GUILTY OK - Christopher Lane, 22, Australian, slain in thrill killing, Duncan, 16 Aug 2013

[SapphireSteel]

If he was Aboriginal, it's highly unlikely he would have been in the US on a baseball scholarship in the first place. Such is the disadvantage of many Aboriginal people. I find that an offensive and racist comparison to make here.

And I find your statement offensive and racist!

Where I live Aboriginals are just like the rest of us :banghead: They go to school, walk in straight lines, get scholarships, succeed and thrive.

It is the government who treats them differently, routinely spending excessive amounts of money for one group of Australians only. It's reverse racism, and it's not perpetuated by the Aboriginals themselves, more like White Guilt and really not comparable to any other country.

It's not good to marginalise a minority, but its possibly even worse to treat them like incompetent babies at every level, in our multicultural society.

Anyway, totally off topic. Thankfully we don't have a gun per head of population here unlike the states, that might have more relevance to this murder than the color of anyone's skin.

:cow:

 

[Ausgirl]

I was, incidentally, watching a Louis Theroux documentary the other day, about life in a Miami prison. Pretty eye-opening stuff for an Aussie..

Anyway, he was interviewing a few of the prisoners, including one 14 yo boy who was already walking a path much akin to these young men who shot Chris. He was so very hardened and bitter.. but Louis has a way of getting people to open up a bit, and now and then you could see glimpses of the vulnerable child inside this young offender, who just knew no other way of thinking or being. Older prisoners said as much as the gang was their parent growing up, as they had no other to rely on.. Heart-breaking stuff... given good role models and a reason to build self-esteem, that 14 yo might have chosen a very different road.

Given the enormity of social degeneration, maybe instead of spending trillions on new and improved ways of killing and minding everyone else's political business, those resources would be better spent healing and shoring up the future foundations of the nation. And not just in the US, I mean.

Sorry, derailing again a little bit. It's just terrible to my mind, that children anywhere could choose to take a life so worthwhile, and live lives themselves that by choice and default mostly are not.

But far worse that a nation's leaders can sit back and watch it all spiralling down, and do so very little meaningful work to fix it.

 

[Jersey*Girl]

Oklahoma's Youthful Offender Act

The idea behind the youthful offender act was to get tougher on teenagers who commit violent crimes than we used to, when they were only handled in the juvenile system. However, it was also to give them a chance to be rehabilitated, instead of sending them to adult prison, where they'd likely just turn into hard-core criminals.

http://www.newson6.com/story/7645766/oklahomas-youthful-offender-law?clienttype=printable

Thank you for this! Very informative & answers my question. :tyou:

 

[Jersey*Girl]

What does being short have to do with anything? Napoleon was short.

You're right, nothing. I'm just trying to dissect everything that I can. Shouldn't have brought it up.

 

[Jersey*Girl]

They got a gun from someone. I'm hoping that LE is trying to find out where they were able to get ahold of a gun and go after the person responsible for giving it to them. Unless it was stolen by them I would hope the person who provided them with the weapon gets charged as well. jmo

LambChop, the gunman is officially in the system now...as an adult. Getting my screen caps together now & I'll post it. :websleuther: (Always wanted to use that one.)

 

[Jersey*Girl]

Looks like CAL is definitely charged as an adult. It's in the official court records now. If he was charged as a juvenile, it would only show his initials (if anything at all).

Go here and enter surname, first name:
http://www1.odcr.com/

 

[squish]

If the races were reversed, this would be an international story and classed as a hate crime. I'm sorry, but it probably IS about race. The statistics on inter-racial hate crimes speak for themselves, and are reflected in other multi-cultural countries. There is a huge problem of GENUINE (as in where people get hurt, not race-card playing) anti-white racism in the world, but you get made into a pariah for mentioning it, especially by outraged whites who want to prove how not-racist they are.

 

[Jersey*Girl]

I personally think the drama needs to stay out of this. The media was responsible for the entire fiasco regarding the TM case. It was despicable. What kind of people are we if we retaliate? What kind of people are we if we didn't like what happened in the TM case so we try to do the same in this case bc the colors are opposite? Aren't we supposed to learn from our mistakes? These kids did something horrible to Chris Lane - they killed him! I could care less if they were green with one eye and silver teeth growing from their head. In order to heal from racism, one needs to take a stand and not become part of the problem.

 

[Jersey*Girl]

I say this all the time: When a victim becomes a perpetrator, they are no longer the victim. Words to live by.

 

[ArianeEmory]

I agree. Turning this into a referendum on GZ/TM is just going to get the thread closed.

 

[Jersey*Girl]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...4f5dd4-092d-11e3-89fe-abb4a5067014_story.html

Christopher Lane - Peace Be With You

 

[Ausgirl]

I say this all the time: When a victim becomes a perpetrator, they are no longer the victim. Words to live by.

JG, respectfully - I am not sure what you mean by this, in this context.

I think it's right these young men should pay the full price for murder. No argument there.

But I can't help taking a compassionate view of all those other young men out there who WILL one day take up a gun and kill out of boredom or anger or machismo, or whatever.. As the sum total of their life experiences and influences may have led them there --- it's hard to make a good choice, when you feel you haven't any, or choice is limited, a violent life is desirable, and already mapped out..

I can't help feeling sad for children whose minds are geared from birth to work that way. Criminals, in general.. when whole sections of a nation are identifying with a criminal way of life, it shows there's a sickness in the nation itself.

 

[HMSHood]

Sherbertjello thanks for the post above. I have heard that on the tele over here a couple of times that they wanted to be like the "gangstas".

I just want to say that I am really sick of these "gangstas" being revered as role models by youth.

Believe me it is not only in the US, your society has a really big influence on the rest of the world because you are dominant in music and tv shows. ESPECIALLY here in Australia. In fact a lot of musicians etc that come here and like it describe it as being like the US 20 or 30 years ago.

We see the kids here dressing like gangstas and wanting to be like the ones they see on the tv and mostly music clips. It is cool to be "bad " you might say.

I personally can not understand it. I see some of "musicians" that are huge and have been in gangs etc prior as just scum, and the woman wanting to be there "biatches" is just awful.

I am trying to direct my boys to better role models, but who I don't know.

Also I will mention that I am up in the north of queensland, north of Australia which has a large aboriginal and islander (torres strait, pacific islands) population. We are having a massive juvenile crime problem here with mostly stealing cars and breaking into peoples homes. Thankfully no guns are involved. But they have started wearing the hoodies and forming gangs and trying to be "badass" like what they are seeing on the tele.

I don't want to play the race card but are just telling you a realistic fact as to what is happening here.

The kids of the world need a complete change of attitude as to who are there role models!

As an American, I do not like the "Gangsta" culture. Most Americans do not like it either.

 

[Jersey*Girl]

As an American, I do not like the "Gangsta" culture. Most Americans do not like it either.

I despise it.

 

[Jersey*Girl]

MJ is now in the system but it definitely says YOUTHFUL OFFENDER (under Type Of Case once his record is pulled up) so he's definitely charged as a juvenile being tried in an adult court bc of the severity of this crime. Again, charged as a juvenile. So I'm not going to screencap his info.

It can be found by going here:
http://www1.odcr.com

Select A Court = Stephens

Name = Last, First

Type Of Case = Criminal Felony Proceedings

Activity Date = August 20, 2013

 

[LambChop]

First friendly reminder: Please stay off the Florida case of the young teen unless you want to see your post do a disappearing act. It is still on the "let's not go there" list. You all know the one we mean so let's just stay away from starting up a discussion, shall we. Otherwise Lamy has to pull out her magic wand, allakhazam....it's history.

 

[jjenny]

MJ is now in the system but it definitely says YOUTHFUL OFFENDER (under Type Of Case once his record is pulled up) so he's definitely charged as a juvenile being tried in an adult court bc of the severity of this crime. Again, charged as a juvenile. S I'm not going to screencap his info.

It can be found by going here:
http://www1.odcr.com

Select A Court = Stephens

Name = Last, First

Type Of Case = Criminal Felony Proceedings

Activity Date = August 20, 2013

Sounds like he got this youthful offender status by being the one who spilled the beans.
Because, frankly, what he is alleged to have done doesn't sound like an "accessory after the fact" to me. Accessory after the fact would be picking the two up after the crime. Being there during the crime is not "after the fact."

 

[Jersey*Girl]

JE still not in the system yet, unless I'm overlooking it...

 

[Ausgirl]

.. where did my post go? It wasn't offensive. I got a screen about needing approval..?

 

[Jersey*Girl]

.. where did my post go? It wasn't offensive. I got a screen about needing approval..?

Maybe you timed out while typing it? That's happened to me before.