OH - Three students killed in Chardon High School shooting, 27 Feb 2012

[nursebeeme]

thanks n/t! (duh! I forgot what time it was)

 

[nursebeeme]

arraignment will also be here live: (at 3:30)
http://www.wkyc.com/news/article/232714/396/LIVE--Chardon-High-School-shooting-coverage

 

[~n/t~]

In all seriousness though, don't you think there has to be some type of mental health issues. Nobody in their right mind would think it was okay to do this. I think all killers have some type of mental health issue to make them do what they do. He's guilty and should be treated as such. In cases like this, there should be no option to plead otherwise, but I most definitely think he had some mental issues.

Not necessarily. Some are just evil. Sad reality.

 

[mrsu]

The determining factor on how many bullets a gun has is by how big the magazine is, you can get 10 round magazines. I'm not familiar with OH gun laws, but here in California you can't buy magazines that hold more than 10 rounds. In most states you can get magazines that hold 30 rounds.

*speculation*

So perhaps, based on the info I just heard on HLN that he had also fired shots (but missed) at the teacher who chased him from the school, perhaps he WAS intending on committing suicide but was out of shots and he realized it was over??

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

In all seriousness though, don't you think there has to be some type of mental health issues. Nobody in their right mind would think it was okay to do this. I think all killers have some type of mental health issue to make them do what they do. He's guilty and should be treated as such. In cases like this, there should be no option to plead otherwise, but I most definitely think he had some mental issues.

Upon learning that TJL had transferred to a school for "at risk" students tells me that this young man had some serious issues that probably stem from an unstable home environment and poor social relations with his peers. I'm sure that we'll be hearing more about this in the days to come and will get a better picture of who TJ is and what made him tick.

I agree that many, if not most, criminals have some type of mental health problems, but if all criminals were able to use a "mental health" defense, no one would ever be held accountable for their actions. jmo

 

[Wise Old Owl]

*speculation*

So perhaps, based on the info I just heard on HLN that he had also fired shots (but missed) at the teacher who chased him from the school, perhaps he WAS intending on committing suicide but was out of shots and he realized it was over??

good point. Maybe he did run out of ammo.......



JMHO

 

[krimekat]

Upon learning that TJL had transferred to a school for "at risk" students tells me that this young man had some serious issues that probably stem from an unstable home environment and poor social relations with his peers. I'm sure that we'll be hearing more about this in the days to come and will get a better picture of who TJ is and what made him tick.

I agree that many, if not most, criminals have some type of mental health problems, but if all criminals were able to use a "mental health" defense, no one would ever be held accountable for their actions. jmo

BBM: I don't believe MOST criminals are held accountable for their actions. I believe our prisons are so overwhelmed, our LE is stretch way too thin, and our justice system is a joke.

IMHO only.

Comparing pics of the murderer & the 3 dead victims, I don't by the "being bullied" angle . . . just sayin'

 

[iamnotagolem]

Some students called the Chardon High School shooting suspect caring, calm and polite, even in the moments just before shots were fired.

Read more: http://www.newsnet5.com/dpp/news/lo...lanes-family-releases-statement#ixzz1nhkBsjHN



The 17 year old suspected of killing two high school students and wounding three others in a shooting yesterday in Ohio was described as a loner by students and his lawyer.

Students say that Lane was shy and targeted by bullies.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/28/tj-lane-chardon-high-school-suspect_n_1306511.html

 

[mrsu]

Upon learning that TJL had transferred to a school for "at risk" students tells me that this young man had some serious issues that probably stem from an unstable home environment and poor social relations with his peers. I'm sure that we'll be hearing more about this in the days to come and will get a better picture of who TJ is and what made him tick.

I agree that many, if not most, criminals have some type of mental health problems, but if all criminals were able to use a "mental health" defense, no one would ever be held accountable for their actions. jmo

BBM

Oh no, I do agree with you 100%. That's not what I was meaning at all. Like I said earlier, I believe he should be charged to the fullest extent.

Even outside this shooting, it's so sad that someone could feel so hopeless to think this was the only way. Regarding suicides as well.

 

[QueenD]

Could be, but it did say Cook on HLN. It was on the screen.

ETA: Yes, it was fixed on HLN...now it does say Demetrius Hewlin.

This is the other person yesterday that some were tweeting had passed away yesterday. They also said he was shot in the head.

 

[snowdaze]

Not making excuses, but looking for reasons. I want to know when some of these so-called parents will be held responsible? Reading about this kids parents just makes me cringe!!!

 

[BD1]

NOt making excuses either, looking for reasons, and always hoping for ways to prevent. Wish we spent as much on community/mental health care as we do on our physical health, but since we can't even afford that, don't kow what the answer is for all the people suffering. Seems like just more of the same- tradgedy.

 

[QueenD]

I'm seeing tweets right now that the 3rd victim has died (which we already knew) and the gun was purchased legally? Looking for links (not very good in twitter).

Has anyone heard that the gun was purchased legally? And by who?

 

[buffetoflies]

Why are the Teddy Bear pics getting ya'll up in a tizzy?
I thought they were sweet.

 

[Bravo]

Did anyone catch what HLN just said? Something about the gun. Seems i am interrupted every time i want to hear something.

 

[snowdaze]

Did anyone catch what HLN just said? Something about the gun. Seems i am interrupted every time i want to hear something.

Just reported on CNN that he told police he stole the gun from his uncle.

 

[oh_gal]

I'm surprised by two things. He didn't fire upon the teacher chasing him? Maybe he was out of ammo? And the fact that he turned himself in.

I heard that he did fire at the teacher, but missed.

 

[AngelWings444]

This is so tragic. Those students/victims never stood a chance. TJ is a coward, shooting people in the back of the head. IMO, it was premeditated (stealing of gun and posts on social networking sites) and he deserves the toughest penalty available. He should and will be tried as an adult (JMO). I feel absolutely zero pity for him. One can blame the parents, the school, his youth, blah, blah, blah. He took the gun to school and shot kids in the head! Period. There is NO cure for evil. Now, his attorney is trying to make him out as the victim, sickening!

I get so sick and tired of the shooters getting all the attention, while the victims are quickly and quietly left behind. We can name shooters like at Columbine, but how many victims can we name. How many books were written about the victims? Just wrong.

It's a sad day when our children can't even go to school. School used to be a safe zone for kids, a place to go to get away from family problems.

A town of 5,000 just lost 3 of their children! All of these kids that witnessed this horror will never be the same. The families who lost their loved ones will never be the same.

Sorry for my rant. Just so sick of the criminals getting all the attention and the victims getting stomped on. :rant:

 

[alwayslooking]

The family attorney's statement and his comments about the suspect are classic lawyer-speak. The shootings were "something that could never have been predicted". There's the use of the passive voice..."try to understand how such a tragedy could have occurred"...."a very scary circumstance that I don't think he could have possibly even foreseen himself in the middle of".

The "tragedy" simply "occurred" and the suspect just happened to find himself "in the middle of" it with a smoking gun. A very scary circumstance indeed!

The psychiatrists will line up soon to give their "opinions", and the insanity defense will follow. Poor kid, he was bullied and just snapped one morning.
Either that, or someone stole his girlfriend. That could make any kid want to kill a bunch of people.

I'm so tired of the hand-wringing over the suspects in these incidents. I hope the media keeps the focus on the victims and the heinousness of this crime. I don't want to hear about how "confused" and "scared" this young killer is.

AMEN:what: I think of the old saying...."If Bobby didn't have murder on his mind, he would of left the gun behind."

 

[Dr. Know?]

WEWS 15 mins 27 secs ago Twitter BREAKING (w/ photo): Suspect in Chardon High School shooting, TJ Lane, enters courtroom http://yfrog.com/0tbmv8j

It must be time for court.