GUILTY OK - Christopher Lane, 22, Australian, slain in thrill killing, Duncan, 16 Aug 2013

[defense101]

The teen who went into Sandy Hook was a very sick person and was prepared to die in the process. These teens are not sick, not mentally ill. They are somewhat delusional thinking they could get away with it. They appear to be highly desensitized, or at least two of them. I'd say one is the leader and the other two just followed along. Who thinks to kill your friend because they won't join your gang? We've seen this type of personality in the courtrooms over the past few years. They are just evil. The families know what they are dealing with. They have to know that if they feel there is a problem with their child that there is somewhere they can go to get help before the child kills someone. I can't believe the family did not know that one of them had that potential. jmo

Some one who agree's with me, except that they didn't kill a friend. And delusion gives them some excuse, no way. Gang crap its a wanna be crap shoot, where have we seen this wanna be crap before um in another case where they are going to throw race around.

 

[momrids6]

Well,I'm on welfare. I've been on it a while and will probably be for the rest of my life.

My mother was on welfare too, come to think of it.

Guess that makes me -- what? Someone to be sneered at? An inept parent?

.....idk

I am talking about US welfare for able bodied individuals that choose that as their primary income source as long as humanly possible.

I think everyone is capable of realizing there are exceptions- and that I am not discussing every single solitary person on welfare, or has a problem child, etc etc. without me having to state it explicitly.

 

[Jersey*Girl]

Ok guys - here's something wonderful...

http://bigpondnews.com/articles/TopStories/2013/08/23/Fund_for_Chris_Lane_nears_112000_899328.html

Fund for Chris Lane nears $130,000
Friday, August 23, 2013 » 11:09am

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An online fund set up by a mate of murdered Australian Chris Lane to help pay for funeral expenses has been deluged with almost $US120,000 ($A130,000) in donations from people around the world.

When Marshall Veal, who played baseball with Mr Lane in Oklahoma, set up the fund, the goal was to raise $US15,000.

The money was to be used to pay for the cost of Mr Lane's parents, Peter and Donna, to fly to Oklahoma, pick up his body and take it back to Melbourne for the funeral.

However, the generosity will likely make it possible to set up a Christopher Lane Foundation.

 

[Softail]

Ok guys - here's something wonderful...

http://bigpondnews.com/articles/TopStories/2013/08/23/Fund_for_Chris_Lane_nears_112000_899328.html

Fund for Chris Lane nears $130,000
Friday, August 23, 2013 » 11:09am

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An online fund set up by a mate of murdered Australian Chris Lane to help pay for funeral expenses has been deluged with almost $US120,000 ($A130,000) in donations from people around the world.

When Marshall Veal, who played baseball with Mr Lane in Oklahoma, set up the fund, the goal was to raise $US15,000.

The money was to be used to pay for the cost of Mr Lane's parents, Peter and Donna, to fly to Oklahoma, pick up his body and take it back to Melbourne for the funeral.

However, the generosity will likely make it possible to set up a Christopher Lane Foundation.

This is indeed good news! I like to hear the good news, when there is so much bad! Kind of refreshing! :great: I particularly like that it was set up by a "Mate". Good for him, and good for his family and friends!

 

[stmarysmead]

Years ago, teenagers were less "bored" because they worked in the summers and after school. If they couldn't get an offical job, they cut grass, babysat, etc. Who buys the video games, pays for the gas to ride around aimlessly in?

This is why they are bored...nothing is asked of these kids. They have computers, clothes, cars, gas in the tank...and never have to work.

So they get bored and kill dogs, and young men, and beat an elderly man to death, etc, etc, etc, etc.

 

[Jersey*Girl]

One of the biggest problems I think we have here in the states is too much freedom. There's a group for everything imaginable that will fight tooth & nail to make sure you can get away with anything. It's becoming unbearable.

 

[LambChop]

Some one who agree's with me, except that they didn't kill a friend. And delusion gives them some excuse, no way. Gang crap its a wanna be crap shoot, where have we seen this wanna be crap before um in another case where they are going to throw race around.

Being delusional is not an excuse for what they did. It's a fact. Normal teens just do not go out and shoot people without emotions. These are societies "throw away" children. They just do not get it and when they do end up getting it their life will be gone. It's as if there is some type of reward for what they have done. And they didn't kill their friend because they didn't get the chance. Someone turned them in. It's a start. Thank you Mr. Johnson. jmo

 

[defense101]

The teen who went into Sandy Hook was a very sick person and was prepared to die in the process. These teens are not sick, not mentally ill. They are somewhat delusional thinking they could get away with it. They appear to be highly desensitized, or at least two of them. I'd say one is the leader and the other two just followed along. Who thinks to kill your friend because they won't join your gang? We've seen this type of personality in the courtrooms over the past few years. They are just evil. The families know what they are dealing with. They have to know that if they feel there is a problem with their child that there is somewhere they can go to get help before the child kills someone. I can't believe the family did not know that one of them had that potential. jmo

But Lamb you don't know this, you don't know for sure how sick the SH killer was its an assumption, he is dead after all. I agree these kids are evil, and these damn families knew what they were dealing with, but did they deal with it all...no easier to let them run amok and do what they did. They are complicate IMO

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

One of the biggest problems I think we have here in the states is too much freedom. There's a group for everything imaginable that will fight tooth & nail to make sure you can get away with anything. It's becoming unbearable.

This case has nothing to do with freedom and more to do with 3 kids who had too much FREE TIME.

This is not a freedom issue this is a criminal issue. These boys had those guns illegally. No law was going to stop them if they are not going to follow it. No regulation is not going to keep guns out of criminals who want them.

 

[ArianeEmory]

I'm not trying to direct the conversation, but were any of these kids from "welfare" families? If not, why is welfare at issue? (Just don't want to see the thread locked if things get too politicized.)

 

[Jersey*Girl]

Looks like townsfolk may not believe the chief either...

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/world/2013/08/23/12/38/town-where-chris-lane-died-buys-up-guns

Town where Chris Lane died buys up guns
12:34pm August 23, 2013

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Fearful residents in the Oklahoma city where Australian Chris Lane was gunned down are buying up handguns to protect themselves.

One of Duncan's most popular gun shops, Danny's Gun & Pawn, is reporting a rise in sales of handguns.

Top of the shopping list is the Ruger LCP, a US-made, ultra-light .38 calibre pistol that can be carried in a purse or concealed on the body.

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Despite Duncan police chief Danny Ford denying gangs may have influenced the three boys - James Edwards, 15, Chancey Luna, 16, and Michael Jones, 17 - to randomly target Mr Lane and shoot him in the back as he jogged along a Duncan road, locals disagree.

They told AAP gangs are infiltrating the city and recruiting their youth.

 

[Ausgirl]

:grouphug: I'm not momrids6 but I've read enough of her posts through time here and think she was speaking in a general sense. Welfare is a big debate here in the states bc it's the people that work that pay for people on welfare and they just keep having more & more babies without trying to get a job. Here in the states, it comes out of the working man's paycheck.

Yeah, kind of a sore point with me, though. It's bad enough to not be able to work without reading over and over how lazy and crap people on welfare are. I'm sure it wasn't personal, but then again it rarely is. You know?

Scarlett -- exactly what I was saying upthread, in a roundabout way, by hating on Tim Fischer's opportunistic soapboxing. Gun control cannot apply to criminals directly - it can only limit the amount of legal weapons they have access to. Living in a nation where gun control is in effect, however -- I can tell you that shootings are few and far between these days. Gun crime is seen in a different light, as well, it's not "oh another one", iykwim? Not saying the US needs it, just that it did work here.

In this case, if they didn't have guns, I dare say they'd have knifed somebody instead. Only - not Chris, because up close he'd probably have been too intimidating for them, the little cowards.

 

[momrids6]

I'm not trying to direct the conversation, but were any of these kids from "welfare" families? If not, why is welfare at issue? (Just don't want to see the thread locked if things get too politicized.)

AE- that was only the last part of my rant. Basically I was discussing the lack of personal & parental responsibility that is evident is this case, irregardless of income base.

 

[stmarysmead]

A young man shot...dog thrown out of a moving car...elderly man beaten to death...lots of options and scenarios for violent minds.

If they had no gun...three on one...they could have beaten him to death. I'm thinking of the kids on the school bus...the child did not die...but it is all so similar.

Most of the media and the politicans will bury this story as soon as they can. There will be no "linkage", no societal messages, no metanarrative. Just shrug after shrug.

 

[Jersey*Girl]

This case has nothing to do with freedom and more to do with 3 kids who had too much FREE TIME.

This is not a freedom issue this is a criminal issue. These boys had those guns illegally. No law was going to stop them if they are not going to follow it. No regulation is not going to keep guns out of criminals who want them.

Scarlett, my post wasn't actually about these boys. It was in general as people were discussing several things.

 

[LambChop]

Well,I'm on welfare. I've been on it a while and will probably be for the rest of my life.

My mother was on welfare too, come to think of it.

Guess that makes me -- what? Someone to be sneered at? An inept parent?

.....idk

We have people on disability who are unable to work. We have people who are on unemployment because they can't find a job. Mom's on welfare are usually given 2 years to get on their feet, take classes for a job, etc. so they can work. The State usually helps them with childcare in some cases if they are not making enough money they are given food stamps. Not everyone has a well-paid job. It's hard when you have teens home alone and work. I did it and worried all the time that one would get into trouble but my husband's schedule was often flexible so he'd pop in unexpected to see what they were doing. Working mom's with teens need help because they can't be everywhere. For my own grandchildren, they are not permitted to ride with other teen drivers, they are home after school and parties are checked out before they attend and there is a curfew. Although if you ask the grandchildren they will tell you their parents are strict but they don't complain. Kids do want those boundaries so they are clear. And if you talk about hate around your kids they will carry that burden on their backs out that front door. It's a fact. jmo

 

[LambChop]

But Lamb you don't know this, you don't know for sure how sick the SH killer was its an assumption, he is dead after all. I agree these kids are evil, and these damn families knew what they were dealing with, but did they deal with it all...no easier to let them run amok and do what they did. They are complicate IMO

I'm from Connecticut and had friends who had children in the school at the time of the shooting. He was very sick and let's just leave it at that. jmo

 

[Mrs G Norris]

This case is so heartbreaking that I haven't posted at all, I don't believe in juveniles being tried as adults, or the DP, but I also don't believe in dangerous psychopaths being set free and living amongst us free to kill again. God only knows what needs to be done in order to stop this kind of stupid killing .. angry doesn't even go half way to describing the feelings people have about this case. Has this ignited any gun debates over in the US, or doesn't anybody even try to fix that problem anymore?

 

[ATasteOfHoney]

This case is so heartbreaking that I haven't posted at all, I don't believe in juveniles being tried as adults, or the DP, but I also don't believe in dangerous psychopaths being set free and living amongst us free to kill again. God only knows what needs to be done in order to stop this kind of stupid killing .. angry doesn't even go half way to describing the feelings people have about this case. Has this ignited any gun debates over in the US, or doesn't anybody even try to fix that problem anymore?

No, Mrs G......we're not at this time trying to debate the gun issue. Right now we are trying to figure out what causes these dangerous, youthful psychopaths.

 

[stmarysmead]

We desparately need to have a national conversation. But it cannot be one sided. For too long, with the support of the media, only one side gets heard.

But things are changing. Read the comments under articles in newsparers, left-leaning blogs, right-leaning blogs...there is a , a of backlash. I truly believe in the "brotherhood of man" but, like any family, if only ONE side dominates the conversation...if others are shut up with intimidation and "phrases"....nothing changes and problems compound.

We need to look at REAL crime statistics. We need to understand why people fear. Those crime statistics cause fear...fear causes "profiling." Profiling ends, not by DEMAND, but by changing the crime statistics.

It should not hurt anyone to say that. It is being said under all these articles. It is being FELT.

We need to save the children. Together...all of us together. But that means everyone gets to talk and everyone must listen.