OK OK - Jamison Family; Truck, IDs and Dog Found Abandoned, 8 Oct 2009 - #10

[MELANAISE]

Directly east and little south about 30 miles is Heavener. Poteau Mountain stands behind town, to the side of it is Round Mountain and behind that is Middle Mountain. At the peak of that mountain on extremely bad dirt roads, are a group of homes, very big and spacious, inhabited by men with short hair and very good condition. There are signs of children such as toys and swings. The women tend to hide and the men will chase you down on atvs and four wheel drive vehicles. That is where I think the Jamisons are located

I was just curious as to why you thought the Jamison's specifically could be in this place- other than the oddity of both. Anything else you could tell about this area?

 

[Soulmagent]

Where did you get October 10? This says September 28. I was just wondering if I missed something. Do you think the 2 cases are related in some way?

http://newsok.com/ongoing/carina-saunders

No , I dont think they are related.Yet somehow the Mexican mafia thing sounds less funny to me.

I got the date of October 10 from an article posted on her thread.

 

[little726]

http://www.koco.com/video/30041653/detail.html

Just gets worse and worse.

The Jamison's were last seen on Oct 9th, 09 and Carina was reported missing oct 10, 11. 10/10/11.

The reported witnessing of the murder of Carina ,makes me wonder about the picture of Madyson and what she was seeing when the photo was snapped.

Jimmy Massey was arrested last month, along with his buddies, for drugs:

http://www.oscn.net/applications/os...=caseGeneral&casemasterID=2805357&db=Oklahoma

It does make me wonder if he had something to do with the missing Jamison family.

 

[wfgodot]

Second person arrested in Carina Saunders case:

OK - Oklahoma City, 10 Oct 2011 -The mystery of who killed Carina Sauders remains

 

[JackAMW]

If they want to hide in Oklahoma, that would be the place and I just feel it. There is something going on up on that mountain. Three story huge homes with dirt trail access, rugged dirt roads that will eat cars because of erosion, reminds me of what the Jamisons were looking for.
I cannot go into much details as to protect others lives that still live in that area and the mods here seem to want to know everything about me. Due to the dangers that still lurk there I have to be careful for others sake and not give out too much, this is not play games.
I can say this much, I found the place, looking for land to buy with a gas well on it. I had left the real estate office with the info, went to Middle Mountain looking for the well and land but wound up finding that place. As I drove by, I saw a man and woman gather some kids and hide, later I was chased down by a guy on an atv asking what I was doing, I opened my door enough let him know I would shoot him if I had problems. I told him what I was doing and he said OK. I went back to the real estate office and the real estate lady met me telling me that the owners of the land had just removed the listing of it for sale. They lived in Texas and they cancelled about 30 minutes after my meeting with the man on the mountain.
Like I said, good place to hide and someone is

 

[Liora]

Jimmy Massey was arrested last month, along with his buddies, for drugs:

http://www.oscn.net/applications/os...=caseGeneral&casemasterID=2805357&db=Oklahoma

It does make me wonder if he had something to do with the missing Jamison family.

Is he any relation to R. Massey the slum lord of Wilburton?

 

[little726]

Is he any relation to R. Massey the slum lord of Wilburton?

I don't know, Liora. I did notice the Masseys own a few parcels of land in Latimer county.

 

[SheWhoMustNotBeNamed]

Bumping to move to Missing But Not Forgotten.

 

[pittsburghgirl]

If they want to hide in Oklahoma, that would be the place and I just feel it. There is something going on up on that mountain. Three story huge homes with dirt trail access, rugged dirt roads that will eat cars because of erosion, reminds me of what the Jamisons were looking for.
I cannot go into much details as to protect others lives that still live in that area and the mods here seem to want to know everything about me. Due to the dangers that still lurk there I have to be careful for others sake and not give out too much, this is not play games.
I can say this much, I found the place, looking for land to buy with a gas well on it. I had left the real estate office with the info, went to Middle Mountain looking for the well and land but wound up finding that place. As I drove by, I saw a man and woman gather some kids and hide, later I was chased down by a guy on an atv asking what I was doing, I opened my door enough let him know I would shoot him if I had problems. I told him what I was doing and he said OK. I went back to the real estate office and the real estate lady met me telling me that the owners of the land had just removed the listing of it for sale. They lived in Texas and they cancelled about 30 minutes after my meeting with the man on the mountain.
Like I said, good place to hide and someone is

I sure hope the family is up there, alive and well.

But why leave the vehicle, money and the dog?

 

[Oriah]

Bumping again...

http://missingkids.com/missingkids/...seNum=1134094&orgPrefix=NCMC&searchLang=en_US

 

[JackAMW]

Well, not sure how alive or well they might be if they are located there. It just all rings a bell as to how familiar it seems to my experience and what could have happened, I am not the type to blink or shy away if I have to pop a cap in someone, however what about the Jamisons, he had his family with him, weak point to exploit by someone that wanted to do something to them. Take the child and both parents submit. Looking for land, they are stopped by a short haired man asking what they are doing there. Perhaps wanting to hide meth lab, pot field, gold mine or whatever his bag was, takes the family at gunpoint, perhaps while walking the land. That land is too close to the road so that buzzards could be seen or the smell of the bodies would attract attention. Where do you get rid of the bodies, back in the desolute mountains with rather easy access? Where is that? Either back to Wilburton where Robbers Cave Park is and a lot of people, south to the Winding Stairs and the Kiamichis,better to hide but further to go and greater chance of discovery, or the best choice, to Middle Mountain or Poteau Mountain, which can be seen clearly from Red Oak, where would you go?
Now if there were a compound of Elohim types or whatever, there is a structure that has to be obeyed in the chain of command, so take the family back to the others that might be in cahoots with whatever endeavor they may be involved with, pass judgment of what to do with them and there you go. If there are women at the compound, the the female instinct might protect the child, but not so much the man and wife, so at least the child may still be alive

 

[Oriah]

Well, not sure how alive or well they might be if they are located there. It just all rings a bell as to how familiar it seems to my experience and what could have happened, I am not the type to blink or shy away if I have to pop a cap in someone, however what about the Jamisons, he had his family with him, weak point to exploit by someone that wanted to do something to them. Take the child and both parents submit. Looking for land, they are stopped by a short haired man asking what they are doing there. Perhaps wanting to hide meth lab, pot field, gold mine or whatever his bag was, takes the family at gunpoint, perhaps while walking the land. That land is too close to the road so that buzzards could be seen or the smell of the bodies would attract attention. Where do you get rid of the bodies, back in the desolute mountains with rather easy access? Where is that? Either back to Wilburton where Robbers Cave Park is and a lot of people, south to the Winding Stairs and the Kiamichis,better to hide but further to go and greater chance of discovery, or the best choice, to Middle Mountain or Poteau Mountain, which can be seen clearly from Red Oak, where would you go?
Now if there were a compound of Elohim types or whatever, there is a structure that has to be obeyed in the chain of command, so take the family back to the others that might be in cahoots with whatever endeavor they may be involved with, pass judgment of what to do with them and there you go. If there are women at the compound, the the female instinct might protect the child, but not so much the man and wife, so at least the child may still be alive

I'm kind of confused. Could you explain more about the short haired man? I have never heard anything about that.
And the land the Jamison's were allegedly looking at- the property is not really close to a main road, and there are tons of places surrounding that would 'hide' a body- especially in the fall.

TIA if you could explain more.

 

[JackAMW]

OK, long haired man, with a beard, no beard, short hair , no hair, whatever. The guy that came after me had short hair, as has everyone else I have seen there.
That area can be seen from the road and someone lives not too far away, in the fall it is easier to see in the woods there as the leaves have fallen and the underbrush is dead, sorry, it is not easy to hide a body in fall in that area, I have tracked way too many up there and that fish dont swim. Buzzards will lead you to bodies from four miles away and the smell can cover a very large area, to many people in that area, because of travel from Poteau to McAlester

 

[Oriah]

OK, long haired man, with a beard, no beard, short hair , no hair, whatever. The guy that came after me had short hair, as has everyone else I have seen there.
That area can be seen from the road and someone lives not too far away, in the fall it is easier to see in the woods there as the leaves have fallen and the underbrush is dead, sorry, it is not easy to hide a body in fall in that area, I have tracked way too many up there and that fish dont swim. Buzzards will lead you to bodies from four miles away and the smell can cover a very large area, to many people in that area, because of travel from Poteau to McAlester

Jack, are you referring to the exact area that the Jamison's truck was located at, or a different area? I didn't notice a whole lot of traffic other than oil co traffic in the area and local traffic- and underbrush and foliage cover was pretty dense (at least, this past Oct it was. Weather has been weird everywhere, though. By December it was a soggy cold mess.)

Would you mind posting the coordinates of the area you are referring to (say, a 4 sq mile radius) so that I know if I am looking at the correct location? TIA so much. I think I may be looking at a different grid.

 

[JackAMW]

Oil company traffic and local traffic is good enough, I dont know the coordinances of Middle Mountain but it is not where the truck was found, about 30 miles east of truck location. Heavener is where Middle Mountain is
Very hard area to get into there but someone has and built several large homes in an extremely rugged area with little access, and short haired men will chase you down
The locations are in different locations, there are three locations total that for sure tie into the case, their home, Porum and Red Oak. Why act the way they did at their home? Paranoid of something. Why drive to Porum, eat and fill up with gas? They had contacts there. With a large drug bust in Porum, a town of 1000 or so, that narrows the field of why.
Why leave the truck at Red Oak with dog and money? Because they were snatched by someone, they were looking for land in desolate places and someone didn't like it.
Now did they go looking in Red Oak for the land or did they go further as indicated by gas guage, amount of gas purchased at Porum, mathmatics and so on, was captured there at whatever location they went to and the vehicle brought back to Red Oak?
If so, the gas used would indicate 70 miles more that had been used. That would make Middle Mountain viable as distance traveled.
With land on Middle Mountain being sold at that time and still is, check out real estates offices in Poteau, it would be very possible that they went up on that mountain and never came back. Bodies are a lot easier to get rid of up there with no one to notice.
Some of the land for sale on Middle Mountain has gas wells on them and partial mineral and gas royalties are paid on them, the land I was looking at paid $200 a month and would be very enticing to anyone lookng for land.
Yep, I think that just may be what happened

 

[JackAMW]

http://www.mountainzone.com/mountains/detail.asp?fid=1877156

Middle Mountain

 

[JackAMW]

http://www.mountainzone.com/mountains/detail.asp?fid=1877156#mw

One of the houses and something else on Middle Mountain, this is the area that I was chased by the guy on the ATV, blow it up and move the map north to see the homes

 

[Oriah]

Hmm, I think I'm looking at the area you're talking about now on USGS.

Are you saying that you think the Jamison's were kidnapped? And someone else moved their vehicle after? Or that they went to both locations and then were picked up and relocated to Middle Mnt?

 

[JackAMW]

Most likely kidnapped with money and dog still in truck, vehicle taken to location found but anything is possible

 

[Oriah]

Most likely kidnapped with money and dog still in truck, vehicle taken to location found but anything is possible

Why do you think the money wouldn't have been taken along with the Jamisons? Or the dog?