental processing, to the evolutionarily newer and more complicated thinking areas up front.
Stronger links also develop between the hippocampus, a sort of memory directory, and frontal areas that set goals and weigh different agendas; as a result, we get better at integrating memory and experience into our decisions. At the same time, the frontal areas develop greater speed and richer connections, allowing us to generate and weigh far more variables and agendas than before. When this development proceeds normally, we get better at balancing impulse, desire, goals, self-interest, rules, ethics, and even altruism, generating behavior that is more complex and, sometimes at least, more sensible. But at times, and especially at first, the brain does this work clumsily. It's hard to get all those new cogs to mesh.

The article explains that teen brains are not done developing. In fact, the brain does not fully mature until about the age of 25. From 10-25, it is evolving, fast, but areas such as impulse control, the desire to take risks, the inability to properly balance risks versus rewards and the deep, almost obsessive need to be liked by peers and to socialize with age-mates, are not up to par until the 20's. The article explains that, while it allows for dangerous behavior, it also allows the species to survive. But I will leave that part to whoever wants to read the article. It's too in-depth to explain.

I disagree that teen moms are thought of as adults. They may have to take on the responsibilities of an adult but it doesn't make them one and few people who have known a teen mom would ever consider them adults.

But it's true, soldiers are not thought of as children even if they are too young to smoke, or drink or vote. We have a double standard when it comes to soldiers because we need to. Soldiers tend to be younger because the older we become, the less enchanted we are by risk and the more weight we give to adverse consequences as opposed to possible benefits. Teens and young adults are the opposite. If it wasn't for them and they way they think, we would have far less wars, IMO. Because we'd have too few people to fight them.

Nevertheless, the teen brain doesn't always explain these things. It may explain in part, why a kid ultimately acted but there obviously has to be something else involved. In some cases, that something else is despair, pain, torment. In other cases, it's mental illness. And in yet others, it's just plain old evil.

I will have to wait and see what comes out about this case before I can decide. The initial reports by some friends that this kid was horribly bullied, quiet and sad, point to desperation to me. I didn't hear anything about his FB that alarmed me except the poem he wrote. That was a huge red flag. But it doesn't necessarily mean he's evil. Could be, or could be crazy or just at his wit's end. Kids that age are dramatic and write things and think things they would not as adults.

So, let's see what comes out.

But we need to do better in this country, either way, about bullying. Not just how to stop it or prevent it, but how to help our kids deal with it, without hanging themselves, killing someone or suffering for years, isolated and in silence.

And yes, I say "kids". I'm 43. They are babies to me. And IMO, anyone around teenagers this age should be struck by the immature, silly and foolish things they say and do that differentiate them from adults. Try to teach a high school class for a day or two and you'll see what I mean.

 

[bellyup]

The Herald Sun linked up above is Murdoch's Melbourne-based Australian paper, making it sorta clear they were getting their "two dead" info from Fox.

Whoops. I missed that >.> Sorry. The local paper in the Cleveland area is the Sun and there are several branches of it (one being the Sun Herald) . http://www.sunnews.com/sun/index.html

 

[daisy7]

If you'd like to support the community during this time of need, we will be presenting the students and staff a copy of your comments.

http://rememberingchardon.com/

Thanks, mom, for posting this.

 

[HMSHood]

I can imagine the people of Chardon are thinking this could never happen here. That can be also said of Blacksburg, Littleton, or Red Lake.

 

[wfgodot]

Whoops. I missed that >.> Sorry. The local paper in the Cleveland area is the Sun and there are several branches of it (one being the Sun Herald) . http://www.sunnews.com/sun/index.html

That's okay! Gave me a chance to look up the Herald Sun and make sure I remembered correctly that it's the Murdoch tabloid in Melbourne OZ. One of my friends lives there and I thought I recalled him mentioning that name as being one of their papers.

 

[passionflower]

Main story, picture of deceased Dan Parmetor

http://www.wpxi.com/

 

[Inspector Gidget]

Bullies are relentless, and with technology today, it's not just at school, it's online! It's horrible. I can't even imagine being bullied at school and then to get online and there it is too. It's sad What a sad day....RIP to those who passed (not sure if it's more than one)

* sadly some kids cry bullets

Agreed,and sounds like the parents might not be aware.There is and should be a zero tolerance for this behavior.The internet plays a big part sadly.Internet accounts should be deleted for bullies.Something needs to change in a big way.I feel bad for all the Chardon High School families

 

[bellyup]

I will have to wait and see what comes out about this case before I can decide. The initial reports by some friends that this kid was horribly bullied, quiet and sad, point to desperation to me. I didn't hear anything about his FB that alarmed me except the poem he wrote. That was a huge red flag. But it doesn't necessarily mean he's evil. Could be, or could be crazy or just at his wit's end. Kids that age are dramatic and write things and think things they would not as adults.

So, let's see what comes out.

The thing I picked up from his facebook is that ... he didn't seem to have many "friends" despite the 156 "friends" listed. No one ever commented on anything he posted or liked it, etc. That alone would concern me looking at his page. Social isolation during the teenage years seems to equal trouble. It could just be internal troubles for that teen, but it could be .. bigger issues.