GUILTY OK - Christopher Lane, 22, Australian, slain in thrill killing, Duncan, 16 Aug 2013

  • #541
This case is so heartbreaking that I haven't posted at all, I don't believe in juveniles being tried as adults, or the DP, but I also don't believe in dangerous psychopaths being set free and living amongst us free to kill again. God only knows what needs to be done in order to stop this kind of stupid killing .. angry doesn't even go half way to describing the feelings people have about this case. Has this ignited any gun debates over in the US, or doesn't anybody even try to fix that problem anymore?

Guns are not the problem. Who has them is the problem. I live in a rural area and there are zero deaths due to gunshots and there are a lot of guns here. Every farmer has more than one. They hunt and some live off the land. We have bears here and not the pic-a-nic basket kind of bears. Here they are responsible gun owners, all of them. The problem is the illegal ones. I hope they try to find out who gave these teens the guns and charge them with a crime. jmo
 
  • #542
We have people on disability who are unable to work. We have people who are on unemployment because they can't find a job. Mom's on welfare are usually given 2 years to get on their feet, take classes for a job, etc. so they can work. The State usually helps them with childcare in some cases if they are not making enough money they are given food stamps. Not everyone has a well-paid job. It's hard when you have teens home alone and work. I did it and worried all the time that one would get into trouble but my husband's schedule was often flexible so he'd pop in unexpected to see what they were doing. Working mom's with teens need help because they can't be everywhere. For my own grandchildren, they are not permitted to ride with other teen drivers, they are home after school and parties are checked out before they attend and there is a curfew. Although if you ask the grandchildren they will tell you their parents are strict but they don't complain. Kids do want those boundaries so they are clear. And if you talk about hate around your kids they will carry that burden on their backs out that front door. It's a fact. jmo


Interesting article in LA Times today: in many cases, WHY WORK?

http://www.latimes.com/opinion/commentary/la-oe-tanner-welfare-work-pay-20130822,0,3840208.story

In Washington, D.C., and 10 particularly generous states — Hawaii, Vermont, Connecticut, Massachusetts, New York, New Jersey, Rhode Island, Maryland, New Hampshire and California — these seven programs provide a mother with two young children an annual benefit worth more than $35,000 a year. The value of the package in a medium-level welfare state is $28,500.

That may sound low, but it's important to remember that welfare benefits are not taxed, whereas wages are. So to put the welfare benefit package in perspective, we calculated the amount of money our recipient would have to earn in pretax income to bring home an equal amount of money if she took a 40-hour-per-week job.

After computing the federal income tax, the state income tax and payroll taxes, as well as taking into account federal and state earned income tax credits and the child tax credit, we came to the inescapable conclusion that welfare pays very well.

In fact, in 33 states and the District of Columbia, welfare pays more than an $8-an-hour job [see chart]. In 12 states, including California, as well as the District of Columbia, the welfare package is more generous than a $15-an-hour job. In Hawaii, Massachusetts, Connecticut, New York, New Jersey, Rhode Island, Vermont and Washington, D.C., welfare pays more than a $20-an-hour job, or more than 2.75 times the minimum wage.
 
  • #543
And if you talk about hate around your kids they will carry that burden on their backs out that front door. It's a fact. jmo

^ This.

And sorry - as someone who lives on welfare (albeit not in the US) -- we can't get loans. We have a hard time finding and being approved for rentals...try renting anything, a TV, a washer, a car .. on welfare. Not easy, or not happening. I probably get more than somebody cooking fries in McDonald's but I also have far fewer opportunities. Life is way more limited. Oh yeah, and then there's the whole disability thing..

I am sure there are people who squeeze welfare for all they can and do so undeservedly, everywhere welfare exists. But if you're delving into an anti-welfare rant, please remember that there's posters here who don't live on it by choice and really do their best to get by responsibly, so blanket statement get a bit much sometimes, you know?
 
  • #544
But stmarysmead, big business media have their own agenda and all that work for them follow what their bosses want. They don't even report the news anymore so it seems. A perfect example is during elections, in specific presidential elections. So how could we trust the media to assist and facilitate a national conversation?

I wouldn't trust the media even if I owned them. :biggrin:
 
  • #545
I'm not sure about blaming "the media" as if it's a single entity. News is very decentralized these days, and unless you insist on only watching cable TV news, it's possible to read about coverage on almost anything you want. And basically they are damned if they do, damned if they don't. If they do major coverage of something, they get blamed for "playing it up", if they don't cover it they are accused of "burying" it. I think the truth is more boring: TV news plays to the ratings, so they cover what people want to hear about, which means stories people get hooked on--like Caylee Anthony. Ratings go up covering Jodi Arias? More Jodi Arias coverage.
 
  • #546
I agree. But the media better start reading the comments under their articles. I have seen a sea change in the past year. Google this case and read the comments in newspapers across America. The same questions are asked...the same points are made.

The other side of the story...so to speak...is breaking through the media silence...breaking through the political silence.

No one wants to hurt feelings...but like a family that needs to heal...just one side cannot do all the hollering.
 
  • #547
  • #548
Hmm, I disagree on the comments of articles, sorry. I see a lot of ignorance and hatred in them, especially when comments are linked to Facebook. I'd rather see those people channel that energy into working towards a solution peacefully than sitting on their PC trolling web site commentary or making hateful YouTube comments.
 
  • #549
The interviewer is almost apologetic...quite different from the way...other family members in OTHER cases...have been treated when interviewed by media. People see the difference.

I like the respectful treatment, but it should not differ from case to case.
 
  • #550
I think stmarysmead has a good idea about a national conversation. I have reservations about it, though, bc more often than not discussing differing opinions become taboo and people will suck up to whatever is the most politically correct opinion based on whom appears to be the leader. How do you get someone's honest opinion if they're too afraid of going against the majority or hurting someone else's feelings. We're all guilty of it. Think about it. How many times has someone told someone else they look nice when in all actuality they don't but you don't want to hurt their feelings? There's a few times I can think of when I wish I had the courage to say bishhh whatchu wearin' omg you look atrocious. :floorlaugh: - please, just a little levity. ;) But kwim? How can it be achieved?
 
  • #551
Hmm, I disagree on the comments of articles, sorry. I see a lot of ignorance and hatred in them, especially when comments are linked to Facebook. I'd rather see those people channel that energy into working towards a solution peacefully than sitting on their PC trolling web site commentary or making hateful YouTube comments.


There is anger because many sense a great double standard. They do not know where or how to channel their anger because they are not permitted to tell THEIR side of the "national story." If they try, they are branded, ridiculed, and shut down.
 
  • #552
His sister just looks gutted.

I am not quick to condemn a family for the actions of one member, having encountered several 'evil' people who come from perfectly nice homes - much 'nicer' and more nurturing than mine ever was. Sometimes, there's just no accounting for what path folks choose to take, except it comes down to free will and something severely lacking inside them.
 
  • #553
I just want to point out that James Edwards' sister looks absolutely destroyed by her brother's actions. From things she said, she tried her hardest to get him on the right track. I can't help but feel bad for her. She looks like she's been crying nonstop. I'm not taking away from Chris Lane's family saying that, as I'm sure they're absolutely destroyed as well, but I'm attempting to point out these 3 idiots tore up many more people's lives than just their random target.
 
  • #554
Jinx Ausgirl.
 
  • #555
I'm not sure about blaming "the media" as if it's a single entity. News is very decentralized these days, and unless you insist on only watching cable TV news, it's possible to read about coverage on almost anything you want. And basically they are damned if they do, damned if they don't. If they do major coverage of something, they get blamed for "playing it up", if they don't cover it they are accused of "burying" it. I think the truth is more boring: TV news plays to the ratings, so they cover what people want to hear about, which means stories people get hooked on--like Caylee Anthony. Ratings go up covering Jodi Arias? More Jodi Arias coverage.

I think when it comes to the mainstream media, it's very centralized. The entire MSM in this country is owned by a few corporations. There are sources like blogs, independent publications and news organizations that will report on many different issues, but when it comes to the MSM media, they do tend to all report on the same things. After all, if a case/story is bringing in high ratings for one media outlet, then it would most likely do the same for any others. The MSM might not be a single entity, but it's all very connected. Local news stations are affiliates of national ones, for example.

ETA: Also, when it comes to exposure for cases, people want the MSM attention. I've seen cases that are getting lots of social media attention, but people are still begging for the MSM to talk about it.
 
  • #556
I think stmarysmead has a good idea about a national conversation. I have reservations about it, though, bc more often than not discussing differing opinions become taboo and people will suck up to whatever is the most politically correct opinion based on whom appears to be the leader. How do you get someone's honest opinion if they're too afraid of going against the majority or hurting someone else's feelings. We're all guilty of it. Think about it. How many times has someone told someone else they look nice when in all actuality they don't but you don't want to hurt their feelings? There's a few times I can think of when I wish I had the courage to say bishhh whatchu wearin' omg you look atrocious. :floorlaugh: - please, just a little levity. ;) But kwim? How can it be achieved?

Love. I have a "family"of many skin hues. We do not always agree. But we talk about EVERYTHING. Because we love, we trust. So we can disagree...in harmony.

Political correctness did no one any favor. If we cannot talk freely, we cannot be close, cannot understand each other. Imagine if politicans gave your sister a horn...and every time you tried to explain your hurts, fears, anxities, she got to blow that horn in your face to shut you up. Would you ever resolve anything? Would she REALLY win...or just alienate you further ? That IMO...is the fallacy of political correctness.
 
  • #557
Love. I have a "family"of many skin hues. We do not always agree. But we talk about EVERYTHING. Because we love, we trust. So we can disagree...in harmony.

Political correctness did no one any favor. If we cannot talk freely, we cannot be close, cannot understand each other. Imagine if politicans gave your sister a horn...and every time you tried to explain your hurts, fears, anxities, she got to blow that horn in your face to shut you up. Would you ever resolve anything? Would she REALLY win...or just alienate you further ? That IMO...is the fallacy of political correctness.

That is so very true. Definitely!
 
  • #558
Get outta my head, JG. ;)

I have to say, Chris' death has hit the local community pretty hard. People are just stunned, crimes like this are pretty alien to most here. Talking to people in the neighborhood .. the community's grief is palpable.

Chris Lane was everything we admire most. Smart, sporty and a go-getter, and with all that also a really good human being.

It's easier to talk around that grief than about it. We lost one of our best and brightest, to something most of us can't really understand - I don't mind speaking generally there, it's just my impression from the people I'm talking to.
 
  • #559
Get outta my head, JG. ;)

I have to say, Chris' death has hit the local community pretty hard. People are just stunned, crimes like this are pretty alien to most here. Talking to people in the neighborhood .. the community's grief is palpable.

Chris Lane was everything we admire most. Smart, sporty and a go-getter, and with all that also a really good human being.

It's easier to talk around that grief than about it. We lost one of our best and brightest, to something most of us can't really understand - I don't mind speaking generally there, it's just my impression from the people I'm talking to.

You are all in our prayers. so many of us understand.

The media quickly forgot Eve Carson, a lovely young girl, Senior Class President of UNiversity of North Carolina..taken from her home by three thugs, taken to ATMsto get money, shot literally in the street while she begged them to pray with her. There was no coverage of the trial, no marches, no comments from politicans. Her family grieved and disappeared.

There are no murals, she is not considered an "icon." I guess her death wasn't a media cash cow.


http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_...nt-wanted-to-pray-before-murder-says-witness/
 
  • #560
Did anyone watch that full video? I can't believe I stopped it about halfway through, I couldn't take it anymore bc she seemed like she was reading answers someone else was giving her. She said they've felt racism before, that could be a reason for his racist tweets. Felt racism? I wonder how many people felt racism when they read his tweets everyday? I know I most definitely look at James Edwards like he's a seriously demented racist person. I can only hope he learns something from this sitting in jail but sadly I'm not so sure that'll happen.
 

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