GUILTY OK - Christopher Lane, 22, Australian, slain in thrill killing, Duncan, 16 Aug 2013

[HMSHood]

It was ignored in the media for a few weeks, but it did become a huge national story before President Obama made his comment. The entire country knew who Trayvon was before Pres. Obama said his name.

It got bigger on top of it growing.

 

[Jersey*Girl]

That's one heckuvan amazing point ya have there HMS. Those of us that followed the Shaniya Davis case took note that it was the most major time in which such a horrible crime was able to bring awareness to all races and creeds. Not only did it bring human trafficking to the forefront, but it brought child sex abuse, parental neglect, druggie parents being involved in their kids lives - etc - to EVERYONE's eyes. That mom was a ! I'd honestly thought that would be something our POTUS would address.

 

[sherbetjello]

It's hard, especially in areas that are poor and from broken homes, to say parenting starts at home. I know that some of us are fortunate enough to stay with our children at night, or even all day, and see that as the fundamental way to teach our children (and I agree, maybe it is.)

However, the modeling, or lack there-of, of the family structures in low income areas leaves much more to be desired. We can not force the father to be involved, or the mothers to make more money as head of household so she can be there more often than not. Some things really are that far out of the hands of the parents.

http://www.urban.org/publications/900832.html

Again, I've said it before and I've heard the lines that its just wishful thinking, but...

If we stopped prosecuting harmless drug offenses, like weed, and took that money spent on prosecution and arrest, and funneled that money into building parks or recreation centers that had equipment like computers, books, and people that care.. I will bet 100 dollars that 7 out of 10 kids that walk through that door will be able to see they can be more than the cards they have been dealt.

http://www.alternet.org/story/47815/pot_prisoners_cost_americans_$1_billion_a_year/

There is a way, it's not wishful thinking. I have seen it in areas of Los Angeles where neighboring cities went up in arms wondering why we even go into these areas to try and help, because, well, "they are just going to destroy it anyways."

These areas are not filled with animals, there are children there. Lots of them, and yes some families do have kids to stay on government help. Starving in these areas leads to, well, again, crime.

We cannot keep punishing the children for the fathers sin. I think as a community we have to really think better than that.

National discussion is great, I just don't know where my voice will be heard on issues of race. Does my voice even matter in the national debate, and what will it do? Will it bring together, or be more divide? (That's a serious question to ask ourselves.)

I'd rather my voice be local saying "Yes, we need to go in and give these children/teens another option than believing they have to carry a gun and act like a ." Maybe even the idea "hey, if we have this center built, is it possible that we can create a music studio so they can start making their own music?"

Imagine if any of these teens involved in this case had that opportunity to really produce something they were proud of, something tangible, like a song or that music video. Think they would have ruined their chance at being productive and potentially wealthy?

We can all talk all day long about this issue, I do believe there is one so I don't want anyone confused on my stance. However, we have to start finding SOLUTIONS to go with it. We can't just pull out the reverse racism card because we are only going to reduce, reuse and recycle the problem(s).

It's time to act.

http://npe.educationnews.org/Review/Articles/v6n1.htm


[EDIT: THIS DOESN'T MEAN I UNDERSTAND WHY THESE TEENS COMMITTED THIS CRIME. I auto eject my sympathy/empathy from crimes like this because murder is murder. I still believe that there are chances to stop a dramatic number of stories like this if young adults are given the chance to thrive. That view will never, ever change.]

 

[Gardenlady]

Trayvon had a huge outcry because it was going to be swept under the rug, not even investigated at first.

But kill a white man, and everyone is up in arms. Look how fast this case is handled. When a black man dies, no one cares, there is often no pressure to resolve the issue swiftly or, depending on where it happens, at all.

And now this poor man's death is already being used by the usual conservative loudmouths to "prove" something. And to cry about being "oppressed" by "political correctness" (read: I can't spout my racist garbage because I might get called on it).

The thinly veiled racism in this thread is astounding. I've no doubt that my post will be deleted yet again. Because apparently it's okay to hint around that "certain subcultures" (read:blacks, or even "animals", as I've seen here) are prone to violence (bolstered by prison statistics that take absolutely nothing into consideration about institutional racism, profiling, harsher sentences for black men, etc), but it's not okay to post the other side of the coin.

Maybe the mods should ask people of color here how they feel about some of these posts that are allowed to stand on this thread. I get snipped and told that posters are allowed to feel how they feel, but if I point out how a post makes ME feel, that's too bad, I guess.

 

[HMSHood]

That's one heckuvan amazing point ya have there HMS. Those of us that followed the Shaniya Davis case took note that it was the most major time in which such a horrible crime was able to bring awareness to all races and creeds. Not only did it bring human trafficking to the forefront, but it brought child sex abuse, parental neglect, druggie parents being involved in their kids lives - etc - to EVERYONE's eyes. That mom was a ! I'd honestly thought that would be something our POTUS would address.

The Shaniya Davis case has really bothered me a great deal. No matter how you spin it, it is really sickening. Who in their right mind sells their own child???????? uke:

I first heard of this case from this site.
http://pysih.com/2009/11/25/antoinette-nicole-davis-and-mario-andrette-mcneill/

Even the owner was really appalled by it. They ought to be sharing a cell with Jerry Sandusky and Ariel Castro. :stormingmad:

Anyways, Chris Lane and Shaniya Davis case make me sick.

 

[Gardenlady]

Oh, and I almost forgot - we've already arrived at the "It's all Obama's fault!" moment.

The Internet needs an update to Godwin's law about Hitler. You can name it after me - Gardenlady's law: If something bad is reported in the news, you lose the argument automatically if you resort to invoking Obama. You lose twice if the news involves a person of color.

 

[Jersey*Girl]

The Shaniya Davis case has really bothered me a great deal. No matter how you spin it, it is really sickening. Who in their right mind sells their own child???????? uke:

I first heard of this case from this site.
http://pysih.com/2009/11/25/antoinette-nicole-davis-and-mario-andrette-mcneill/

Even the owner was really appalled by it. They ought to be sharing a cell with Jerry Sandusky and Ariel Castro. :stormingmad:

Anyways, Chris Lane and Shaniya Davis case make me sick.

I wanted to march on Capital Hill to demand awareness and new laws. It's sickening how much bad is in this world. It's so sad.

 

[gxm]

Trayvon had a huge outcry because it was going to be swept under the rug, not even investigated at first.

But kill a white man, and everyone is up in arms. Look how fast this case is handled. When a black man dies, no one cares, there is often no pressure to resolve the issue swiftly or, depending on where it happens, at all.

And now this poor man's death is already being used by the usual conservative loudmouths to "prove" something. And to cry about being "oppressed" by "political correctness" (read: I can't spout my racist garbage because I might get called on it).

The thinly veiled racism in this thread is astounding. I've no doubt that my post will be deleted yet again. Because apparently it's okay to hint around that "certain subcultures" (read:blacks, or even "animals", as I've seen here) are prone to violence (bolstered by prison statistics that take absolutely nothing into consideration about institutional racism, profiling, harsher sentences for black men, etc), but it's not okay to post the other side of the coin.

Maybe the mods should ask people of color here how they feel about some of these posts that are allowed to stand on this thread. I get snipped and told that posters are allowed to feel how they feel, but if I point out how a post makes ME feel, that's too bad, I guess.

BBM.

IMO, the reason this case has received so much attention is because Christopher Lane was Australian, and his murder became an international incident. David Sanducci was shot to death two weeks ago and his murder did not make the headlines. Most murders, regardless of race, rarely make the national news.

http://www.wmctv.com/story/23130210/family-friends-grieve-loss-of-murdered-nurse

 

[oyeyemi808]

There is anger because many sense a great double standard. They do not know where or how to channel their anger because they are not permitted to tell THEIR side of the "national story." If they try, they are branded, ridiculed, and shut down.

Would someone care to explain the double standard in the media with this case everyones talking about but not talking about?

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[TrackerSam]

Mods, delete this if inappropriate, but it is what is being said in the comments everywhere. It is the elephant in the living room. We just had a national orgy of emotion over that tragedy in Fla....the out cry on one side was over "profiling." but we are "forbidden" because it might hurt someone....to talk about the crime statistics behind the fear. ...behind the so-called profiling.

This case and the poor elderly man beaten to death with flashlights...it is a continuation of the TM conversation. The President felt the need to weigh in then...but in this second half of the conversation, he chooses not to.

And he jumped right into Sgt.Crowley which led to the beer summit.
Here they didn't see nuttin, didn't hear nuttin, don't know nuttin.

 

[Jersey*Girl]

Oh, and I almost forgot - we've already arrived at the "It's all Obama's fault!" moment.

The Internet needs an update to Godwin's law about Hitler. You can name it after me - Gardenlady's law: If something bad is reported in the news, you lose the argument automatically if you resort to invoking Obama. You lose twice if the news involves a person of color.

Gardenlady, I almost always agree with you...but you sort of lost me here. What do you mean by "It's all Obama's fault!"? I can only speak for myself and I don't think it's Obama's fault at all. It's 3 idiot kids' fault. With every single president, there will always be differing opinions of what he/she does right vs wrong. Some things people wish would be addressed. After all, it is we the people that vote our president into office. I don't agree on the color issue. I think it should be equal all the way around. Skin color should never play a factor, not ever.

This case has color all over it bc of what James Edwards has all over his social media. He absolutely spewed hatred. It's awful.

 

[Gardenlady]

BBM.

IMO, the reason this case has received so much attention is because Christopher Lane was Australian, and his murder became an international incident. David Sanducci was shot to death two weeks ago and his murder did not make the headlines. Most murders, regardless of race, rarely make the national news.

http://www.wmctv.com/story/23130210/family-friends-grieve-loss-of-murdered-nurse

But that isn't what everyone is talking about in this thread, is it? Or in the comments under the articles (which one ore more posters here have pointed to to show that people are sick of something... Sick of what? Black people?).

Because have you read much of the comments? They're all about race. Not about this man being Australian.

 

[gxm]

Oh, and I almost forgot - we've already arrived at the "It's all Obama's fault!" moment.

The Internet needs an update to Godwin's law about Hitler. You can name it after me - Gardenlady's law: If something bad is reported in the news, you lose the argument automatically if you resort to invoking Obama. You lose twice if the news involves a person of color.

I don't think anyone is saying that the Lane murder is Obama's fault. I think they are pointing out his seeming bias in which murder cases he chooses to make comments on.

 

[Jersey*Girl]

BBM.

IMO, the reason this case has received so much attention is because Christopher Lane was Australian, and his murder became an international incident. David Sanducci was shot to death two weeks ago and his murder did not make the headlines. Most murders, regardless of race, rarely make the national news.

http://www.wmctv.com/story/23130210/family-friends-grieve-loss-of-murdered-nurse

Exactly. Plus it became huge so fast bc of our gun freedom laws.

 

[eileenhawkeye]

BBM.

IMO, the reason this case has received so much attention is because Christopher Lane was Australian, and his murder became an international incident. David Sanducci was shot to death two weeks ago and his murder did not make the headlines. Most murders, regardless of race, rarely make the national news.

http://www.wmctv.com/story/23130210/family-friends-grieve-loss-of-murdered-nurse

Not only was he Australian, but he was also a college baseball player. The media likes to report on victims who have an identifier about them that will bring in viewers. I remember when Chelsea King went missing, the media kept mentioning that she was a high school track star, for instance.

 

[Gardenlady]

Gardenlady, I almost always agree with you...but you sort of lost me here. What do you mean by "It's all Obama's fault!"? I can only speak for myself and I don't think it's Obama's fault at all. It's 3 idiot kids' fault. With every single president, there will always be differing opinions of what he/she does right vs wrong. Some things people wish would be addressed. After all, it is we the people that vote our president into office. I don't agree on the color issue. I think it should be equal all the way around. Skin color should never play a factor, not ever.

This case has color all over it bc of what James Edwards has all over his social media. He absolutely spewed hatred. It's awful.

Maybe he commented on Trayvon because it is a personal issue for him, being a man of color? Because the president (any president) is in a unique position to be able speak on issues, and we have never had a person of color in the white house who can share his unique experiences with being profiled?

 

[oyeyemi808]

Funny thing about Trayvon Martin, it started just as a small crime blotter in an newspaper. It blew after President Obama made a comment. Now, I wonder why Obama never weighed in about Shaniya Davis as it involved human trafficking.

Wow.......just.........

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[Jersey*Girl]

But that isn't what everyone is talking about in this thread, is it? Or in the comments under the articles (which one ore more posters here have pointed to to show that people are sick of something... Sick of what? Black people?).

Because have you read much of the comments? They're all about race. Not about this man being Australian.

What people are posting in those comments should be illegal. I cannot understand how that stuff can be allowed.

What most people posting here I thought was in reference to James Edwards racism that he himself posted in his own words on his social media. There's a difference.

Or are you referring to people talking about or inferring some sort of a divide? I personally will never take sides in a racial divide bc there's no win - only loss for both sides. I'm 100% against racism.

 

[gxm]

But that isn't what everyone is talking about in this thread, is it? Or in the comments under the articles (which one ore more posters here have pointed to to show that people are sick of something... Sick of what? Black people?).

Because have you read much of the comments? They're all about race. Not about this man being Australian.

The case first made headlines due to the international aspect and the fact that the Australian news is giving this case extensive coverage. The race aspect came into play when JE's racist comments became known. IMO, and I'm just speculating, much of the anger you are seeing is about the double-standard that allows discussion of racial factors only when it involves white-on-black crime.

 

[oyeyemi808]

As I read the comments here on this post today, very telling. Seems some youths get a pass and certain ones Don't.

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