OH - Three students killed in Chardon High School shooting, 27 Feb 2012

[gxm]

Everything I've seen / read just says a juvi court hearing. NO indication of what that will entail.

I've also read the DA (?) wants him moved to the adult section. IMO, it's very likely he will be tried as an adult. The police chief said he couldn't give the shooter's name, but that after the hearing he'd be able to provide more details. Maybe they are waiting for a judge to determine TJ will be treated like an adult? (Just a guess, I'm not a lawyer and have no legal training whatsoever.)

 

[Bravo]

I'm just assuming here but from one of the student interviews on the news a young lady stated he had come into the cafeteria and sat down at a table by himself. Then the shooting began. I assume the hallway shooting took place when he fled?

 

[x_files]

http://www2.nbc4i.com/news/2012/feb/28/16/school-day-ohio-brings-shootings-death-ar-947024/
"Bob Farinacci, the Lane's family attorney, gave this statement to the media: "They want to give their most heartfelt and sincere condolences to the family of the young man who passed and their continuing prayers are with all those who were injured. This is something that could never have been predicted. TJ's family has asked for some privacy while they try to understand how such a tragedy could have occurred and while they mourn this terrible loss for their community."

Also at above link "The victims were found in three separate locations in the school. Authorities are not elaborating on the locations right now."

That seems to contradict all reports that they were shot at one table in the cafeteria? Bad reporting ?

It doesn't match what the eye witness student said yesterday on tv. I'll try to find the link. hmmm...

 

[oh_gal]

Poor choice of words by the police chief: "I've got some bullet points prepared here..."

Was that the police chief???!!! I heard that, but wasn't sure who said it.

 

[nursebeeme]

tried as an adult in Ohio

coincidently I found this article on TJ first when looking up how Ohio does things:

Mike DeWine, Ohio attorney general, discusses the Ohio shooting suspect's background and his scheduled court appearance.
DeWine says, “I have not talked to the prosecuting attorney, David Joyce, yet, but what we would assume is this case… [Lane] would be tried in all likelihood as an adult.http://cnnpressroom.blogs.cnn.com/2...general-t-j-lane-likely-to-be-tried-as-adult/

Q: At what age can a child be tried as an adult in Ohio and what is the process?
A: A child, defined as a person under age 18, can be tried as an adult only if the child was age 14 or older at the time of the offense. Nearly all such cases begin in juvenile court with a felony charge. The court must conduct hearings and make certain determinations before the child can be transferred to another court for trial. The process is sometimes referred to as bindover, transfer, waiver, or relinquishment proceedings. In some cases, the child must be tried as an adult. In others, the child can be tried as an adult only if the court orders it.

Q: When is trial as an adult required?
A: Trial as an adult is mandatory in certain very serious cases: (1) when the charge is aggravated murder or murder, and the child is 16 or 17 and has been committed to an Ohio Department of Youth Services (DYS) facility; and (2) when the charge is a certain serious felony offense, and the child is age 16 or 17 and either has previously been committed to a DYS facility or used a firearm while committing the offense. If the court finds that these conditions exist and that there is probable cause to believe that the child committed the offense, the child must stand trial as an adult. There are also other limited circumstances in which the child must stand trial as an adult.

much more at link... but yeah.... tried as an adult imhoo
http://www.ohiobar.org/Pages/LawYouCanUseDetail.aspx?itemID=380

 

[Wise Old Owl]

http://www2.nbc4i.com/news/2012/feb/28/16/school-day-ohio-brings-shootings-death-ar-947024/
"Bob Farinacci, the Lane's family attorney, gave this statement to the media: "They want to give their most heartfelt and sincere condolences to the family of the young man who passed and their continuing prayers are with all those who were injured. This is something that could never have been predicted. TJ's family has asked for some privacy while they try to understand how such a tragedy could have occurred and while they mourn this terrible loss for their community."

Also at above link "The victims were found in three separate locations in the school. Authorities are not elaborating on the locations right now."

That seems to contradict all reports that they were shot at one table in the cafeteria? Bad reporting ?

BBM

Really? Could never have been predicted? Next he'll be saying it wasn't pre-meditated (yet he brought a loaded gun to school and tweeted the day before about people going to be hurt).

Oh Lord, how I just don't understand defense attorneys and how they can sleep at night. I can't imagine being a parent of a victim and have to listen to this awful, untruthful dribble.


(Not directed at you Bellyup - just using your quote from the article)


JMHO

 

[gxm]

I'm just assuming here but from one of the student interviews on the news a young lady stated he had come into the cafeteria and sat down at a table by himself. Then the shooting began. I assume the hallway shooting took place when he fled?

That's what I'm wondering too. Could it be that the two students who were shot outside the cafeteria were not TJ's targets and were shot because they were in the wrong place at the wrong time?

 

[Wise Old Owl]

I am thinking that the 3 boys were shot at the table in the cafeteria. Scene 1

Room 200 - this was the boy shot in the leg that the teacher pulled into the room - probably shot in the cafeteria and ran into the hallway before he dropped

The girl was shot in the butt - she probably took the bullet in the cafeteria and ran until she dropped - probably right outside the cafeteria either in the hallway or just outside.


JMHO

 

[JoeFromLB]

The family attorney's statement and his comments about the suspect are classic lawyer-speak. The shootings were "something that could never have been predicted". There's the use of the passive voice..."try to understand how such a tragedy could have occurred"...."a very scary circumstance that I don't think he could have possibly even foreseen himself in the middle of".

The "tragedy" simply "occurred" and the suspect just happened to find himself "in the middle of" it with a smoking gun. A very scary circumstance indeed!

The psychiatrists will line up soon to give their "opinions", and the insanity defense will follow. Poor kid, he was bullied and just snapped one morning.
Either that, or someone stole his girlfriend. That could make any kid want to kill a bunch of people.

I'm so tired of the hand-wringing over the suspects in these incidents. I hope the media keeps the focus on the victims and the heinousness of this crime. I don't want to hear about how "confused" and "scared" this young killer is.

 

[oh_gal]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_shooting#1700s
School shootings have always occurred. The reporting on them is much stronger now. This link goes through all the years from 1700-current. With several big ones happening in the late 1700's - early 1980's when you attended school. You just didn't hear about them.

Since 2005 the number killed from school shootings has DRASTICALLY decreased.

Thanks for the link, very helpful.

 

[bellyup]

BBM

Really? Could never have been predicted? Next he'll be saying it wasn't pre-meditated (yet he brought a loaded gun to school and tweeted the day before about people going to be hurt).

Oh Lord, how I just don't understand defense attorneys and how they can sleep at night. I can't imagine being a parent of a victim and have to listen to this awful, untruthful dribble.

(Not directed at you Bellyup - just using your quote from the article)

JMHO

I realized it wasn't directed at me.

Has anyone seen evidence of tweets from TJ Lane on the 26th? I haven't.

I'm still confused on how / where that photo (the three picture shot) and the tweet information came from (as it apparently isn't TJ from all accounts). I'm surprised media hasn't reported on it and I hope someone is determining who that kid actually is.

 

[daisy7]

I realized it wasn't directed at me.

Has anyone seen evidence of tweets from TJ Lane on the 26th? I haven't.

I'm still confused on how / where that photo (the three picture shot) and the tweet information came from (as it apparently isn't TJ from all accounts). I'm surprised media hasn't reported on it and I hope someone is determining who that kid actually is.

You and me both I've only seen the 3 pictures, which I think look like him, but I guess they're not. Is there another tweet besides the pictures?

 

[JoeFromLB]

Was that the police chief???!!! I heard that, but wasn't sure who said it.

I thought it was, but I could be mistaken. I was listening in the background while reading the thread.

 

[gxm]

I realized it wasn't directed at me.

Has anyone seen evidence of tweets from TJ Lane on the 26th? I haven't.

I'm still confused on how / where that photo (the three picture shot) and the tweet information came from (as it apparently isn't TJ from all accounts). I'm surprised media hasn't reported on it and I hope someone is determining who that kid actually is.

Excellent point! I've been wondering about that too. You'd think the media (and LE) would be following up on this but it seems to be falling off everyone's radar.

 

[gxm]

I thought it was, but I could be mistaken. I was listening in the background while reading the thread.

You're right. It was the man in uniform who began his statement with that unfortunate choice of words.

 

[bellyup]

I am thinking that the 3 boys were shot at the table in the cafeteria. Scene 1

Room 200 - this was the boy shot in the leg that the teacher pulled into the room - probably shot in the cafeteria and ran into the hallway before he dropped

The girl was shot in the butt - she probably took the bullet in the cafeteria and ran until she dropped - probably right outside the cafeteria either in the hallway or just outside.

JMHO

I'm sure we'll learn more as details come out. I think the majority (if not all) of the shootings occurred in the cafeteria, like you. I think it's likely the two students found elsewhere were still mobile and ran from the scene. Reports are he shot three in the back / back of the head there. Several kids have commented that they heard only three shots (not clear if they meant three total or three in the cafeteria only) ?

I'm also not clear if he had one gun or two. Initial reports were that he had two when apprehended (and a knife) .

What I'm trying to figure out was ... was he out of ammo when he fled? I mean if you are shooting to shoot, wouldn't you shoot the teacher chasing you out of the school ? I also find it odd that he didn't shoot himself after his rampage. That's pretty typical. Did he come there with the intent to kill specific people and it took more shots then he expected?

 

[Wise Old Owl]

Yesterday there were some reports of 10 shots. I also heard somewhere that the 22 was a semi-automatic so does that mean it would hold more bullets?

I thought about the teachers chasing him too - how brave. He could have just turned and fired at them, that is, unless he was out of ammo.


JMHO

 

[Bravo]

I'm surprised by two things. He didn't fire upon the teacher chasing him? Maybe he was out of ammo? And the fact that he turned himself in.

 

[meganx3xo]

I apologize if this has been talked about- why was he a 17 year old sophomore with "stellar" grades? Shouldn't he at least be a junior or senior? And he didn't even go to the school? Something weird is happening.....

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mobil...ne-chardon-high-school-suspect_n_1306511.html

 

[bellyup]

I apologize if this has been talked about- why was he a 17 year old sophomore with "stellar" grades? Shouldn't he at least be a junior or senior? And he didn't even go to the school? Something weird is happening.....

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mobil...ne-chardon-high-school-suspect_n_1306511.html

From everything I've seen he was a junior, taking extra classes to graduate this year instead of next year (which could indicate that he wanted out of school now rather then later). The photos being circulated from the year book are from his sophomore year (which has lead some inattentive media outlets to report him as a sophomore).

He didn't go to Chardon High School. He went to Lake Academy Alternative School, an institution for "at risk" youths. There was a reason he was placed in that alternative school.... either educational or behavioral. Or perhaps he WAS having trouble with students at the regular high school. There's been no indication yet on why he went there versus the regular High School.