GUILTY OK - Christopher Lane, 22, Australian, slain in thrill killing, Duncan, 16 Aug 2013

[oh_gal]

They're punks. I really wish they'd just string them up and make examples of them. Good riddance. Sorry if that seems harsh. Wait...no I'm not.

 

[Reality Orlando]

Well, from your link, we have this:



Now, they fit one, and three, and you could make a case for two.

But four and five? I don't think they fit here.

There has to be more than just "and association of three people" to meet the definition of gang. Otherwise any three random people could make up a gang. I'd think that would be way too overly broad. :twocents:

I'd say shooting an innocent man in cold blood qualifies as #5 "an elevated level of criminal activity."

 

[defense101]

Having looked at most of their social media and that of their cohorts, it's clear that they really, really wanted to be legit crips and had at least some access to the real deal. For me, it doesn't really matter whether they were or they weren't except as it maybe pertains to their motivation. But mostly it's just a fact of the situation. I would say that illegal guns, stacks of hundred dollar bills, smoking weed on the daily and a juvenile rap sheet (verified for lilbuggy) is most definitely evidence of increased criminal activity. Especially when one is 15. And that's only the part that is available to the public from his own social media. jmo

I smoked weed at 15 hung out with 7 girls (sisters) did have access to a bbgun, stole ciggies from a local store, did so many things I am embarrassed over, it still never occurred to me to kill anything. I had a ***** of an upbringing not one that anyone would want to endure, but once again it never ever occurred to me to kill anything, this is in them, whether its the desensitizing of taking a life that we see in media now I don't know. Anyone my age will remember when In Cold Blood came out, we were not allowed to watch it, snuck around the corner of the stairs and watched a bit of it as a kid was appalled , saw the drunken man across the street kill a cat with a hammer, once again appalled, the value of any life these days is so taken for granted, it makes me sick. Look at JA look at all spouses that want a divorce who instead of going through the process of divorce they deem it easier to take the life of their spouse. Its the value of human life that we need to teach our kids. We always say that we are so much better than what goes on in the Arab countries, and growing up my dad always said they have no value for human life, well sadly that is what this country is descending into, whether it be gun laws, up bringing, media, I don't know but something has to change IMO

 

[Hopeful One]

I'm not trying to be ignorant, but why is it acceptable to put black on white as a tag on this thread? That is so sad. I can't help it, it's so wrong.

I agree.

And until people (media is big on this) stop labeling such as "black teenagers killed a white man," that will never go away. How about "teenagers killed a man." Who cares if they're black, white, brown, or purple?? I don't get it. A life is a life is a life.

 

[Gardenlady]

I'd say shooting an innocent man in cold blood qualifies as #5 "an elevated level of criminal activity."

So anytime any group of three or more kills a person they are automatically elevated to "gang" status? :waitasec:

I'm fairly certain that #5 refers to ongoing activity, not one incident.

 

[gxm]

I agree.

And until people (media is big on this) stop labeling such as "black teenagers killed a white man," that will never go away. How about "teenagers killed a man." Who cares if they're black, white, brown, or purple?? I don't get it. A life is a life is a life.

I'm guessing it's because of JE's racist tweets.

 

[Hopeful One]

I'm guessing it's because of JE's racist tweets.

Even so, that doesn't mean they killed Chris because he was white. What does that even matter, unless it comes out later that that WAS the reason, why does color have to be included in media reports? Seems to me it's only to fuel a fire but the media would never do such a thing. :sigh:

 

[Karmady]

I smoked weed at 15 hung out with 7 girls (sisters) did have access to a bbgun, stole ciggies from a local store, did so many things I am embarrassed over, it still never occurred to me to kill anything. I had a ***** of an upbringing not one that anyone would want to endure, but once again it never ever occurred to me to kill anything, this is in them, whether its the desensitizing of taking a life that we see in media now I don't know. Anyone my age will remember when In Cold Blood came out, we were not allowed to watch it, snuck around the corner of the stairs and watched a bit of it as a kid was appalled , saw the drunken man across the street kill a cat with a hammer, once again appalled, the value of any life these days is so taken for granted, it makes me sick. Look at JA look at all spouses that want a divorce who instead of going through the process of divorce they deem it easier to take the life of their spouse. Its the value of human life that we need to teach our kids. We always say that we are so much better than what goes on in the Arab countries, and growing up my dad always said they have no value for human life, well sadly that is what this country is descending into, whether it be gun laws, up bringing, media, I don't know but something has to change IMO

No offense intended (really), but comparing a group of sisters who do naughty or even bad and wrong things is not at all like these teens -- whether or not they were or were on their way to becoming actual crips. Like I said above, I don't "blame" gangs for creating this behavior. That's on the individual. Gangs just provide a structure for it and encourage it so that it's harder to combat (for society) or overcome (for an individual who might have gotten involved out of fear or who has since turned himself around). And they do it for all kinds of personal gain -- money, drugs and sex primarily and the "prestige" that comes with that amongst others of their ilk and the fear they instill in those who are not of their ilk. Same as the Cosa Nostra, really. I, too, did bad things when I was a teenager. And I did them in groups. I, too, never considered killing anyone, or even hurting anyone. But I had family members (and knew many, many of their friends) who were in actual gangs. They had no trouble committing crimes, including killing people. Yes, we were different in our hearts and minds. I collected with my non-threatening "gang" and they collected with their extremely threatening gang.

These teens were, imo, actual or on-the-cusp gang members and, at the same time, very bad people (with or without gang credentials). I don't think talking about both is mutually exclusive.

I guess I'm not sure what we disagree about here--or even whether we do -- or if disagreement was even part of your post lol

 

[otto]

It's weird that when the victim and criminal are of different races, people focus on the race. I kind of think that viewpoint might be more common in the US.

It's a fact that if I hadn't read anything about "race" on this thread, I would be oblivious to that perspective of the case.

 

[teedie2]

I agree.

And until people (media is big on this) stop labeling such as black teenagers killed a white man," that will never go away. How about "teenagers killed a man." Who cares if they're black, white, brown, or purple?? I don't get it. A life is a life is a life.

(BBM)

But, that is what occurred. Ignoring it doesn't change what happened one iota.

Race is just a detail of the news report. It isn't necessary to repeat it over and over and over, IMO.

 

[otto]

(BBM)

But, that is what occurred. Ignoring it doesn't change what happened one iota.

Race is just a detail of the news report. It isn't necessary to repeat it over and over and over, IMO.

It makes sense to identify the race of an unknown suspect, but if the suspect is known, what is the point of identifying the suspect's race?

 

[TrackerSam]

You might think, based on sensationalist news media reporting, that urban areas are more dangerous, but you'd be wrong:

http://www.annemergmed.com/webfiles/images/journals/ymem/FA-5548.pdf

This counts all injurys and deaths( accidental and otherwise) not just that caused by violent crime. Alot of these no doubt resulted from how far the nearest hospital was.

 

[Karmady]

It makes sense to identify the race of an unknown suspect, but if the suspect is known, what is the point of identifying the suspect's race?

I don't know, but there are race-based statistics kept on crime. As well as based on gender, socio-economic status, etc. So I guess some people think it might be relevant somehow. In this particular case, the killers WERE initially identified only as teenagers and their pictures were not provided except by the Australian press (which got them 1/3 wrong!). Maybe the US press changed it up once those reports came out? idk

 

[sherbetjello]

I think race plays a part based on the issues within intercity crimes; think the city Chicago.

I think knowing that there is a breakdown somewhere, somehow (not placing blame), its important as a country to start speaking about it, all of us. We need to create places and activities that take these children, young men and women, that think all they have is the "way of the streets" and give them more. That give them something tangible to respect themselves so they can learn they matter, that EVERYONE matters.

I am firm believer in the YMCA, parks, after school programs that enrich learning (stuff like free computer programs, or free language classes.) Gosh, there is so many more things that we can help with in these areas. We need to offer the next generation a glimmer of hope, or at least a hobby they can enjoy, so they don't get swept up in the tragic violence that occurs in these cities.

 

[gxm]

I'm curious what the hashtag "#HATE THEM" means? Is that just the tag twitter users use for the things (or people) they don't like?

 

[defense101]

(BBM)

But, that is what occurred. Ignoring it doesn't change what happened one iota.

Race is just a detail of the news report. It isn't necessary to repeat it over and over and over, IMO.

"90% of white ppl are nasty. #HATE THEM".. Ayeee I knocced out 5 woods since Zimmerman court! lol ***** ima keep sleepin *****! #ayeeee."

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/...s-lane8217s-life/story-fnii5smq-1226700172461

 

[Jersey*Girl]

It's weird that when the victim and criminal are of different races, people focus on the race. I kind of think that viewpoint might be more common in the US.

It's a fact that if I hadn't read anything about "race" on this thread, I would be oblivious to that perspective of the case.

(BBM)

But, that is what occurred. Ignoring it doesn't change what happened one iota.

Race is just a detail of the news report. It isn't necessary to repeat it over and over and over, IMO.

It makes sense to identify the race of an unknown suspect, but if the suspect is known, what is the point of identifying the suspect's race?

I agree, I don't think race should be included in the title of media articles, but in their defense I believe they're doing that bc it becomes apparent once they review these perps social media. There's alot of racist stuff made by these perps.

 

[TrackerSam]

This counts all injurys and deaths( accidental and otherwise) not just that caused by violent crime. Alot of these no doubt resulted from how far the nearest hospital was.

Let me clarify, the reason for this study was to bolster emergency response in rural areas. It makes sense - the further you are from urban areas the slower the response will be. To suggest that violent crime increases proportionately - the further you are from an urban center, is ludicrous.

 

[defense101]

Just because its black and white defendants and victim doesn't make it racist, its the posts done by Edwards that make it racist. I would be investigating other white death crimes in the area IMO

 

[Ravynne]

Omg a freaking tattoo that says HILLSIDE NEIGHBORHOOD CRIP is not just some stupid kid wanna be gangbanger flashing hand signals/signs. Just sayin'...

Hey JG,

I was wondering what article this is from. I read them but I must have overlooked this. Link would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you muchly!