Identified! OH - Troy, Miami Co., 'Buckskin Girl' WhtFem 133UFOH, 15-25, Apr'81 - Marcia King

[FigTree]

On the University student hunt:
https://www.udayton.edu/fss/_resources/files/registrar/academic_calendar/1977-97_term_dates.pdf

A Dayton University Graduation was being held:
1981 Winter Jan 5, 1981 – Apr. 25,
1981 Graduation: Apr. 26, 1981

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Just thinking local area Ohio -
Trying to see if any of the local papers picked up BSG in their news.
There are plenty of papers to go through ...

From the Minster Historical Society
Online Community Newspapers
Newspapers from 1981 Jan - Dec - list
http://www.minsterhistoricalsociety...apers/1975 to 1984 - The Community Post/1981/

The biggest news item from the MHS is the introduction of our archived Minster Newspapers that will be accessible on our website. Back in the 1980's these papers were converted to microfilm and preserved. Today, thanks to an anonymous donation, we have converted these to files so that can be viewed by the world. Many requests and visitors come our way to research the papers and now they are but a click away.

April 30 1981
http://archives.minsterhistoricalso...Post/1981/04 1981 Community Post April 30.pdf
OHIO Community News
Here is also a snapshot of what was going on around that time in Minster and surrounds - community newspaper 30th April 1981
Pony tails and braids were in - there are pictures of 2 girls wearing braids (like BSG) - one in a CPR class and one on the athletics field.
Li'l Abner was playing at the theatre.

 

[Owutatangledweb]

Lol, at first i thought that was a typo and you wanted to show the pic to your former spouse, duh - you are the farmer's wife, cool!

Ha! I like the "former" spouse idea better when I get that sideways look! And, I could be the farmer's husband! LOL, Heck, I've been married so long, I could be a farmer too.

Leathermaker's tools:

https://www.google.com/search?q=lea...k7fTAhUB4YMKHVeeDgEQ_AUIBygC&biw=1366&bih=613

Shearing tools:

https://www.google.com/search?q=she...kbfTAhWI3YMKHW03BIMQ_AUIBigB&biw=1366&bih=613

Blacksmith's tools:

https://www.google.com/search?q=she...kbfTAhWI3YMKHW03BIMQ_AUIBigB&biw=1366&bih=613

Trapper's tools:

https://www.google.com/search?q=tra...&biw=1366&bih=613#tbm=isch&q=trapper's++tools

Trapping tools:

https://www.google.com/search?q=tra...kLfTAhUJ2oMKHX2pC4sQ_AUIBigB&biw=1366&bih=613

Furrier's tools:

https://www.google.com/search?q=Fur...lbfTAhWB8YMKHbOuC4gQ_AUICCgD&biw=1366&bih=613

Mechanic tools:

https://www.google.com/search?q=Tru...=613#tbm=isch&q=mechanic++tools+1970s&imgrc=_

 

[Owutatangledweb]

antique branding tools

https://www.google.com/search?q=tan...366&bih=613#tbm=isch&q=branding+tools+antique

farm hand tools 1970s

https://www.google.com/search?q=far...BDecQyjcILw&ei=Scv6WJniLuHejwTJg7e4Dg#imgrc=_

 

[AggieLou]

I just thought of this. She was wearing Wrangler jeans. Most women in the 18 to 25 age range were into jeans aimed more at being fashionable than utilitarian including myself just a little bit older than that in 1981 and with 2 small kids. Even Levis started going with trendy styles for women in 1970s and 1980s. Even in the 1970s in Boulder most of us girls wanted the hip styles in the trendy stores there. Wrangler I don't think ever did. They have always been the more utilitarian traditional western jeans.

 

[rosesfromangels]

Yes, wranglers have always been the favorites of farm/ranch types.

 

[rosesfromangels]

If you haven't already read this, it's a fascinating article about BSG, and how she was found. It's good to know there are people who are determined to find out who she is:

https://www.ksl.com/?sid=40545046&n...m-makes-breakthrough-in-1981-ohio-murder-case

 

[MelmothTheLost]

I am guessing that Buckskin jacket was her prize possesion

Interesting comment.

The jacket is quite distinctive, so in theory it could have been key to identifying her long ago. In that case, I have to assume that since it was left on the body she was almost certainly killed by a stranger who couldn't be linked back to her. A husband or established boyfriend would probably have taken the jacket, even if only to dispose of it separately.

It's an attractive garment which could have been sold for at least some cash, maybe many states away from where she was left by a killer used to travelling long distances such as a lorry driver. Was there blood on it that might have made it difficult or awkward to sell, even if cleaned?

Maybe it was given to a subsequent girlfriend ("A girl left this in the truck when I gave her a ride") and still hangs in a wardrobe in Idaho, too out of fashion to wear but too good to throw away.

 

[rosesfromangels]

The police have the garment.

 

[MelmothTheLost]

The police have the garment.

Yes, obviously. That's what comes of my trying to think too early in the morning!

 

[FigTree]

If you haven't already read this, it's a fascinating article about BSG, and how she was found. It's good to know there are people who are determined to find out who she is:

https://www.ksl.com/?sid=40545046&n...m-makes-breakthrough-in-1981-ohio-murder-case

Thanks rosesfromangels - such an interesting article!

In the picture of the jacket, was the lace for the front tie up missing or it wasn't there?
Does anyone know?

 

[AggieLou]

Yes, wranglers have always been the favorites of farm/ranch types.

They appear to be men's also. Noted as size 30 Long. They are lower rise than women's Wranglers. Photos I found for 1980s Wranglers were still high waisted and back then women's jeans weren't normally sized by waist size unless they were European.

 

[Suglo]

They appear to be men's also. Noted as size 30 Long. They are lower rise than women's Wranglers. Photos I found for 1980s Wranglers were still high waisted and back then women's jeans weren't normally sized by waist size unless they were European.

My friends and I used to buy men's jeans back then (normally Levi 501's) and take them in at the leg. They fit much better than women's jeans. It was because we didn't like the high waist and could also get them in longer lengths.

 

[AggieLou]

My friends and I used to buy men's jeans back then (normally Levi 501's) and take them in at the leg. They fit much better than women's jeans. It was because we didn't like the high waist and could also get them in longer lengths.

And I believe the Long would be at least 34" inseam . I am just a hair over 5'4" and a 31 or 32 inseam is best for me. She must be at the tall end of the height estimate as the picture of her jeans don't appear to have frayed hems from dragging or being walked on.Also what about the oil industry. Oklahoma is a big crude and natural gas producer and of course Texas too. She seems to be shaping up to have been a bit of an unconventional young woman of that era!

 

[Suglo]

And I believe the Long would be at least 34" inseam . I am just a hair over 5'4" and a 31 or 32 inseam is best for me. She must be at the tall end of the height estimate as the picture of her jeans don't appear to have frayed hems from dragging or being walked on.Also what about the oil industry. Oklahoma is a big crude and natural gas producer and of course Texas too. She seems to be shaping up to have been a bit of an unconventional young woman of that era!

Agreed. I'm 5'7" and needed the 32 length minimum. Women's jeans were always "high waters," as we called them, on me.

 

[FigTree]

They appear to be men's also. Noted as size 30 Long. They are lower rise than women's Wranglers. Photos I found for 1980s Wranglers were still high waisted and back then women's jeans weren't normally sized by waist size unless they were European.

Thanks for that AggieLou.
I'm a jeans gal - and waist cut jeans for women were back in fashion from the mid to late 70's through to the 80's after flairs went out, and boot cut and straight legs came back in.
Waist lengths didn't start to drop again until the late 80's - 90's.

There is a wikki article about it here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Low-rise_pants
During the late 1970s and early 1980s, however, waistlines moved higher as wide, flared, bell-bottoms gradually gave way to designer straight-legged jeans.



https://www.denimsandjeans.com/news/a-visual-history-of-wrangler/14408

Doe Network says the size of the Wrangler Jeans were 30Long


The women's sizing for Wrangler: XS - S - M - L - XL - XXL
https://www.wrangler.com/help/size-charts.html


The jacket is also a mens sized jacket.
If I recall, the exact jacket that was advertised on Etsy was a mens jacket.

Something to take into consideration - she wore a mens sized jacket and mens sized jeans.

 

[Ambi80P]

Hi I am new to the forum but I have been following since I came across your board in my own investigation. I was in the middle of typing my view of the area where she was found since I visited there today but it logged me out and I lost all I typed! Today is the anniversary of her death (what is on her marker) and I just couldn't resist driving by where some terrible person thought they would just dump the poor girl. It had me practically in tears and I just said a prayer that someday someone will find her family and someday she will have a name and have justice.
Anyways my mom saw BSG on a cable show and knowing me like she does she told me to look the case up. Investigating (anything and everything) is my thing and this being a local mystery is even more intriguing.
I can give specific info on what the area looks like (roads and land layout) but I will post this post before I get kicked off the net again!

 

[rosesfromangels]

Welcome AMBi!
Looking forward to your local perspective

 

[Ambi80P]

The location is 1200 block of greenlee rd. East side of the road according to the investigator. So for the drop off, the vehicle would have been going north on greenlee... toward fenner and she then pushed out the passenger side into the ditch?
The fella that found her was buying the house on the other side of the road. It is a farm and it's still there with a long lane. His relatives still live in it (he moved a couple of years ago).
To get to greenlee this way from 75 take exit 73 troy/55 turn onto 55 west. You would drive "out to nowhere". There is "urban sprawl" now but back then it would have been all farm fields. Just in the 14 years I've been here the area has built up so much. If you are on 55 W, there come a point where it looks literally like it's going to take you no place. But oh then come horseshoe bend rd off to the right. It's like an escape! Veer to the right and you are on horseshoe bend road. The road is narrow. Barely enough room for two cars to pass. It's not freeway pavement or cement. It's country back road "chip and seal". Just a step up from gravel and dirt. A few houses but then more fields. And fields. There is a road to the right but it's all flat field as far as you can see so you might as well keep going. Then maybe warning signs about the "bends" in horseshoe bend rd? Not sure if they were there in 1981 but if you keep going you better be in a car shorter than a station wagon or you won't make the curves. Bruckners nature center (was it there in 1981?) is up the hill before "the bends". You could turn around there in the drive. But you may as well turn right onto greenlee. It has a nice enough name and a few trees. Fields and farm houses. It's April. A little chilly. The fields are bare. Maybe plowed ready for spring's first planting in a week or two. Drive always pass a farm on the right, no keep going, drive some more, fields and fields on both sides (there's new houses now but they weren't there then) oh coming up on a tree to the left and the fellas house he just bought oh that creek on the left has trees perfect "shade" drive a little more so out of view then dump on the right. Just in time almost to fenner. Turn right on fenner take it straight back to 55 turn left on 55 and in a couple hundred yards you are on 75.
A semi could not negotiate those roads or turns. If it would have tried it would have looked extremely out of place. Up horseshoe bend was Brukners which is thick wooded area I would think better for dumping and even along 55 further would have been better spots so whomever dumped did not know the area or was seriously panicking. Going to greenlee seems odd because it's not directly off 55 and it is "out in the boons" but like I said, not a good spot for secluded dumping either compared to ones nearby. I would think (because it has happened to me when I didn't have my GPS and first moved to the area) that the dumper might have been on those roads before otherwise get lost in the maze of fenner, greenlee, Wilson and horseshoe. Unless the dumper just dumped and turned around in the fellas driveway. The house is so far off the road. Plus if he wasn't moved in yet.
I was going to take pictures of the road just for reflections sake but there was a "monster truck" coming the other direction that I mostly had to stop completely to let pass me and another car that turned around in a driveway further down. I was getting the creeps and didn't want to seem like a creep myself so I just kept going.

Before I found this forum I was thinking of her physique, scars and braids and those eyebrows. It made me think she was a performer in a circus. An aerialist maybe. When I saw the study on her hair and the pollen it could match up with my theory. I've been searching circus newspapers for any clues or ties to BSG. I have found a few interesting things but I want to make sure I got something before posting.

 

[Alleykins]

The location is 1200 block of greenlee rd. East side of the road according to the investigator. So for the drop off, the vehicle would have been going north on greenlee... toward fenner and she then pushed out the passenger side into the ditch?
The fella that found her was buying the house on the other side of the road. It is a farm and it's still there with a long lane. His relatives still live in it (he moved a couple of years ago).
To get to greenlee this way from 75 take exit 73 troy/55 turn onto 55 west. You would drive "out to nowhere". There is "urban sprawl" now but back then it would have been all farm fields. Just in the 14 years I've been here the area has built up so much. If you are on 55 W, there come a point where it looks literally like it's going to take you no place. But oh then come horseshoe bend rd off to the right. It's like an escape! Veer to the right and you are on horseshoe bend road. The road is narrow. Barely enough room for two cars to pass. It's not freeway pavement or cement. It's country back road "chip and seal". Just a step up from gravel and dirt. A few houses but then more fields. And fields. There is a road to the right but it's all flat field as far as you can see so you might as well keep going. Then maybe warning signs about the "bends" in horseshoe bend rd? Not sure if they were there in 1981 but if you keep going you better be in a car shorter than a station wagon or you won't make the curves. Bruckners nature center (was it there in 1981?) is up the hill before "the bends". You could turn around there in the drive. But you may as well turn right onto greenlee. It has a nice enough name and a few trees. Fields and farm houses. It's April. A little chilly. The fields are bare. Maybe plowed ready for spring's first planting in a week or two. Drive always pass a farm on the right, no keep going, drive some more, fields and fields on both sides (there's new houses now but they weren't there then) oh coming up on a tree to the left and the fellas house he just bought oh that creek on the left has trees perfect "shade" drive a little more so out of view then dump on the right. Just in time almost to fenner. Turn right on fenner take it straight back to 55 turn left on 55 and in a couple hundred yards you are on 75.
A semi could not negotiate those roads or turns. If it would have tried it would have looked extremely out of place. Up horseshoe bend was Brukners which is thick wooded area I would think better for dumping and even along 55 further would have been better spots so whomever dumped did not know the area or was seriously panicking. Going to greenlee seems odd because it's not directly off 55 and it is "out in the boons" but like I said, not a good spot for secluded dumping either compared to ones nearby. I would think (because it has happened to me when I didn't have my GPS and first moved to the area) that the dumper might have been on those roads before otherwise get lost in the maze of fenner, greenlee, Wilson and horseshoe. Unless the dumper just dumped and turned around in the fellas driveway. The house is so far off the road. Plus if he wasn't moved in yet.
I was going to take pictures of the road just for reflections sake but there was a "monster truck" coming the other direction that I mostly had to stop completely to let pass me and another car that turned around in a driveway further down. I was getting the creeps and didn't want to seem like a creep myself so I just kept going.

Before I found this forum I was thinking of her physique, scars and braids and those eyebrows. It made me think she was a performer in a circus. An aerialist maybe. When I saw the study on her hair and the pollen it could match up with my theory. I've been searching circus newspapers for any clues or ties to BSG. I have found a few interesting things but I want to make sure I got something before posting.

If you go back a few months on this thread, you will find information on previous circus searches.

 

[DaisyChains]

Not to be a Debbie Downer but in April in Ohio there would be no crops or produce. Normally June to October is when they're harvested. There are two things farms are selling and hauling from October through June in Ohio. Hay and straw. By April farmers are really pushing to get the hay and straw sold to make room for the new season's harvest.

This might suggest even further that maybe she was involved in motorcycling? Again the hair reminds me of this. Who knows... maybe someone ripped her off for her bike. Jmo


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