GUILTY OK - Colleen Hufford, 54, decapitated, coworker injured, Moore, 24 Sept 2014

[oh_gal]

Haven't read through all pages yet, but do we know why he was fired?

 

[oceanblueeyes]

From what I have read his firing was even over him arguing with others about Muslim religion and trying to convert them.

So I do think his extremist views sparked the beheading of this innocent woman. If it was workplace violence then stabbing her would have been enough to cause her death. The beheading was due to his ideology imo.

And this isn't the first time Amercian Muslims have murdered other innocent citizens in the US. When I was searching for more information about this suspect I also found a case I had never heard about before.

It happened back in 1972-1974 in San Francisco. 71 white people were murdered by 5 Muslims. They believe there were even more murders but could only tie them to 71. I was shocked and dismayed to find about this case. I have always kept up with the National news yet this killing spree seem to have been swept under the rug by the national media. People have even wanted to make documentaries about it but no filmmaker will touch it.

For those who are interested it is called the 'Zebra Killings' and is one of the highest death counts for serial killers in our history. Some of the defenseless victims were attacked and dismembered with a machete.

When the suspects were finally arrested the Nation of Islam paid for their defense.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/775061/posts

So this is certainly not the first time a person of Muslim faith has murdered for the 'cause.'

 

[Elley Mae]

Mohammed says Nolen attended services where sermons were delivered against beheadings like those committed by Islamic State of Iraq and Syria, or ISIS, militants.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/alton-nolen-oklahoma-beheading-suspect-described-as-a-little-odd/

IDK Maybe it's just me but honestly what church (insert any religion) has to talk or teach it's parishioners not to behead, seriously this is what they gather to teach? I don't need anyone to tell me what they are about, they speak for themselves. Sometimes they should shut up. Saying that we deliver sermons against beheadings, sure right. jmo idk

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Pretty good Daily Mail synopsis, lots of pictures plus 3 links and a video:

FBI probes conversion to Islam of fired store-worker who BEHEADED female co-worker
and stabbed another woman before being shot by hero boss who was part-time police officer

'Mr. Vaughan, who serves as CEO of Vaughan Foods, was at work and when he was alerted that a man was attacking employees with a knife, Mark didn't hesitate. He quickly responded.

'Mark put an end to the threat by shooting the suspect and saving the life of a second victim who was being actively attacked by the suspect.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2770140/Police-chase-shooting-Oklahoma.html#ixzz3EcO9ZN7U
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Thank God Mr. Vaughan was there to protect them and had his firearm with him while he was at the plant.

He is a true hero in every sense of the word. If he hadn't been there that day more innocent lives would have been lost.

 

[Elley Mae]

Oklahoma beheading: Suspect should have been in prison longer, prosecutors say

Cleveland County District Attorney Greg Mashburn said Nolen’s quick release from prison came because his drug crime was considered a nonviolent offense.

http://newsok.com/suspect-in-moore-...prison-longer-prosecutors-say/article/5346475
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Panel blasts Eric Holder for acting on his own, OKs less time for nonviolent drug crimes

The amendment now goes to Congress, which has 180 days to make any changes. If lawmakers do nothing, the resolution will become effective Nov. 1.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news...lder-for-acting-on-his-own-oks-less/?page=all
Thursday, April 10, 2014

 

[gitana1]

Has he been trained in Syria or Iraq? IDK but it seems unlikely assuming he's not been there and only read or were told about beheadings, how he could have been able to perform one by himself with no "training" at all?

No training is needed. A mentally ill man beheaded a fellow passenger on a greyhound bus in Canada some years back. (and he's now free, btw. Way to go, Canada). a man did it to his son last year, I think. Jori Lirette is the child.

 

[Mitsana]

From what I have read his firing was even over him arguing with others about Muslim religion and trying to convert them.

So I do think his extremist views sparked the beheading of this innocent woman. If it was workplace violence then stabbing her would have been enough to cause her death. The beheading was due to his ideology imo.

And this isn't the first time Amercian Muslims have murdered other innocent citizens in the US. When I was searching for more information about this suspect I also found a case I had never heard about before.
...
So this is certainly not the first time a person of Muslim faith has murdered for the 'cause.'

There was a jihadist-motivated serial killer running around killing people just a few months ago...
http://www.nj.com/essex/index.ssf/2...on_teens_murder_was_vengeance_against_us.html

Thread on one of the victims:
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...dan-Tevlin/page6&highlight=Ali+Muhammad+Brown

That said, I think that very disaffected people often look around for a cause/religion/ideology to make a clean break with their depressing circumstances. Some of these end up as religious converts, some embrace other movements, and sometimes they create their own alternative ideology. Some who are most disaffected/violence-prone/psychologically-challenged end up killing people justified by their various ideological frameworks. In addition to jihadists, consider the unibomber, Timothy McVeigh, Weathermen, Black Panthers, KKK, neo-Nazis, etc.

In the relatively recent past, in the U.S. we’ve seen the Sikh temple shooting by a white supremacist, Neo-Nazi shootings of Jews in Oberlin Park, Police officers shot in LA by anti-government crazies, and who knows why Eric Frein staked out the state police barracks.

There probably is more jihadist activity lately, because ISIS's PR campaign has gotten a lot of press, and impressionable people who are predisposed to such violence are influenced by it. But there will always be disaffected people at risk who will find some justification and outlet for their violence.

 

[costalpilot]

Do we definitively know this was his motivation? Seems sort of early in the game to make such a loaded assertion.

its always going to be too early for some people to face facts....it took the end of a war and the deaths of 45 million people for 1930's "progressives" to understand the true nature of Adolph Hitler.

http://www.truthrevolt.org/news/bre...srael-fired-after-argument-over-stoning-women

 

[costalpilot]

What does Christian haters mean?

according to the language I was taught it would mean people who hate Christians. [modsnip]

 

[Oblio]

Mohammed says Nolen attended services where sermons were delivered against beheadings like those committed by Islamic State of Iraq and Syria, or ISIS, militants.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/alton-nolen-oklahoma-beheading-suspect-described-as-a-little-odd/

IDK Maybe it's just me but honestly what church (insert any religion) has to talk or teach it's parishioners not to behead, seriously this is what they gather to teach? I don't need anyone to tell me what they are about, they speak for themselves. Sometimes they should shut up. Saying that we deliver sermons against beheadings, sure right. jmo idk

One that is continually being hijacked by extremists.

I'm sure more than one church gave a sermon about how taking innocent lives is not a representation of christianity after the OKC bombings.

 

[Oblio]

There was a jihadist-motivated serial killer running around killing people just a few months ago...
http://www.nj.com/essex/index.ssf/2...on_teens_murder_was_vengeance_against_us.html

Thread on one of the victims:
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...dan-Tevlin/page6&highlight=Ali+Muhammad+Brown

That said, I think that very disaffected people often look around for a cause/religion/ideology to make a clean break with their depressing circumstances. Some of these end up as religious converts, some embrace other movements, and sometimes they create their own alternative ideology. Some who are most disaffected/violence-prone/psychologically-challenged end up killing people justified by their various ideological frameworks. In addition to jihadists, consider the unibomber, Timothy McVeigh, Weathermen, Black Panthers, KKK, neo-Nazis, etc.

In the relatively recent past, in the U.S. we’ve seen the Sikh temple shooting by a white supremacist, Neo-Nazi shootings of Jews in Oberlin Park, Police officers shot in LA by anti-government crazies, and who knows why Eric Frein staked out the state police barracks.

There probably is more jihadist activity lately, because ISIS's PR campaign has gotten a lot of press, and impressionable people who are predisposed to such violence are influenced by it. But there will always be disaffected people at risk who will find some justification and outlet for their violence.

I wish I could articulate this as well as you just did. This is what I mean. I don't think it was his conversion to (radical)Islam that made him a murderer. I think the seed was there, waiting to sprout. His new found "religion" provided the water. If it wasn't for Jihad this time, it would have been for some other reason another time. And it could have been worse. I imagine beheading folks is a slightly less efficient process than bombing or shooting semi-automatic weapons.

 

[gitana1]

I wish I could articulate this as well as you just did. This is what I mean. I don't think it was his conversion to (radical)Islam that made him a murderer. I think the seed was there, waiting to sprout. His new found "religion" provided the water. If it wasn't for Jihad this time, it would have been for some other reason another time. And it could have been worse. I imagine beheading folks is a slightly less efficient process than bombing or shooting semi-automatic weapons.

I do agree to a large degree. However, I think it is naive not to accept and understand the implications of the fact that the very direct message of fundamentalist Islam today is to attack and behead and otherwise kill westerners, Christians, non-Muslims. That is a very specific message/command. Its not of one small cult or one crazy personality. It is the message of a massive movement.

And so people who are on the edge but might not have been otherwise pushed off have clear directives that will definitely push them off that edge. The extremists are inciting the mentally ill, the alienated, the angry and the fanatics. They are directly commissioning the kind of "work" seen here in Oklahoma.

 

[al66pine]

Has he been trained in Syria or Iraq? IDK but it seems unlikely assuming he's not been there and only read or were told about beheadings,
how he could have been able to perform one by himself with no "training" at all?

bbm

www.
youtube.
etc.

 

[catatonia]

Sure, but I would guess there's a difference between watching (passive) and performing (active) a beheading. But you're right, that's one possibility, which would explain where he got the knowledge from.

 

[katydid23]

It's not the religion; it's the person. The media wants to play on that...and Christian haters and other anti-religion get to use it to smash what they hate...it's ridiculous...all the way around...the man killed someone and stabbed someone else...he's evil...and it had little to do with his recent change to Islam...why did he convert in the first place...was he preoccupied? Was there something going on internally? Obviously...religion no.

BBM

Normally, I would agree with you. Crazy people often hijack religious notions and conflate them with their own delusions and act out violently in the name of the Lord, or Allah or Satan.

But in this case, I see this killer as more of a JIhadist, than just a crazy person. I think he has taken ISIS to heart and acted out in the name of this violent extremist form of that religion. jmo

 

[katydid23]

I wish I could articulate this as well as you just did. This is what I mean. I don't think it was his conversion to (radical)Islam that made him a murderer. I think the seed was there, waiting to sprout. His new found "religion" provided the water. If it wasn't for Jihad this time, it would have been for some other reason another time. And it could have been worse. I imagine beheading folks is a slightly less efficient process than bombing or shooting semi-automatic weapons.

The problem with that theory, imo, is the fact that there are 40,000 of these violent Jihadists, creating their own nation. They behead anyone, women, children, the elderly, who stand in their way. So we cannot just write it off as a lone crazy person who just happened to spout jihadist teachings. This is bigger than that, unfortunately. :cow:

 

[gitana1]

The problem with that theory, imo, is the fact that there are 40,000 of these violent Jihadists, creating their own nation. They behead anyone, women, children, the elderly, who stand in their way. So we cannot just write it off as a lone crazy person who just happened to spout jihadist teachings. This is bigger than that, unfortunately. :cow:

I keep seeing the statement that ISIS has beheaded children, but the only media reports of that that I've found have been The Inquistr. Any legitimate news agency reporting that?

 

[krimekat]

What does Christian haters mean?

that's like an oxymoron right?

 

[krimekat]

I keep seeing the statement that ISIS has beheaded children, but the only media reports of that that I've found have been The Inquistr. Any legitimate news agency reporting that?

dailymail

 

[krimekat]

don't bring a knife to a gun fight is all I can say -- be aware & be prepared NOT like Colleen Hufford & Traci Johnson

thank you Officer Mark Vaughan